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Except none of what you posted is a vision. It is an idea of how to accomplish the vision of uniting all Christians. This is his new of how to do it. No-one is excluded unless they choose to be. Nothing in what he stated in either of those quotes qualifies as vision it is means. You are [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing about the means changing when what Erwin has stated is that he is using a different means to accomplish his ends. Pedantry won't work here. He stated clearly the vision is uniting all Christians, as it has been, and you are upset about his methods. The vision hasn't changed and it's nice to see you haven't either.Always trying to get your way. You got another petition up your sleeve somewhere?
Of course I didn't. He has said he was going back to the original vision which didn't say "as defined by the Nicene Creed" that was added later. Nice try though. Originally the NC wasn't used as the creed so you can't assert that the original vision, which is what Erwin is claiming to be bringing back, had anything to do with the Nicene Creed. Another creed was put into place when a need for it was decided. Before that it was just uniting all Christians. So you are upset Erwin didn't pick the point in time which you agree with and I understand that. But you cannot claim, with any validity, that he is not returning to the original vision as the NC was not part of CF at the time. You are picking and choosing posts, out of context, which appear to prove your point but ignoring the actual history. You are good at this game but failing this round because history shows you to be wrong. The vision of the site was restated for those posts after the NC had been added. It was not used in the original vision. Good try though Steve. Sorry you couldn't manage Steve's playhouse with your petition. You didn't answer my question about having another petition though. Are you planning one? Your last one did wonders for CF and I have forgotten to thank you since you took credit for the changes already over at UC.
It is not the vision that lines up with the point in history on which you have chosen to harp. The NC hasn't been around on CF since its inception. So your statement is provably false. You are just spiteful and angry that you didn't get your way. You happen to be good at using a point in time, as you have proved in this thread, to back your point but Erwin has been honest. He just isn't using the same point in time that you are using to define his vision for CF. For all we know it is a vision he never stated and got sidetracked by all the doctrinal bickering and people wanting to keep those filthy JWs and Mormons in their ghettos. I don't know and you quite frankly don't either. The vision, from the beginning, has been uniting all Christians as one body. At some point the term Christian was defined by a creed, then by another when the dirty heathens weren't kept out by the first. Prior to all that political nonsense there wasn't a creed in use. This is a return to a time prior to the one you have chosen.
Mark is right.
Mark is right.
The NC was not part of the original vision statement for CF. Erwin may have mistakenly referred to that in 2005, but there was a deeper magic before the dawn of time...
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