A new CF, an old vision (3)

[CaDan]

Respectable Church? Those ones don't seem interested in having me be a member.
tulc(but what can you do?)

Yay! tulc is in da house!

 

[ProdicalChristian]

It also freely gives the non-Christian the power to deceive others with no idea they are being lied to and led astray.

If they are spiritually weak or spiritually ignorant, yes, they can be lead estray. All of us are born spiritual ignorant, not stupid.

 

[intricatic]

Respectable Church? Those ones don't seem interested in having me be a member.
tulc(but what can you do?)

The only Churches that would want you to be a member are democratized Churches that don't hold any authority apart from it's membership? That'd be a really sad thought, but it's not been my experience in the past.

 

[Brimshack]

No, but both things are ideologically based. CF's ideology has shifted in a massive way, therefore those who are left in the dark are leaving.

Ideologically based or not, CF has kicked no one out with this decision. If some disagree with it with sufficient force to leave, then it is their responsibility. To suggest that their decision to leave amounts to discrimination on the part of the forum is a bit beyond the pale. If the decision to leave is warranted, then so be it, but that is the decision of those leaving.

Note also that Atheists and other unbelievers have not taken positions of authority here and it isn't clear that they ever will. As someone already tried to point out they would have to be voted in. It isn't clear that we ever would be.

 

[CherriLaMode]

rip

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

The only Churches that would want you to be a member are democratized Churches that don't hold any authority apart from it's membership? That'd be a really sad thought, but it's not been my experience in the past.

You realize that you pretty much just insulted the majority of the Restoration Movement don't you? Think about your words before you speak.

 

[intricatic]

Ideologically based or not, CF has kicked no one out with this decision. If some disagree with it with sufficient force to leave, then it is their responsibility. To suggest that their decision to leave amounts to discrimination on the part of the forum is a bit beyond the pale. If the decision to leave is warranted, then so be it, but that is the decision of those leaving.

Note also that Atheists and other unbelievers have not taken positions of authority here and it isn't clear that they ever will. As someone already tried to point out they would have to be voted in. It isn't clear that we ever would be.

It's exactly as much a responsibility of those in charge as if a Church were to evict it's black members and lose the ideologically motivated white members as a result. Perhaps you're misunderstanding me here.

 

[Beastt]

The mods should have been out among the people they had power over, getting to know them and conversing with them. If they haven't been doing that, they weren't doing as good a job as they could have, IMO. If they have been doing that, I don't think everyone is just going to forget all they've contributed.

Exactly!

Hiding behind black curtains and steel doors isn't "doing a good job". If you have to hide your behaviors, it's because you know they're wrong and would never be accepted by the masses.

Using force to shove anyone down your chosen path isn't any way to help them to find the right path for themselves. If your path turns out to be the right path, they will join you soon enough. If not, perhaps you should be watching for a detour.

 

[intricatic]

You realize that you pretty much just insulted the majority of the Restoration Movement don't you? Think about your words before you speak.

The Restoration Movement? I have no idea what that is, but I still stand by my words 100%.

 

[CaDan]

Stealing a seebs' quote here:

"Without forgiveness, Christianity is absolutely horrifying."

 

[AngelDove1]

either way...................we are ALL children of thee Most High.....God

 

[Athene]

You of all people are well aware of the incivility in the OPEN forums. Now think of expanding that for the entire site!

But Suzy it won't be that way, it looks as though the plan is for people in forums to decide for themselves if they want debating to be allowed.

The idea would be that individual forums have membership that can form their own rules through a wiki/collaborative process. If the current congregational forum wants to ban debate, and if the members of that congregational forum vote to agree, then it is so. Why should a person from another section care? They can request and form their own forums for their own group. Moderation will be decentralised according to each forum/category - members that the forum members respect get voted to be their mods. Mods usually only have power to moderate their own forums. Reports go into forums that are subforums of these forums/categories. It's a massive restructure that I need to embark on.

The aim is to make this a true community where people have the power to ultimately moderate themselves.

 

[Blank123]

you know its amazing to me how certain members would cry, complain, pout, and bully because they didn't get their way on this site and now that Erwin has caved to their demands those members are looking at us as if there's something wrong with us for being upset and telling us 'if you don't like it you can leave'

can you say "hypocrisy"?

 

[Sabbie]

Just consider changing the name of the site... Christian Forums, Uniting All Christians As One Body.
If the melting pot of ideas is going to be dumped together then find a new name. Something more global and less specific to Christianity.
Would it not be ok to have Christian areas, Non-Christian areas and Mixed Areas for debate and for those that choose to be in those areas? Just curious.

 

[Beastt]

It's exactly as much a responsibility of those in charge as if a Church were to evict it's black members and lose the ideologically motivated white members as a result. Perhaps you're misunderstanding me here.

Is it not possible that you're misunderstanding the situation? You suggest a church evicting it's black members. No one is being evicted here. Some have chosen to leave. If you choose to leave because they chose to leave, then you have made a choice. The difference is that we now all have a choice. For some that seems frightening, others show a level of anxiety and many of us are breathing a sign of relief.

You and I now have an equal say -- an equal vote. Why is that so distasteful to you?

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Exactly!

Hiding behind black curtains and steel doors isn't "doing a good job". If you have to hide your behaviors, it's because you know they're wrong and would never be accepted by the masses.

Using force to shove anyone down your chosen path isn't any way to help them to find the right path for themselves. If your path turns out to be the right path, they will join you soon enough. If not, perhaps you should be watching for a detour.

There is a valid place for some privacy. It is not for everyday forum maintenance. If someone is having a problem with a stalker it might not be best to deal with the problem in the open but that is an exception not the rule. I can see privacy in a couple of extreme cases but for the most part your argument holds water. It is these exceptions the community will have to address as they arise.

 

[ProdicalChristian]

The only Churches that would want you to be a member are democratized Churches that don't hold any authority apart from it's membership? That'd be a really sad thought, but it's not been my experience in the past.

In a denomination, democracy is good in terms of the government in general however, I believe democracy can only work in a local church along WITH the denomination's rules and policies that are biblical.

CF is not a Church. We have Christians from all forms of backgrounds and beliefs. Democracy is a form of government in which a body governs itself, with every member exercising an equal voice in decisions affecting the life of the whole body. The monarchical form of government is represented by those churches following the episcopal order, that of government by bishops and we can't have there HERE.

I prefer a Church that has democracy and at the same time, in regards to purity of the Church, once ordained and installed, spiritual leaders assume full spiritual authority and democracy is no longer in affect.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

The Restoration Movement? I have no idea what that is, but I still stand by my words 100%.

Nevermind. Appeal to kindness is lost on you. I give up this line of argument. You win!

 

[intricatic]

Is it not possible that you're misunderstanding the situation? You suggest a church evicting it's black members. No one is being evicted here. Some have chosen to leave. If you choose to leave because they chose to leave, then you have made a choice. The difference is that we now all have a choice. For some that seems frightening, others show a level of anxiety and many of us are breathing a sign of relief.

You and I now have an equal say -- an equal vote. Why is that so distasteful to you?

I'm not focusing on the racist undertones specifically. I'm focusing on the members leaving of their own will because they dislike the policies instituted by the Church. It's distasteful to me because this is a Christian website.

 

[Blank123]

Just consider changing the name of the site... Christian Forums, Uniting All Christians As One Body.
If the melting pot of ideas is going to be dumped together then find a new name. Something more global and less specific to Christianity.
Would it not be ok to have Christian areas, Non-Christian areas and Mixed Areas for debate and for those that choose to be in those areas? Just curious.

why would you expect to find Christianity on "christianforums.com"?