A Montana lawmaker suggested she’d rather risk her child’s suicide than let her transition

[essentialsaltes]

A recent comment by a Montana state lawmaker who sponsored legislation to ban gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors has gone viral and drawn backlash online.

"One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that without surgery the risk of suicide goes way up. Well, I am one of those parents who lived with a daughter who was suicidal for three years," Seekins-Crowe said in her remarks in March. "Someone once asked me, 'Wouldn't I just do anything to help save her?' And I really had to think and the answer was, 'No.'"

Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., lambasted the GOP state lawmaker on Twitter on Thursday for her remarks.

"I vehemently disagree with this speech by GOP state rep Kerri Seekins-Crowe. But you know what she didn’t say? That it should be the government’s role to make personal decisions for families. Why is she now shoving her private decision down other people’s throats?" he wrote.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Children have to be surgically altered upon their request to save their lives.

What else shall be capitulated to under the threat of they'll kill themselves if we don't?

 

[Ceallaigh]

It's astounding how children are now at the very forefront to a huge and increasing degree regarding LGBTQQIP2SAA+ issues.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Children have to be surgically altered upon their request to save their lives.

No, gender affirming care should be available (and not banned), so families can make these decisions with the advice of their doctors.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It's astounding how children are now at the very forefront to a huge and increasing degree regarding LGBTQQIP2SAA+ issues.

No, the forefront is conservatives banning things that have only recently set them off.

 

[Ceallaigh]

No, the forefront is conservatives banning things that have only recently set them off.

That's because children have recently been brought to the very forefront to a huge and increasing degree regarding LGBTQQIP2SAA+ issues.

Especially the resent huge and increasing degree regarding children being surgically altered.

 

[Ceallaigh]

No, gender affirming care should be available (and not banned), so families can make these decisions with the advice of their doctors.

Glossing.

"One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that without surgery the risk of suicide goes way up"

 

[essentialsaltes]

Glossing.

"One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that without surgery the risk of suicide goes way up"

She's 'glossing'. She "sponsored legislation to ban gender-affirming medical care"

 

[Ceallaigh]

She's 'glossing'. She "sponsored legislation to ban gender-affirming medical care"

Using the word surgery was being transparent. Terms like gender-affirming medical care are euphemisms for surgical alteration.

Why oh why are these cold hearted prejudiced conservatives trying to ban something so innocuous sounding as gender-affirming medical care?

They are trying to ban the sudden huge demand of children to be surgically altered.

Let's stick with the demand of children to be surgically altered, instead of resorting to glossing and euphemizing.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Using the word surgery was being transparent. Terms like gender-affirming medical care are euphemisms for surgical alteration.

If that was her intent, then she could have written her law without recourse to your alleged euphemism. But she didn't. Because she intended to ban more than surgery.

 

[Ceallaigh]

If that was her intent, then she could have written her law without recourse to your alleged euphemism. But she didn't. Because she intended to ban more than surgery.

I don't see anything in the article giving the details of "her law".

Kerri Seekins-Crowe said: "One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that without surgery the risk of suicide goes way up."

Whereas Rebecca Shabad who wrote the article said: "A recent comment by a Montana state lawmaker who sponsored legislation to ban gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors has gone viral and drawn backlash online."

But I didn't come across anything said or written by Kerri Seekins-Crowe, that addressed any aspect transing children other than surgery. Therefore I have to conclude that Rebecca Shabad is calling the surgical alteration of children "gender-affirming medical care".

A large part of the whole transgender movement is changing the way things are said. Like instead of "mother" it's supposed to be "birthing person". Instead of "male" it's supposed to be "person who produces sperm" and on and on. And instead of saying "sex change surgery" it's "gender-affirming medical care"

 

[KCfromNC]

A recent comment by a Montana state lawmaker who sponsored legislation to ban gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors has gone viral and drawn backlash online.

"One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that without surgery the risk of suicide goes way up. Well, I am one of those parents who lived with a daughter who was suicidal for three years," Seekins-Crowe said in her remarks in March. "Someone once asked me, 'Wouldn't I just do anything to help save her?' And I really had to think and the answer was, 'No.'"

This is what the pro-life party looks like in practice, I guess.

 

[KCfromNC]

It's astounding how children are now at the very forefront to a huge and increasing degree regarding LGBTQQIP2SAA+ issues.

Reality is a natural response to the GOP culture war pushing them forward for cheap political points.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Reality is a natural response to the GOP culture war pushing them forward for cheap political points.

Really is my own observation. But I'm sure that's a good way to stay in denile, convincing oneself that it's all just GOP politics.

 

[essentialsaltes]

But I didn't come across anything said or written by Kerri Seekins-Crowe, that addressed any aspect transing children other than surgery. Therefore I have to conclude that Rebecca Shabad is calling the surgical alteration of children "gender-affirming medical care".

Your conclusion, or assumption really, is wrong.
The bill does not only prohibit surgery, but also puberty blockers and "medical treatment". It also forbids state entities (e.g. schools) from "promot[ing] or advocat[ing] the use of social transitioning"

A large part of the whole antitransgender movement is changing the way things are said. Like saying "sex change surgery" when what is meant is "gender-affirming care of many types".

 

[Merrill]

A recent comment by a Montana state lawmaker who sponsored legislation to ban gender-affirming medical care for transgender minors has gone viral and drawn backlash online.

"One of the big issues that we have heard today and we've talked about lately is that without surgery the risk of suicide goes way up. Well, I am one of those parents who lived with a daughter who was suicidal for three years," Seekins-Crowe said in her remarks in March. "Someone once asked me, 'Wouldn't I just do anything to help save her?' And I really had to think and the answer was, 'No.'"

Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., lambasted the GOP state lawmaker on Twitter on Thursday for her remarks.

"I vehemently disagree with this speech by GOP state rep Kerri Seekins-Crowe. But you know what she didn’t say? That it should be the government’s role to make personal decisions for families. Why is she now shoving her private decision down other people’s throats?" he wrote.

I honestly think those who come to this board and argue for castrating kids should be banned

This canard about kids suiciding because they can't get their breasts cut off has no evidence or merit. If parents try to trans their kids, and create an insane environment for their children, THAT will increase suicide chances.

there is no such thing as "gender-affirming care". That is like calling the deportation and killing of Jews "benevolent self-exodus"

people that argue for transing kids and mutilating them are morally bankrupt pederasts and lunatics

 

[Ceallaigh]

Your conclusion, or assumption really, is wrong.

Neither. I related what was in the posted article that I saw.

The bill does not only prohibit surgery, but also puberty blockers and "medical treatment". It also forbids state entities (e.g. schools) from "promot[ing] or advocat[ing] the use of social transitioning"

Good.

A large part of the whole antitransgender movement is changing the way things are said. Like saying "sex change surgery" when what is meant is "gender-affirming care of many types".

That part is right. There's quite a lengthy list of replacement terms we are supposed to use. This isn't something that's been around for a long time, that people want banned. The LGBTQQIP2SAA+ movement has pushed its way into the structure of society with tremendous force and speed. And it's quite obvious the goal is to significantly change that structure. The it's a just poor helpless victim minority only seeking a little acceptance is hogwash progressives have been duped into believing. LGBTQQIP2SAA+ is taking advantage of them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

people that argue for transing kids and mutilating them are morally bankrupt pederasts and lunatics

Those medical decisions should not be taken lightly (and they aren't) but I think families and doctors should be allowed access to them within the bounds of medical ethics.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Neither. I related what was in the posted article that I saw.

You concluded that the lawmaker was accurately relating the text of the bill and the journalist was changing words. In fact, the journalist accurately reported the content of the bill, and the politician was just politicking on the floor of the legislature.

Your conclusion was false.

 

[Ceallaigh]

You concluded that the lawmaker was accurately relating the text of the bill and the journalist was changing words. In fact, the journalist accurately reported the content of the bill, and the politician was just politicking on the floor of the legislature.

Your conclusion was false.

Are you saying that sex change surgery for children is being called sex change surgery for children, rather than being euphemistically called "gender-affirming medical care"? Because that's the part I would be wrong about.