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A new CF, an old vision (3)

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TheBear

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I do show God's love and interact with many unbelievers. There is a difference in interacting and being yoked together with them.
The definition of 'yoke', does not include free internet message boards, where one can come and go as they please, and where the staff are 100% volunteer. The phrase 'associate with' or 'socialize with', is more fitting.

Once more - this isn't a church, or a place where people get 'yoked together'. It's an internet message board.
 
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Because satan exists to promote chaos and hate. If I know anything at all about him, I know that much...
Aren't we stronger than "him"?
Why do so many Christians seem to think "satan/devil" has more power than those in Christ?
It is that mentality that has probably caused more Christians to leave the faith and even less to come into it.
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I think it is more accurate to say that nature constantly seeks balance, but rarely attains it. If attained, it is not maintained but for a brief time.
I would agree that balance is never perfect -- nothing in the universe is. But nature does still strive for a balance and left alone, will show a bias for balance rather than imbalance. So any assertion that God, (if there is a God), isn't favorable to a balance is unevidenced and poorly supported. The evidence demonstrates a preference for balance.

Not everyone comes to these forums for the purpose of debating. I debate on other boards. I came here for fellowship and restore.
I see no reason that you won't still have fellowship and everything else you've had here; it just won't be over-shadowed by dictatorial power-mongers. (Is that too blunt?)

The power of pushing people out is in the wording of the new policy--why else would some people be posting farewells due to the policy change?

Because they have chosen to leave. They're not being pushed out. Most who are leaving seem to be doing so as a protest for having their power and control reduced to that equal to everyone else. They seem to sense that they're more entitled to opinions, beliefs and the things they want on this board, more than are other people.

--and those who are empowered by it will be the oppressors.
You're talking about the majority getting what they choose rather than being dictated to by the minority. Where would you get the idea that the minority should dictate to the majority?
 
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Aren't we stronger than "him"?
Why do so many Christians seem to think "satan/devil" has more power than those in Christ?
It is that mentality that has probably caused more Christians to leave the faith and even less to come into it.
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I did not say that he had more power than we did. I said that we should not underestimate him.
 
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Where did Jesus find himself? Among the Saints or the Sinners?

I can have my faith 100%. I can acknowledge that I do not agree with others. Heck I don't even always agree with my own denomination, and there are divisions within it as well.

I can acknowledge that each of us has the right to what we believe to be TRUTH. My truth and yours may not be the same.

I will always listen to others and give my opinion, but I will not try to change your thoughts or your truth.

Maybe that is why I stayed out of the siggy wars
 
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This is what they're after~saving the seekers and others from the "chains of legalism" and freeing their minds.

We are the enemy of these lost folks and the new reign of liberty and tolerance will usher in a golden age of enlightenment upon these souls...can I get an amen...we don't need rules and we don't need doctrine...we don't even need a bible..we only need Jeeezus and love and whatever you think Jeeezus is will be TRUE for YOU...hallelujah brotherz and sisterz and those undecided inbetweeners...bring all your beliefs and feelings here to be baptized into these Christian Forums...we don't care if you are married to a man, a woman or a goat-you are married if you says you are married praise Jeeeezus. Are you a Christian Witch or a Christian Muslim or a Christian Druid or a Christian Pagan? Do ya believe God is in the rocks and bushes? Praise the rocks and bushes for they are your GOD and we're fine with that and give us some more time and maybe they'll be our GOD too. Don't believe GOD but want to be a Christian anyway-we can accomodate you too at no extra charge, though love offerings are always welcome. Voting for Truth daily, come early and come often :thumbsup:
This is exactly the way in can work out.
This is what sickens me.
"we make god in our image, each individual is different, so is our god. we may not believe jesus died for our sins, but were still saved because were politically correct"
Nonsense.

When you say such things as "imagine one of them moderating ... sickening", that is hatred Miracle. You described us as things. And that the idea of one of us telling you when you've done wrong is sickening to you.
Child, it is sickening.
Telling me what I have done wrong?
I take my advice from Christians, those who know the Lord.

Sorry if it insults you and that's where you find the"hatred" but I am only speaking truth.

Christian Forums turned Secular and Politically Correct. Sickening.
 
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Where did Jesus find himself? Among the Saints or the Sinners?
Most atheists aren't what we would call biblical "sinners".
 
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The definition of 'yoke', does not include free internet message boards, where one can come and go as they please, and where the staff are 100% volunteer. The phrase 'associate with' or 'socialize with', is more fitting.

Once more - this isn't a church, or a place where people get 'yoked together'. It's an internet message board.

It is to me Bearman;) Though thats how little rural (in the middle of nowheres) me sees it. Others might see it as a place to sharpen their debate skills and whichever other way it can be seen. I suppose parents of children look at it as a safe internet experience given the careful measures this board provides. Different folks see this board through different eyes and speak in accordance to what it means to them.

Besides we gather here, need we always be in the flesh (touching knees on rock hard seating) to gather?^_^

Peace

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If staff really deserve to be commended for their time of serving there surely would have to demonstrate that they put the serving of the people before the serving of themselves. Any neglect in revealing to light any ungodliness directed toward members would count as self serving activity. IMHO
 
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Most atheists aren't what we would call biblical "sinners".
I can agree with you on that!

But my point is that we can not educate or influence anyone if we are afraid that their opinion is contrary to our own. Or if their "faith icon" isn't the same as our own. How do we (as Christians) profess unity, if we can not see beyond those things.
 
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I think you miss the point. I'm a former non-Christian myself and I'd be the last person to say I don't want to interact with non-Christians. One of the things that does concern me is the removal of faith icons. How do we know who is what? Could someone just sign up as a troll pretending to be Catholic, Orthodox or whatever just to cause trouble? It's always possible because some people have very little to do with their time.

They can do that now with the icons.



Though I like the icons myself and would be fine keeping them.
 
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Well I gotta go check on my Muslim buddies to keep 'em honest LOL, and I wish all here nothing but Peace, Joy, Happiness, Compassion, Respect and LOVE. Bye for now. :wave:
 
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The definition of 'yoke', does not include free internet message boards, where one can come and go as they please, and where the staff are 100% volunteer. The phrase 'associate with' or 'socialize with', is more fitting.

Once more - this isn't a church, or a place where people get 'yoked together'. It's an internet message board.
Says you bear.

This is a message board, but many come here that are seeking or young in Christ and do not need the agendas of others polluting their precious hearts and minds.

Millstone bear, millstone.
 
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As I have pointed out, this is historically how it works. There will always be oppression. It is just a matter of who is doing the oppressing. If you on the side of the oppressors, it seems what they are doing is a good thing.
I wonder if our definitions of "oppression" aren't terribly different. I see oppression as acting to keep people from saying things you don't want them to say, going places you don't want them to go and having authority you want to keep only for yourself. That's what we've had here.

The new system is one where people are allowed to speak their mind, even if you or I don't particularly care for what they say. It lets them visit parts of the forum which were always off-limits to them in the past. It gives them the opportunity to show themselves to be the kind of people others would want in positions of limited authority, even if their theology or ideology isn't the same.

I don't see that as oppression. If I may be so bold I think your objections are based on the loss of ability to oppress those you think you should have the right to oppress.

Man is man. I have yet to see any evidence that we have evolved to a new "level of maturity."
I think the evidence is spread all through the history of Christianity. Not that there isn't a long way left to go but certainly it's the rare Christian today who would actually promote the slaughter of children or the idea of washing their feet in the blood of a slaughtered human, simply because they see them as an enemy. Most today can't even tolerate a God who creates evil; to the point that they've actually relieved him of that duty by changing the wording of the Bible.

Technology has changed and we have more history to draw upon to avoid some past mistakes, but man is still man.
And man will always be man. But that speaks of biology (which slowly changes), not of ideology. People can and do learn. The first step is to give them the ability by discontinuing a system of dictating their every action to them as has been done in the past. Let people develop personal responsibility and most of them will. If you continually dictate your brand of responsibility to them, all you'll foster is their hatred for you and the oppression you exercise over them.
 
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They're going away.
WOULD YOU SHOW ME WHERE IN THE ORIGINAL POST BY ERWIN IT SAYS THAT


I read the following

f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.
 
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WOULD YOU SHOW ME WHERE IN THE ORIGINAL POST BY ERWIN IT SAYS THAT

I never said that they were in Erwin's original post. I just know that they're going away.

I suppose we can continue to debate or you can watch and see what happens.

I find the decision stupid and somewhat sad as I like my faith icon.

ETA: and yes, I know that it is currently hidden - hiding it made me a better moderator, I think. I just know that lots of folks like their icons as well.
 
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