A new CF, an old vision (3)

[futuredoc]

Now this thread is really slowing down.

Its about time!

 

[Lisa0315]

All good things come to an end with one exception, our Lord Jesus who reigns forever and ever!

Lisa

 

[onajourney87]

Nice to see Erwin found his balls (whether the brief info he he has given is concerning or not).



It will be most interesting to find out more details on how rules will be wikified. (Wikipedia found out you can't have true "anyone edits anything they like whenever they like".... I'm assuming Erwin is up on social-web news and knows this.)

Obviously (?) there must be some sort of structures in place, otherwise there is nothing to keep any group (be it fundies, liberals, moderates, athiests, agnostics, muslims, JWs, etc) from gathering ~10k people (or bots...) and redefining the site as they see fit (depending on the group it could be hostile to Christians or hostile to non-Christians).

 

[drstevej]

I can't wait for the CF Wiki-Creed to get finished.

Or is that Wicca-Creed ???

 

[RestoreTheRiver]

I've just gone back and read the announcement again. What I overlooked the first time was the strong statement that it simply doesn't matter what members and staff think of the changes. The "new CF" will come to be regardless.

This is significant for me because the only reason I stayed five minutes past the announcement was that I believed the faith and values most of us share would turn the tide after all. I believed that all the discussion would make a difference.

Perhaps it still will, after all. But, going to the source, there is no reason to think so. The statement that it just doesn't matter what anyone else thinks is strongly made, and not open to interpretation.

So, since I do not choose to be a part of a forum where the modern misapplication of "tolerance" is a higher value than Scripture, where "well, this is what I believe" means more than the Creed, and where homosexual marrriage is condoned, this is goodbye.

I've interacted with many, many good people in my brief time here, and I will miss you. However, I cannot support, even by association, a forum that chooses to depart from The Faith.

Michael

 

[drstevej]

I've just gone back and read the announcement again. What I overlooked the first time was the strong statement that it simply doesn't matter what members and staff think of the changes. The "new CF" will come to be regardless.

This is significant for me because the only reason I stayed five minutes past the announcement was that I believed the faith and values most of us share would turn the tide after all. I believed that all the discussion would make a difference.

Perhaps it still will, after all. But, going to the source, there is no reason to think so. The statement that it just doesn't matter what anyone else thinks is strongly made, and not open to interpretation.

So, since I do not choose to be a part of a forum where the modern misapplication of "tolerance" is a higher value than Scripture, where "well, this is what I believe" means more than the Creed, and where homosexual marrriage is condoned, this is goodbye.

I've interacted with many, many good people in my brief time here, and I will miss you. However, I cannot support, even by association, a forum that chooses to depart from The Faith.

Michael

You make a cogent case.
Ichabod -- the Glory has Departed.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

I am hungry.

However, we are having pizza.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Steve,

You're just ticked off that you don't get to have this place turn into your little playhouse.

Newsflash: Some Christians don't need creeds or your (or anyone else's) affirmation that to tell them who they are. Belief in Christ and following his two commandments (the two commandments that for some reason some people in these threads seems incapable of following) is enough. Try it sometime.

Its about time CF tries it to. It might do some good.

 

[MariaRegina]

Erwin

Could you please gather all of the pronouncements and explanations
that you have made in these three threads into a new thread.

Thanks.

With all the negativity and political opinions that have been expressed
in these threads, I do not want to read through the thousands of posts
just to find a few nuggets that are worthwhile.
I am sure that others feel the same way.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

One thing I have learned from this thread and threads of the past, doctrinally (theology) is making me think more than ever. People are leaving due to being strict to their faith which I can understand but they are forgetting that God can still use them regardless. We should all take a long hard look at what things we consider to be important from God's perspective rather than man's perspective. We have to remember that the Bible is truth while doctrines are taught by man. I am a Christian FIRST. Secondary is the doctrines I rely on based on the Holy Spirit's conviction. We take our lead from Christ, who is the source of everything we do. Truth wounds through life's experiences as well as from the Word of God. When truth speaks, there is not burdens but rather "The truth shall make you free"; that is, free from the woes, the yokes, the burdens. To avoid causing others to stumble is itself strong incentive to walk by the Spirit. Biblically, Christians are no longer "in the flesh": "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him" (Rom 8:9). "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." Galatians 5:25.

My "faith icon" will be a Cross without any references to any denominations or non-denominations or whatever. I will continue stick with Reformed theology and Martin Luther's teachings however I need to examine more.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

nevermind. re-read your post Aria and I misunderstood....

Carry on.

 

[Letalis]

Its about time!

Heh, yeah.

I hope this gives us all some time relax and see what transpires.

 

[drstevej]

Steve,

You're just ticked off that you don't get to have this place turn into your little playhouse.

Newsflash: Some Christians don't need creeds or your (or anyone else's) affirmation that to tell them who they are. Belief in Christ and following his two commandments (the two commandments that for some reason some people in these threads seems incapable of following) is enough. Try it sometime.

Its about time CF tries it to. It might do some good.

You are wrong. I am saying it is hypocrisy for Erwin to call this the old vision if you examine HIS statements:

Old Erwin

October 15, 2005

The rules have worked well for the 4 years we have been online. The contents of the Nicene Creed were drafted by the early church fathers to delineate the fundmental doctrines of Christianity and to battle heresies and cults that were around at the time. It's not the Nicene Creed, but the doctrines that it sets out, which are all backed up by the verses referenced - we do not ask that members affirm the Creed itself in order to post in the Christian-only sections, but the verses that are referenced and the doctrines that come out of the verses.

New Erwin. Nicene Creed no longer relevant.

e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.

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Or his statement of October 2005

The moment CF drifts to become "too" conservative or "too" liberal, I believe that it has gone beyond it's vision, which is to bring
together all types of Christians, as defined by the Nicene Creed.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

nevermind. re-read your post Aria and I misunderstood....

Carry on.

http://http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=36472413&postcount=1

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Steve,
Maybe he realized the Creed was no longer uniting but rather driving apart and was doing more harm than good?

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

You are wrong. I am saying it is hypocrisy for Erwin to call this the old vision if you examine HIS statements:

Old Erwin

October 15, 2005

Quote:
The rules have worked well for the 4 years we have been online. The contents of the Nicene Creed were drafted by the early church fathers to delineate the fundmental doctrines of Christianity and to battle heresies and cults that were around at the time. It's not the Nicene Creed, but the doctrines that it sets out, which are all backed up by the verses referenced - we do not ask that members affirm the Creed itself in order to post in the Christian-only sections, but the verses that are referenced and the doctrines that come out of the verses.
New Erwin. Nicene Creed no longer relevant.

Quote:
e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.
================

Or his statement of October 2005

Except none of what you posted is a vision. It is an idea of how to accomplish the vision of uniting all Christians. This is his new of how to do it. No-one is excluded unless they choose to be. Nothing in what he stated in either of those quotes qualifies as vision it is means. You are [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing about the means changing when what Erwin has stated is that he is using a different means to accomplish his ends. Pedantry won't work here. He stated clearly the vision is uniting all Christians, as it has been, and you are upset about his methods. The vision hasn't changed and it's nice to see you haven't either. Always trying to get your way. You got another petition up your sleeve somewhere?

 

[Lisa0315]

Steve,

You're just ticked off that you don't get to have this place turn into your little playhouse.

Newsflash: Some Christians don't need creeds or your (or anyone else's) affirmation that to tell them who they are. Belief in Christ and following his two commandments (the two commandments that for some reason some people in these threads seems incapable of following) is enough. Try it sometime.

Its about time CF tries it to. It might do some good.

Whoa Cowgirl! Take a little bit of your own meds, okay? Again, lets let the Spirit of love and forgiveness be our guideline. It sounds as if you are rehashing something in the past, not that I know what it is or care, but that is what I am reading between the lines. So, let it go. He has the right to his opinion also.

I mean, if I am honest, as much as I like the IDEA, we are yet to see if it is truly the will of God and IF it will bring GLORY to His Name.

I mean, those who are opposing the complete opening of the doors here MAY have a valid point. It is not necesarily an agenda.

What IF this site becomes so liberal that the Word of God is unrecognizable? If that happens, I will also leave. I am counting on this being an opportunity to SPREAD the TRUTH rather than an opportunity for a perversion of it.

So, lets chill out, and let things unfold. It may work. It may not work. It is an experiment at this point.

Lisa

 

[MrJim]

Erwin

Could you please gather all of the pronouncements and explanations
that you have made in these three threads into a new thread.

Thanks.

With all the negativity and political opinions that have been expressed
in these threads, I do not want to read through the thousands of posts
just to find a few nuggets that are worthwhile.
I am sure that others feel the same way.

At least he could undo the disabled "find all posts" so they could be found.

But then when you're doing a drive-by who really wants to look at the blood spattered street?

 

[drstevej]

Except none of what you posted is a vision. It is an idea of how to accomplish the vision of uniting all Christians. This is his new of how to do it. No-one is excluded unless they choose to be. Nothing in what he stated in either of those quotes qualifies as vision it is means. You are [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing about the means changing when what Erwin has stated is that he is using a different means to accomplish his ends. Pedantry won't work here. He stated clearly the vision is uniting all Christians, as it has been, and you are upset about his methods. The vision hasn't changed and it's nice to see you haven't either. Always trying to get your way. You got another petition up your sleeve somewhere?

Did you miss this?

Or his statement of October 2005

Quote:
The moment CF drifts to become "too" conservative or "too" liberal, I believe that it has gone beyond it's vision, which is to bring
together all types of Christians, as defined by the Nicene Creed.

 

[MrJim]

Nice to see Erwin found his balls (whether the brief info he he has given is concerning or not).