A Key to Unity in American Politics

[Vambram]

I empathize with women, and nobody here has yet attempted to empathize with them regarding what I said. I will wait for some ladies to stop by and tell their side of the story.

You still appear to ignoring what I have said. How many more times and in how many more ways do you want me to say that hitting and hurting women is sinful, and wrong, and should NEVER ever be done at all. I believe that when a husband hits, or abuses his wife, that husband should expect the wife to divorce him. Wives should never EVER have to live in an abusive relationship.

 

[rjs330]

I think we can do away with no fault divorce and still protect women. I have seen the damage of spousal abuse and the damage it does to kids. There is no excuse for it and one of the most ungodly things someone can do. Marriage is supposed to be a relection of Christ and Church. One of love, and caring. If you just read what the scriptures say about marriage spousal abuse it the opposite of what it teaches and opposite of how Christ loves the Church.

So we could end no fault divorce and still allow divorce for things like adultery and abuse. Divorce is extremely destructive to families and children and in turn damages rhe fabric of society and a country. Families are supposed to stick together through thick and thin.

Frankly I'm not worried about men. I'm worried about kids.

 

[JustOneWay]

Please don't put words in my mouth. AT NO Time did I say that abuse does not happen. But, I do know that NONE of the people whom I know will ever give any excuse to attempt to justify abuse. Hitting and hurting a woman is wrong and sinful. PERIOD.

You are the one who says that you and ALL the men you know despise abuse. How many people? A few hundred? A thousand? You minimize the issue based on a small circle of friends.

Why are you so defensive? All I am asking is where is the empathy from the right regarding women when all they seem to want to do is put them back in the kitchen and return the country back to the 50's.

I thought this thread was about trying to be more empathetic?

 

[Always in His Presence]

This is America, home of the Free to do what I please, to get what I please, to go where I please and if anybody gets in my way I will be in their face. Such a selfish lifestyle is a direct result of a capitalist society. Good luck trying to change people's minds.

That is a perfect description of the LGBTQ+ community - Antifa - pink ladies anti Semites against Israel and the former occupy movement.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The key to unity is tolerance in it's most accurate form.

I can tolerate another's opinion, lifestyle and viewpoint even if I consider it a mental illness. I can be polite and kind to them. It doesn't mean that I agree with them, it doesn't mean I do not express my thoughts and beliefs. Two different viewpoints can live in harmony. They have be mature enough to agree to disagree.

A person has every right to express their convictions and even protest over what they do not agree with. The moment you put your face in mine and scream as (Part of your rights), don't cry when I use my rights to defend myself.

 

[Valletta]

So, would any of you guys be willing to go with a 3rd party, pro-life Catholic, if both sides are not showing us empathy?

I know Catholics and Protestants differ when it comes to church traditions, but we all believe that Jesus died for our sins (John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 5:3), and that Christ will return again (Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7).

Similarities between Protestants and Catholics (PDF):

https://www.northcoastcalvary.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Class-3-Shared-Beliefs-between-Roman-Catholics-and-Protestants-Handout.pdf

I've voted for a non-Republican or Democrat presidential candidate three or four times. One thing the two major parties do well is keep others out of the picture. Empathy is a part of good moral values, and such values are of great importance to me. We've got problems with an entrenched corrupt establishment, and I include the media in that. Most people aren't going to deal directly with candidates and unfortunately rely on media portrayals. In our state we once had a U.S. senator who according to the media was a man of the people and was portrayed as a highly compassionate empathetic guy. There was a woman who was a victim in two incidents and she was promised a meeting by the senator (she ran into him at a ceremony for her husband and others who were killed in the line of duty). After trying to schedule a meeting with his office for I believe over a year she asked me to try and help. I was amazed by the attitude of his staff, they played him up as a great guy because he made those kinds of promises all of the time but, they said, of course was unable to keep all such promises. Unfortunately she wasn't in the newspapers so I suppose they saw no political gain. There was no way the vast majority of the public could know with the media regularly championing him.

 

[durangodawood]

.....One thing the two major parties do well is keep others out of the picture. ....

The job is done for them naturally by our voting system, which by the spoiler effect penalizes voters who vote 3rd party.

The current system rationally games out to a 2 party left/right contest. Want viable additional parties? Change the voting system.

 

[Vambram]

You are the one who says that you and ALL the men you know despise abuse. How many people? A few hundred? A thousand? You minimize the issue based on a small circle of friends.

Why are you so defensive? All I am asking is where is the empathy from the right regarding women when all they seem to want to do is put them back in the kitchen and return the country back to the 50's.

I thought this thread was about trying to be more empathetic?

I can see from your point of view that you believe that I am attempting to minimize the issue. However, I promise you that I am not really trying to do so. I am fully aware that wives ought to divorce any husband that abuses them.
In my marriage, my wife and I are equals. There is absolutely no way at all that I would even think about putting or back into the kitchen or keeping her in the kitchen. My wife is a very strong minded and independent woman. My wife is the wisest and one of the smartest people whom I have ever known. There is absolutely nothing at all defensive here in my attitude. I believe that you are perceiving something in me that does not exist here.
Also, when you say that all the Right seems to want to do is put women back into the kitchen, then what do you say concerning Megyn Kelley, Congresswoman Stefanik, Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Senator Blackburn, Senator Fischer, Senator Britt, Senator Hyde-Smith, Senator Capito, and many other GOP female politicians currently serving their people as leaders in government?

U.S. Senators - Women in the GOP

www.nfrw.org

U.S. Representatives - Women in the GOP

www.nfrw.org

Governors and Lieutenant Governors - Women in the GOP

www.nfrw.org

All I am asking from you here is for you to attempt to try to understand that the vast majority of conservatives do not want to return women back to the 50s. The majority of conservatives do indeed believe and want for equal rights for women.
In a previous post, you touched upon the issue of abortion. To the liberals, the issue of abortion is all about "reproductive rights" and the rights of the women to do whatever they want to do with the unborn baby, or fetus. I can empathize with that point of view. However, to the pro-life people like myself, we believe that abortion is wrong because abortion is when a human willfully ends the life of the fetus, or unborn baby, which was created by God. I ask for the pro-choice people to show empathy towards that point of view as well.

 

[Laodicean60]

Democrats are not calling to end no-fault divorce.

I was thinking more in line with the topic of unity. Since empathy could be in the eyes of the beholder and since you mention the other party here is my two cents.

One side is showing little empathy towards the needs of women, and it is not the Democrats.

Is there empathy for those who regret having an abortion? Is there empathy for the unborn child? Is there empathy for Christians who feel life is important and don't agree with ending unwanted pregnancies? I don't emphasize with the women who desire an abortion because most pregnancies are preventable. I call it personal responsibility and for one, I don't want my tax dollars to pay for that stuff. Allow a doctors to perform the procedure at the woman's expense. Her mistake.

Trans people?

I have empathy for their mental illness but what the government does to promote it as normal is wrong and these people need mental doctors not surgeons.

This is America, home of the Free to do what I please, to get what I please, to go where I please and if anybody gets in my way I will be in their face.

Sounds like liberty to me, and isn't both sides in your face these days.

Such a selfish lifestyle is a direct result of a capitalist society.

Is there a hint of selfishness with the people you mentioned?

 

[AlexB23]

I've voted for a non-Republican or Democrat presidential candidate three or four times. One thing the two major parties do well is keep others out of the picture. Empathy is a part of good moral values, and such values are of great importance to me. We've got problems with an entrenched corrupt establishment, and I include the media in that. Most people aren't going to deal directly with candidates and unfortunately rely on media portrayals. In our state we once had a U.S. senator who according to the media was a man of the people and was portrayed as a highly compassionate empathetic guy. There was a woman who was a victim in two incidents and she was promised a meeting by the senator (she ran into him at a ceremony for her husband and others who were killed in the line of duty). After trying to schedule a meeting with his office for I believe over a year she asked me to try and help. I was amazed by the attitude of his staff, they played him up as a great guy because he made those kinds of promises all of the time but, they said, of course was unable to keep all such promises. Unfortunately she wasn't in the newspapers so I suppose they saw no political gain. There was no way the vast majority of the public could know with the media regularly championing him.

Prayers for the woman who was a victim of the two incidents, her husband and others who were killed in the line of duty. Of course, senators fake their loyalty almost to the end, then, at the last second, he can stab others in the back and screw his citizens over. The mainstream media sadly does not care about everyday folks such as us.

Yes, the media is a major problem in these issues, and half the time, the media does not cite sources properly, or give a PDF link to US Law or a case. This is one of the reasons why I just downloaded the US Code and the Constitution on my computer today, which the privately-run artificial intelligence can scour over. So, if someone asks "is this legal", in around half-an-hour (cos my computer is slow, and all the artificial intelligence is run offline), the AI can spit out an answer, citing the US Code. Welcome to the mid-2020s, my friend.

 

[JustOneWay]

Immigration is polarizing. What’s missing is empathy, experts say ​

While immigration has been a political talking point in elections past, inflammatory rhetoric has skewed the narrative.

“I think President Trump's rhetoric has certainly increased the fear of foreign-born people,” said Uma Segal, Founders professor in the School of Social Work at the University of Missouri–St. Louis. “The reality is that the literature has shown that the crime committed by the foreign born is very low compared to the U.S. born. And among those who are unauthorized, it's even lower, because they're afraid of being found and sent back.”

“Empathy can move us in the right direction, in the sense of understanding the difference between an asylum seeker and an undocumented immigrant, understanding that the way in which immigrants are categorized gives them a certain set of choices that they can make and not make, understanding that they have many different identities that are stripped before they reach the United States,” said Udani. “Many of them are filmmakers, photographers, teachers, poets, and there's so many different stories that are taken away from them. But to understand that they want to have those here is the step in the right direction.”

 

[seeking.IAM]

Perhaps we could be more united if both parties could tone down the rhetoric, stop the mudslinging, and field less extreme and polarizing candidates. I would be all for that.

 

[Laodicean60]

“Empathy can move us in the right direction,

Empathy for people is good so if we care about those people we should avoid human trafficking. These people go to great lengths to travel here some even experience abuse and worse yet death.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I saw Bill O'Reilly and the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. They did not agree on anything. But they had fun together .
No one else can seem to do that.

 

[BCP1928]

Empathy for people is good so if we care about those people we should avoid human trafficking. These people go to great lengths to travel here some even experience abuse and worse yet death.

Empathy my foot. The Right doesn't care about illegals who sneak in to work. They can be exploited. Immigration wasn't a problem for the Right until people started fleeing failed states that our foreign policy helped ruin and asking for asylum. "Those brown people" (as the empathetic Governor Abbot calls them) get to stay until their asylum claims are heard and are protected by the same labor law as citizens. That's why Trump doesn't want more courts to hear the asylum claims, he wants to keep them out altogether, with a wall.

Now what's happening is that the cartels are recruiting and trafficking asylum seekers and have a nice little side business ferrying them across the no-man-s land next to our border that the Mexican government does not control. They are dumped there in the desert with no resources and no means of going back. What does your "empathy" suggest we do about it?

 

[Laodicean60]

Empathy my foot. The Right doesn't care about illegals who sneak in to work.

What are you talking about? Did I mention the right?

 

[BCP1928]

What are you talking about? Did I mention the right?

You brought up the idea of empathy for victims of human trafficking. Christian empathy would appear to involve letting them die in the desert.

 

[JustOneWay]

You brought up the idea of empathy for victims of human trafficking. Christian empathy would appear to involve letting them die in the desert.

Case in point

This is what was happening under republican leadership.

Aid volunteers found guilty of dropping off water, food for migrants in protected part of Arizona desert​

Empathize all you want, just don't help them survive 110 degree weather in the desert, especially in a protected part of the desert in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Laodicean60]

You brought up the idea of empathy for victims of human trafficking. Christian empathy would appear to involve letting them die in the desert.

No Christian empathy would be to build the wall as deterrence and provide immigration facilities throughout Mexico and Latin America and allow vetted 50K or more? a month and fly them to the USA to reception centers that have medical to check for infectious diseases or help with health problems, legal- green card, Medicaid, temporary housing, and teach them that you can't take a dump outside the Smithsonian that I witnessed last week, you know, teach them that most public buildings in America have restrooms.

 

[BCP1928]

No Christian empathy would be to build the wall as deterrence and provide immigration facilities throughout Mexico and Latin America and allow vetted 50K or more? a month and fly them to the USA to reception centers that have medical to check for infectious diseases or help with health problems, legal- green card,

Asylum claimants don't get green cards. They may apply for a green card after their asylum claims have been granted.

Medicaid, temporary housing, and teach them that you can't take a dump outside the Smithsonian that I witnessed last week, you know, teach them that most public buildings in America have restrooms.

You know that person was an asylum seeker? Or was he just one of "those brown people?"