A liberal, on why Democrats Lost

[Chrystal-J]

I can only speak for my area (Detroit). All of Kamala's ads were about getting an abortion. Never mind that the price of gas and food is sky high. I was waiting for her to say "Let them eat cake". She was out of touch and that led to a red tidal wave.

 

[RoBo1988]

If that happens - will you be moving out of a Democratically run state that does not and has not done that for decades?

He did last time - there was more real income growth to the Middle Class than in years. Having an inflations rate of 1.4% and low fuel costs all helped the middle class

Psst.... there was no prelude to war during his last administration - but after four years of Democratically controlled White House and congress there are two major wars happening and now rumored of the start of WW3 after Biden's latest decisions with Ukraine.

That's the concern I have with Trump 2 All of the messes he's inheriting from Joe Biden; I've read that the administration has been paying over 12 billion for employers to NOT lay off workers; then the migrant payments to the NGO's, combined with the endless war funding, and you may have a perfect storm.

 

[RoBo1988]

Not A Democrat

The Party Left Me

josephklein.substack.com

Another good opinion, by Joe Klein.

 

[probinson]

Well, everyone dies eventually. But the research shows the "fake" pandemic coincided with a bit over a million excess deaths in the US alone.

Do you find it a little odd that there were MORE excess deaths in the first year of vaccination than there were in the first year of the pandemic?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Do you find it a little odd that there were MORE excess deaths in the first year of vaccination than there were in the first year of the pandemic?

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Not really - vaccination wasn't widespread until mid-2021. Deaths peaked in February 2021, well before most people had access to the vaccine.

 

[DaisyDay]

I received the same condescension when I told of my employer's business dropping off the face of the earth after having 3 record breaking years (of a 70 year old company) during the first Trump term - "but the stock market!" , seemed to be the fall back argument. Good for my 401k, but I still have a few more years before I retire.

Economically, I have a feeling that things may get worse before they get better, under Trump. However, as the numbers show, economics wasn't the sole reason the Democrats failed to connect. The myriad of social issues they attempted to force feed voters put many over the top.

Household income Gini Index U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, according to the Gini coefficient, household income distribution in the United States was 0.47.

www.statista.com

The GINI coefficient rose under Trump and has decreased under Biden. I expect the income disparity to rise even further under Trump's next term.

 

[DaisyDay]

Throw the Groups Under the Bus!

The road back to the working class.

www.liberalpatriot.com

Ruy Texitera sums it up well. The comments are good, too.

Ruy Teixeira

 

[probinson]

Not really - vaccination wasn't widespread until mid-2021. Deaths peaked in February 2021, well before most people had access to the vaccine.

Still, if these vaccines "save lives", and vaccination started in late 2020, one would not expect to see an increase in excess deaths. Any vaccine that was touted as "95% effective" should have had a positive impact on excess mortality the year it was introduced.

Additionally, there was another peak in deaths in February 2022, more than a year after vaccination began, that was nearly identical to the February 2021 peak.

Do you find it odd that people were dying at nearly the same rate more than a year after the vaccines were introduced?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Still, if these vaccines "save lives", and vaccination started in late 2020, one would not expect to see an increase in excess deaths. Any vaccine that was touted as "95% effective" should have had a positive impact on excess mortality the year it was introduced.

That logic only works if you assume that the previous year was representative of maximum mortality. Which it wasn't, for several reasons - infection rates didn't start spiking until March/April (so it wasn't a full year), lockdowns and masking limited the spread, and people were just generally more cautious into late 2020.

Do you find it odd that people were dying at nearly the same rate more than a year after the vaccines were introduced?

First of all, I wouldn't call a 15% drop in mortality "nearly the same rate". Second, no, I don't find it odd. Lots of people did not get COVID boosters - uptake was only about 30% for fully-vaccinated people - so the benefits of the vaccine were a bit muted and late 2021/early 2022 was when the Omicron variant, which was more transmissible, became prevalent. People were also getting much more complacent about going to public gatherings and masking.

 

[probinson]

That logic only works if you assume that the previous year was representative of maximum mortality. Which it wasn't, for several reasons - infection rates didn't start spiking until March/April (so it wasn't a full year), lockdowns and masking limited the spread, and people were just generally more cautious into late 2020.

You might want to read this John Hopkins study.

An analysis of each of these three groups support the conclusion that lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality. More specifically, stringency index studies find that lockdowns in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% on average. SIPOs were also ineffective, only reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9% on average. Specific NPI studies also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality.​

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A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf​

First of all, I wouldn't call a 15% drop in mortality "nearly the same rate".

I see you're using relative percentages instead of absolutes. Might that be because the difference between 68.26 and 54.26 PER MILLION is an absolute drop of just 0.001%?

Second, no, I don't find it odd. Lots of people did not get COVID boosters - uptake was only about 30% for fully-vaccinated people - so the benefits of the vaccine were a bit muted and late 2021/early 2022 was when the Omicron variant, which was more transmissible, became prevalent.

So the vaccines aren't effective unless people are perpetually boosted? That's your explanation for why there was an absolute reduction in morality of just 0.001%?

Also, perhaps you are unaware, but two of the top vaccine regulators at the FDA resigned in protest over the political pressures to approve boosters for everyone. They wrote this in the Lancet in October 2021.

Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high. Even if humoral immunity appears to wane, reductions in neutralising antibody titre do not necessarily predict reductions in vaccine efficacy over time, and reductions in vaccine efficacy against mild disease do not necessarily predict reductions in the (typically higher) efficacy against severe disease.​

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Considerations in boosting COVID-19 vaccine immune responses

A new wave of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible delta variant is exacerbating the worldwide public health crisis, and has led to consideration of the potential need for, and optimal timing of, booster doses for vaccinated populations.1 Although the idea of further reducing the...

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Your assertion that motility was high in February 2022 because the vast majority of people chose not to be boosted is not supported by any evidence.

People were also getting much more complacent about going to public gatherings and masking.

Likewise, there is no evidence that masking did anything at all to slow spread of the disease. Here is what the Cochrane Review has to say.

Medical or surgical masks​

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Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.​

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N95/P2 respirators​

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Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned.​

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Do physical measures such as hand-washing or wearing masks stop or slow down the spread of respiratory viruses? | Cochrane

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To tie this back to the OP, COVID is another issue where Democrats are out-of-touch with the electorate. By not only mandating these foolish and ineffective measures but then doubling down and attempting to defend them against all empirical evidence that demonstrates their inefficacy, they have alienated a large portion of independent voters.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

You might want to read this John Hopkins study.

An analysis of each of these three groups support the conclusion that lockdowns have had little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality. More specifically, stringency index studies find that lockdowns in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% on average. SIPOs were also ineffective, only reducing COVID-19 mortality by 2.9% on average. Specific NPI studies also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality.​

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A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf​

Personally, I wouldn't ask a bunch of economists for analysis of medical data, but you do you.

I see you're using relative percentages instead of absolutes. Might that be because the difference between 68.26 and 54.26 PER MILLION is an absolute drop of just 0.001%?

That's...not how math works. I'm using the relative percentages because I'm comparing two numbers in a relative manner. The absolute difference is irrelevant.

Your assertion that motility was high in February 2022 because the vast majority of people chose not to be boosted is not supported by any evidence.

I listed it as one possible explanation, not the only one. But it's clear that you've made up your mind on this issue, and as such, there's no point continuing our conversation.

 

[probinson]

Personally, I wouldn't ask a bunch of economists for analysis of medical data, but you do you.

Do you dispute their results? Do you think their methodology is flawed? What specifically do you find problematic about their analysis?

That's...not how math works. I'm using the relative percentages because I'm comparing two numbers in a relative manner. The absolute difference is irrelevant.

That's exactly how math works, and is a prime illustration of how numbers don't lie, but liars use numbers. You're using the relative percentages simply because 15% sounds more impressive than 0.001%. However, it's incredibly relevant, because it points out that we're talking about minuscule numbers to begin with (0.0068% vs 0.0054%).

On a related note, if you buy TWO lottery tickets instead of ONE you can increase your odds of winning the lottery by 200% (!!!!!!)

But it's clear that you've made up your mind on this issue, and as such, there's no point continuing our conversation.

Oh trust me, the feeling is mutual.

 

[RileyG]

The question is, what are the Republicans actually going to do about the working class now that they've got them? Slaying the woke monster will only go so far to satisfy them.

They will focus on jobs instead of woke ideology

 

[RileyG]

I can only speak for my area (Detroit). All of Kamala's ads were about getting an abortion. Never mind that the price of gas and food is sky high. I was waiting for her to say "Let them eat cake". She was out of touch and that led to a red tidal wave.

Yup. All about the “right” to kill a child in the womb. She’s deplorable!

I’m so happy so many Americans rejected her and voted for Trump.

 

[RileyG]

It was fake. No need to shut businesses. No need to force a “vaccine”. No need to mask.

Odd how the “my body, my choice” crowd demanded everyone get vaccinated and wear a mask.

Hypocrites

For the record, I wore a mask and am fully vaccinated. That was MY personal CHOICE.

 

[BCP1928]

Household income Gini Index U.S. 2023| Statista

In 2023, according to the Gini coefficient, household income distribution in the United States was 0.47.

www.statista.com

The GINI coefficient rose under Trump and has decreased under Biden. I expect the income disparity to rise even further under Trump's next term.

There will be a period of necessary austerity and discipline for the working class as the struggle to MAGA continues. The evil wrought by the Woke Monster is so pervasive that sacrifices must be made to eradicate it fully. That is the usual pattern, anyway.

 

[probinson]

Odd how the “my body, my choice” crowd demanded everyone get vaccinated and wear a mask.

Hypocrites

Indeed. But you know the response you'll get. They'll say that anyone who didn't get vaccinated was a threat to others, which is an argument detached from reality since the vaccines don't prevent disease transmission. This was known from the beginning. Yet "experts" pushed mandates anyway. But then, I suppose when you're handing TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to Pfizer and Moderna, you need to make sure you have a market. To this day, they tell you to get vaccinated to protect others. They're blatantly lying. If the vaccine offers any protection, it is solely to the recipient. it DOES NOT prevent disease transmission AND IT NEVER DID.

"No one is safe until everyone is safe". A multi-billion dollar propaganda campaign to coerce people who likely received no benefit from the vaccines was absolutely relentless.

Democrats bought into this propaganda at much higher rates than Republicans and Independents.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Odd how the “my body, my choice” crowd demanded everyone get vaccinated and wear a mask.

Hypocrites

For the record, I wore a mask and am fully vaccinated. That was MY personal CHOICE.

I agree about the hypocrisy. I wore a mask because we were forced to, but never had the covid shot. I don't have an issue with those who did, but I didn't feel they could create a vaccine that quickly that would work without side effects.

 

[RileyG]

I agree about the hypocrisy. I wore a mask because we were forced to, but never had the covid shot. I don't have an issue with those who did, but I didn't feel they could create a vaccine that quickly that would work without side effects.

Your life, your choice. Period.

 

[RoBo1988]

Your life, your choice. Period.

I took the first two jabs, then backed off when they started saying you had to get booster after booster to infinity and beyond.

I still got COVID anyway. Felt lousy for about 4 days.