A Losing Battle

[amariselle]

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[Douglas Hendrickson]

Douglas Hendrickson said: ↑
You blame God for irresponsible parents?
Perhaps those who are destitute AND bring into being new human persons should be called irresponsible flesh lovers?

dhh712 said: ↑
We don't know what reasons God has for bringing souls into families that are destitute; we who are professing Christians should do what we can to help those who don't have that much temporal wealth.

Having problems with reading comprehension now, are we? Where in my post do I assign blame regarding the responsibility of parents?

Sure, those who are destitute and bring new life into the world are indeed irresponsible.

Maybe you need to brush up on your theology. God does all things. I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace and create calamity: I the Lord do all these things. Isa 45: 7. Yes, God is responsible for those children that are born to irresponsible parents, if we're talking about how that happened. He is not to blame for their irresponsibility, that's due to their own fallen nature. But if you're trying to say God didn't plan for those children to be born to irresponsible parents, you definitely do not believe in a Sovereign God and there's not any other one that's revealed to us in scripture.

Oh, and God "planned for" World War II? And was right with Hitler all along?
(Note Isaiah doe not say "I do all things"!)

Want to make personal attacks, huh? Surely an obvious lack of reading comprehension is not being able to recognize a question mark, not knowing what that means? Perhaps I am not now noticing someone's question marks?

So, you mean "GOD DOES ALL THINGS," but God is not responsible for such doing? Perhaps it is the word "does" that is giving trouble?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Down Syndrome, it makes no sense that they choose to kill that child because it is simply "inconvenient."

Downs Syndrome is a little more then inconvenient. I do know a Christian Couple that were told that they had a Down Syndrome Child and they made the choice to have that child and the child pretty much turned out to be normal. Of if the child had Down Syndrome then it was so mild that no once could notice it. Are you doing something to help someone who made the choice to have a Down Syndrome child? God does give everyone a choice and the right choice is to choose life. But people have to make that choice for themselves. We can not make that choice for them.

We believe that Heaven is filled with Children. If a person aborts a child that only means the Child will be waiting for them when they get to Heaven IF they get to Heaven. I am sure that God will comfort the child if the parents never make it to heaven to be there with them. They are well taken care of. Other family members may be there. I am sure that Heaven is a wonderful place for children.

 

[amariselle]

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[amariselle]

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[SkyWriting]

This thread isn't about fertility clinics, though if all that you say is true, then I would agree that this too is an issue.

I am broken-hearted over all of it, honestly. Personally attacking those who are sharing their pain over what they see and experience in life and the world, accusing them of "soap boxing" and invalidating their own pain will likewise get us nowhere. Do you think everyone would be better off staying silent?

Or just me then?

 

[SkyWriting]

This thread isn't about fertility clinics, though if all that you say is true, then I would agree that this too is an issue.

Right. We can skip over the homicide rate of the female body being 50% or more against the unborn.
I just want you to see all the worms in the can you are opening.
So all men having sex outside of procreation is an accomplice to murder.
And a 50% homicide rate for them as well. Or murder if they are informed.
Trying to have children kills 50% of them.

 

[amariselle]

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[SkyWriting]

I am not interested in opening any "can of worms" or in skipping over anything. Life is messy and often painful, who could disagree? But life is also beautiful and a gift from God.

You seem to be quite angry and defensive toward me, when at no point did I ever attack you or accuse you personally of anything. Again, I started this thread because lately I have been told that women should be able to have abortions because it is convenient. I find this heartbreaking and I was hoping to share my thoughts with other likeminded Christians who are also broken-hearted that this is happening.

I expect personal insults and attacks from the world, I guess I didn't think I would find it here in a Christian community. My mistake. Lesson learned.

There is nothing personlal on you about my attack on your topic. You asked for discussion, you get it. Tough luck for you if you wanted adoration. You've brought up pain and misery I've lived through. Adding murder to my misery is not going to be a sweet ride for you. My only child is dead. I'm not sure how your going to fix that or how to avoid this being inconvenient for you. I plan to make it inconvenient for you who have some idea that Christians, as a group, will "like" your posts. I'm giving your posts and topic an "un-like".

 

[amariselle]

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[amariselle]

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[GoodGRACEshus]

Thank you for sharing this GoodGRACEshus.

Not keen to hang that washing out in public so will delete my post....if it helped,
good......but closed minds need the HS to pry them open

 

[amariselle]

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[GoodGRACEshus]

We never know what deep guilt another carries. The thread did draw attention to a sore in society.

Many blessing to you! Will pray for those carrying that burden!

 

[dhh712]

Oh, and God "planned for" World War II? And was right with Hitler all along?

That certainly was in God's plan. Every single thing that has ever happened, good and bad, has been ordained from the foundations of the earth by God's eternal counsel. God isn't right with anyone's sinful acts. He ordains whatever happens but is in no way the author of the sinful acts. Those are the transgressions of the sinner.

You may want to refer to the chapter on God's eternal decree in the Westminster's Confessions of Faith (see chapter 3).


I will say, however, I'm quite done with the topic. It has veered rather far from amariselle's original subject which I think is an important one to discuss yet has generated some unusual criticism.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

I will say, however, I'm quite done with the topic. It has veered rather far from amariselle's original subject which I think is an important one to discuss yet has generated some unusual criticism.

It seems she even changed the title of the thread to hide the truth that may have been revealed about "INCONVENIENCE." Inconvenient Truth, one might think?

 

[amariselle]

It seems she even changed the title of the thread to hide the truth that may have been revealed about "INCONVENIENCE." Inconvenient Truth, one might think?

Yeah.....actually I changed it to reflect the reality we are facing. I'm not trying to discuss this here anymore. One might have thought that Christians would be more interested in standing up for those who have no voice. Disappointing and heartbreaking.

 

[amariselle]

I will say, however, I'm quite done with the topic. It has veered rather far from amariselle's original subject which I think is an important one to discuss yet has generated some unusual criticism.

Unusual for sure. I have to say, I am completely heartbroken and distraught over the lack of compassion/personal attacks that I have encountered here, in the Christian only section of the forums with regard to this very real and devastating problem we are facing in our world today.

Thousands of unborn babies are murdered every single day, and their mothers are often likewise disregarded. When are we going to stand up and stand firm?

In any case, other than a couple of you, I have met with nothing but insults in trying to share my heart in this matter. As I've said before, I expect that much from the world, and I have received it, but from Christians? Wow.

And to make this all the more poignant, my sister just had her little boy several hours ago and I just received a photo of them sleeping, with him on her chest. That is at least one baby who will be treasured and loved. I wish they all could be.

I won't be posting about this here on these forums again.

 

[Douglas Hendrickson]

Unusual for sure. I have to say, I am completely heartbroken and distraught over the lack of compassion/personal attacks that I have encountered here, in the Christian only section of the forums with regard to this very real and devastating problem we are facing in our world today.

Thousands of unborn babies are murdered every single day, and their mothers are often likewise disregarded. When are we going to stand up and stand firm?

In any case, other than a couple of you, I have met with nothing but insults in trying to share my heart in this matter. As I've said before, I expect that much from the world, and I have received it, but from Christians? Wow.

And to make this all the more poignant, my sister just had her little boy several hours ago and I just received a photo of them sleeping, with him on her chest. That is at least one baby who will be treasured and loved. I wish they all could be.

I won't be posting about this here on these forums again.

Your vague smeary attack is not appreciated.
Are you including me in the "nothing but insults" crowd? If so I would suggest it demonstrates a rather complete lack of respect for truth, to make such a false claim.
I think you are "in good company," CF not wanting to be a place to pursue much truth re these matters.

 

[amariselle]

I think you are "in good company," CF not wanting to be a place to pursue much truth re these matters.

I would have to agree with you, sadly, there isn't a lot of desire to discuss the issue at all. Lesson learned, I will go elsewhere, because I still believe that there are many out there who do want to talk about it, and who do admit it's happening (abortions for the sake of convenience).