A new CF, an old vision (3)

[nyj]

You've of course, always had the right to dislike them. The difference is that now you have the right to express that openly. And you seem to be using that right to object to having that right.

Heh. Anyone that knows me knows that I've always been vocal about expressing my opinions, and doing it openly. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to me. Now I'm offended.

 

[Alice the Sister]

What would Jesus do?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Funny, people whining about secular CF, as long as Christians are not held as the highest class on the forum they will not accept it!

Then it should never had been named CHRIST-ianForums.

 

[Ramona]

 

[Blackness]

Then it should never had been named CHRIST-ianForums.

HA however holding Christians as some higher class is disgusting, its Christian based.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I have no problem with full accountability of staff. Those that know me know I tried to keep things on the level and fair when I "served my time". As for the membership taking the reigns, I also have no problem with that. Except for the fact that IMO Erwin made the same exact mistake he made the last time, but just in the opposite direction. Last time, the power was in the hands of a few, and no one could stop them. This time, the power is in the hands of cliques (i.e., voting blocs), and no one will be able to stop them ... unless they want to go all political.

So, where the politics used to be in the staff fora (and trust me, it was ALL political), they'll be board wide now ...and everyone will be effected.

From what I've seen, you seem to be a solid and level fellow. I hope you're not planning on bailing, too... there's always a need for one more reasonable person.

But, I think that you give the cliques credit for more power than they actually wield. Sure, sometimes, they'll have their way.

But in the end, they always crumble. Backbiting, in-fighting, and plays for power will always keep them mostly in check. They self-destruct.

 

[porterross]

So, where the politics used to be in the staff fora (and trust me, it was ALL political), they'll be board wide now ...and everyone will be effected.

Exactly. I've seen it happen on other sites and their breakaway sites and their breakaway sites and, you get the picture.

 

[BelindaP]

Keep making things up about me as you go along all of you. You just loose any credibility you had...
BTW BelindaP how do you know who I do or do not hold in contempt.
You caught me, the letter "y" does something to soothe my anger....

Your posts drip with contempt. That's how.

It could be untintentional, but if so, you should listen to the advice of the Christians around you. Your posts are coming across as hateful and mean. Consider some self-editing.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

I have no problem with full accountability of staff. Those that know me know I tried to keep things on the level and fair when I "served my time". As for the membership taking the reigns, I also have no problem with that. Except for the fact that IMO Erwin made the same exact mistake he made the last time, but just in the opposite direction. Last time, the power was in the hands of a few, and no one could stop them. This time, the power is in the hands of cliques (i.e., voting blocs), and no one will be able to stop them ... unless they want to go all political.

So, where the politics used to be in the staff fora (and trust me, it was ALL political), they'll be board wide now ...and everyone will be effected.

Actually Tom you and I have the same concerns. Tyranny of the majority never works. A community run site will have to have mechanisms to insure two things. One, that tyranny of the majority doesn't happen and Two, that discussions don't go on endlessly so that nothing gets done at all. Both are very possible and even co-exist and both destroy communities. The proposed changes, without modification, cannot work.

 

[justanobserver]

What would Jesus do?

He probably took His phone off the hook , told the head angel to hold all His calls and went for a long walk after reading some of the posts.

 

[Blackness]

I wonder how this will affect the amount of users that go on this forum.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

He probably took His phone off the hook , told the head angel to hold all His calls and went for a long walk after reading some of the posts.

I got that one beat. I told someone this guy had my vote for President then they tell me he is dead!!! EGADS!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/t5645463-us-senate-to-open-with-hindu-prayers.html

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
If he gets on the Presidential ballot box, he has my vote!!!

If they can ressurrect him from the dead, I suppose that would impress me as well.

 

[TheBear]

How could what the majority of a community wants, be called "tyranny"? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[nyj]

From what I've seen, you seem to be a solid and level fellow. I hope you're not planning on bailing, too... there's always a need for one more reasonable person.

My posting was already limited before the changes.

But, I think that you give the cliques credit for more power than they actually wield. Sure, sometimes, they'll have their way.

But in the end, they always crumble. Backbiting, in-fighting, and plays for power will always keep them mostly in check. They self-destruct.

Well, I'll admit the cliques are a "worst case scenario", but I was part of the days of the Interdenominational Debate Discussion Forum at CF, and I know just how heated and vitriolic things can get. I would not be surprised if honest people get displaced from fora they have been posting at for years because some faction gets a bug in their butt and decides to rewrite the forum rules to their own liking. Having some sort of protection against pure mob rule would have been nice. I just don't see that in Erwin's plan.

It's his site, he can do as he pleases. All I can do is stop sending him money if I don't like what I see.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

I wonder how this will affect the amount of users that go on this forum.

The numbers will dip, possibly sharply, then will return to near-normal levels with a couple of months.

Unless one of these splinter boards foments a board war. In that event, CF will actually gain members.

 

[Beastt]

Heh. Anyone that knows me knows that I've always been vocal about expressing my opinions, and doing it openly. Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to me. Now I'm offended.

Good, good. Glad to hear it. So perhaps you'll begin to understand why others would like to have the opportunity to be vocal as well.

As for being offended, I'm glad for that too. I strongly support anyone's right to be offended anytime they want. What I don't support is the idea that by being offended you're given the right to control others.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

How could what the majority of a community wants, be called "tyranny"? That doesn't even make sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Thought you'd know that one Bear.

 

[Stormy]

You guys understand that you are wasting your time in this thread.. right? Erwin has already made his decision.

Now the only thing left for you to decide is..

Should I stay? Or should I go?

Me? I am going to stay around and see what happens, but I am also looking for another CHRISTIAN forum. If anyone knows a place, please pm me. Thanks!

 

[Miracle Storm]

And here we have it. Miracle knows the will of God for CF. Your agenda is nothing more than your own interpretation of scripture, to which you are welcome, but it is no less valid than mine. Oddly enough and in the end you and I likely agree on less than a lot of the posters here. I think the only things we are likely to disagree on are this change and what Christian behavior looks like.


I have nothing to hide I was goinggoinggone and flesh99.

I wasn't talking about that, but I digress..

I have never meant to hide anything at all by the name changes. I am only trying to get you to see that spewing venom towards the unsaved, as you are doing in this thread, isn't going to bring any of them closer to Christ.

I am not spewing venom or hatred toward any of them. It is the new "vision" for CF that I am upset with. Not them. You interpret how you like, but again, you know not my heart. So I'm not worried.

In fact you are likely to be driving away. Grab your Bible, you like I have one handy, and look up Matthew 12:30 particularly the last part. I hold you no ill will Miracle. I only want to see Christians showing the love we are commanded to show.

I have been showing anger. Jesus got angry, I sure can too.
I hold you no ill will either Mark in fact, I considered you a friend. I can't believe you just barked up my tree like that. I am very upset with this backflip of CF and I am not going to go burry my head in the sand and act like I'm smelling roses.

I am teaching them to judge whether actions are loving or not and not the hearts and souls of others.

They do not know my heart nor my soul for my anger and the changes at this site.

I am not always a perfect Christian. My actions are not always those of a Christian. This object lesson was because my son was picking up a pretty nasty habit from the kids here in the neighborhood and I wanted to show him what the habit looked like in adults. It is the "If you don't this you aren't my friend" habit. This is what I see in your posts.

I don't know how you see that. But you are welcome to your opinions Mark. You know me and you know I am usually pretty chilled relaxed and cool with everyone and usually get the hug smilies out every other post. but right now I'm [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed! Again it's not at unbelievers it is at the "new vision"

By their fruits you will know them. I never said you are not a Christian. I said your actions are not like those we should display as Christians and there is a world of difference in those statements.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way, but I do not feel I have done anything wrong. In my anger I do not believe I have sinned.

I don't want you to stop objecting. I am not debating here to change people's minds. I like the changes but that doesn't matter at all. I am trying to get Christians to stop looking like jerks for all the world to see and little else.

Don't think I'm looking like a jerk, but again, people will see what they want to see.

I didn't realize how upset it would make her to be honest. If I had I would have never brought her over. But since I did I thought it would be a good illustration. Children know the difference between loving actions and hateful actions.

I did nothing hateful Mark and you should really stop saying that. You know it's not true.

Her reaction was enough to make me not give up trying to get people to disagree respectfully while this thread plays out.

I will not be around much longer anyways. I'm staying to make my objections well known. My 13 year old is beggin me to never log on this so called "christian forum" again.

I don't have anything to hide. Do you want to talk about me breaking staff confidence? Do you want to talk about me abusing my position while on staff? Do you want to talk about me losing my temper a couple of weeks ago on my website? Do you want to talk about how imperfect I am? You have no information of which I am afraid. Your empty threats are nothing more than ad hominem attacks. I welcome them though. I have changed a lot since you last interacted with me.

I don't want to talk about any of it. If I did I would have listed much myself. I am not out to "get" you or anyone else. You shouldn't have jumped on me as if I just crapped on your cat!

If you wish to bring up the past then you have my full permission to do. In fact if you will stop being hateful towards those who don't believe as you do and turn all of your venom on me then by all means start posting about my faults! Start right away!

Unbelievable Mark. I have not spewed any hatred and even through rough patches I never treated you wrongly and here you are making these statements toward me because I'm angry.
Man. If it's going to be like that, don't speak to me.

 

[nyj]

You guys understand that you are wasting your time in this thread.. right? Erwin has already made his decision.

Pretty much.