A Letter From An Atheist

[Naraoia]

I knew, with that one, someone would pipe up --

And I don't even play it.

 

[Greg1234]

Your breakfast was brought to you by science, technology, stable governance, a moderate climate and a supply chain that largely operates as a free market. It was not brought to you magically by a mystical all-powerful being.

A post replete with travesty. Which breakfast are you talking about? The meat which comes from a created animal? The fruits and vegetables which come from created plants? Have you ever tried eating the scientific method? How does it taste?

A man seeking to advance spiritually has everything he needs through reading the bible. In his sojourn, he can also read the creations, the machinery all around him, engage in reverse engineering, and provide for himself. For nutrition, same thing.

The perishable goods provided through physical science do not actually have any real spiritual purpose. How many cars you owned, how many Nintendos you played, how many cell phone calls you made, are certainly not worth the type of worship you and yours tend to demand.

If you want we could trade- you could take the stuff which comes through physical science, and we could take the animals, plants, the human body, the bible and leave. The last one standing wins. Maybe then you'll realize your miscalculation.

The employment of science to engage in mundane tasks certainly does not necessitate a worship of same. When prioritizing reality, we can only end with God atop. And as opposed to a dependence on wineries , religion deals with and seeks the opposite- freedom from same.

Physical science is used, but certainly not needed, definitely not exalted. I haven't even gotten into when the seed becomes a tree and begins bearing fruit. You need God however. You need the creations. You need the body. You need life. No amount of foot stamping is going to change that (unless we tax your foot stamping for change).

 

[thaumaturgy]

The fruits and vegetables which come from created plants?

You mean the way they were originally or the way we bred them to be over centuries? You know, so we could actually get significant amounts of nourishment from them and not have to spend literally every waking minute finding food? More time to pray!

Have you ever tried eating the scientific method? How does it taste?

It tastes deliciously of "WIN".

A man seeking to advance spiritually has everything he needs through reading the bible.

Advanced Spirituality and $3.50 can get a nice coffee at Starbucks!

The perishable goods provided through physical science do not actually have any real spiritual purpose.

Well, only if you really have no fascination with what science does. There are a lot of people out there who find the wonders of science amazingly "uplifting". But others close their eyes and just explain it all away with "God did it". And that is enough for them.

They are busy advancing "spirit" (not to be confused with the Mars rover, Spirit)

How many cars you owned, how many Nintendos you played, how many cell phone calls you made, are certainly not worth the type of worship you and yours tend to demand.

So the ability to force electrons which we can't even see to record information and make virtual worlds and harness the power of advanced mathemetics and do calculations at our command isn't even a little interesting?

If you want we could trade- you could take the stuff which comes through physical science, and we could take the animals, plants, the human body, the bible and leave.

Ahem...you couldn't take any of the medical science or understanding of how the human body works, you couldn't take any of the science or understanding of how the animals function, you couldn't take any of the breeding knowledge of plants with you. You could go off and be primitive hunter gatherers if you like, but actual understanding of any of that would have to stay with us.

The last one standing wins. Maybe then you'll realize your miscalculation.

I'll take that bet.

When prioritizing reality, we can only end with God atop.

Why?

Which god?

Who put God up there? Who made God such that he is on top?

Physical science is used, but certainly not needed

The reason you say that is because you've never known a world without science. If you are over the age of 30 you probably are here largely because of science. You have food on your table largely because of science. You have clean water because of science (no miracles involved in making potable water).

You need God however.

Why?

 

[Greg1234]

You mean the way they were originally or the way we bred them to be over centuries?

The way they originally were. We would also see that animals can adapt. This is through an intelligent mechanism and the knowledge of adaptation is gained by reading God's work. We would then seek to use the knowledge gained through what you call "breeding."

It tastes deliciously of "WIN".

Then eat it. We'll take the animals, plants, oh and the body you're using.

Well, only if you really have no fascination with what science does.

Are you talking about the wineries?

There are a lot of people out there who find the wonders of science amazingly "uplifting". But others close their eyes and just explain it all away with "God did it". And that is enough for them.

"Goddidit" is only the beginning for us. That's it for you.

So the ability to force electrons which we can't even see to record information and make virtual worlds and harness the power of advanced mathemetics and do calculations at our command isn't even a little interesting?

I never said it wasn't interesting. It simply isn't worshiped. The prophets were already traversing time so we already had time machines. The universe is quite simple. What is hidden is hidden because of perception, not necessarily difficulty. Time is also a cloak which can be, and was removed. If you try eating a normal bowl of cereal with a bulldozer, you'll have problems. Try a less complicated spoon. Or even better, simply lift the bowl to your mouth.

Ahem...you couldn't take any of the medical science or understanding of how the human body works, you couldn't take any of the science or understanding of how the animals function, you couldn't take any of the breeding knowledge of plants with you.

Nope. But knowledge would be gained. For example, the fact that mind is over matter is already given through texts. This alone saves time. We move on from such. We made science too by the way. Can't say it was to be worshiped though. http://www.experiment-resources.com/history-of-the-philosophy-of-science.html

You could go off and be primitive hunter gatherers if you like,

Funny how you're judging advancement by the accumulation and dependence on material wealth.

but actual understanding of any of that would have to stay with us.

The bodiless "us." No problem. The seed eventually grows to bear fruit, knowledge a byproduct of such. You can leave the youknowwhats at the door on your way out.

The reason you say that is because you've never known a world without science. If you are over the age of 30 you probably are here largely because of science.

Not really. Unlocked Wordhoard: Medieval Life Expectancy

You have food on your table largely because of science. You have clean water because of science (no miracles involved in making potable water).

Mundane tasks, that's not a problem. Plumbing and the channeling of liquids could be reverse engineered from reading created organisms. Knowledge again provided by God. Rivers have clean water. And that's just the beginning.

 

[thaumaturgy]

The prophets were already traversing time so we already had time machines.

I am quite doubtful of that.

The universe is quite simple.

Have you ever taken a class involving quantum mechanics?

What is hidden is hidden because of perception, not necessarily difficulty.

Did you take all your science classes pass-fail?

Time is also a cloak which can be, and was removed. If you try eating a normal bowl of cereal with a bulldozer, you'll have problems. Try a less complicated spoon. Or even better, simply lift the bowl to your mouth.

Glossalalia.

Funny how you're judging advancement by the accumulation and dependence on material wealth.

Well, being a philosophical naturalist and a methodological materialist I'm pretty much stuck with that.

But if you can show me some spirit-advancement I'd be glad to consider that.

Not really. Unlocked Wordhoard: Medieval Life Expectancy

Life expectancy at birth in Medieval Britain = 30 years. (SOURCE)

Life expectancy at birth in modern UK = 80 years (SOURCE)

Rivers have clean water. And that's just the beginning.

Ever hear of Giardia? (CDC Link) Cholera? Dysentery? Any of that?