A Key to Unity in American Politics

[JustOneWay]

All I see is someone making a threshold of off topic posts in what could be a lovely thread.

This is what hurts unity and empathy. I am disabled because I was abused but I know factually I would have rather read a thread on unity than all these many off topic posts.

The person who posted this thread did not make any comment to direct the conversation in any way, shape or form, so I helped myself to the information in the link and posed a question that if there is to be empathy between us, then why not empathize with women who are again being threatened with a loss of their rights due to right-wing take us back 50 years groups and possibly increase violence against women due to making them stay in a marriage with somebody they no longer trust to protect them. I posted links so feel free to read them.

Here is the direct quote from the OP link which was the basis of this topic. Did you read the attached article?

"During my time at this clinic, I led a group for survivors of domestic violence. One of my clients was a Christian woman who worked as a pediatrician. She came to my group after her husband beat her with a baseball bat, nearly killing her. She spent a long time in the hospital recovering, and while she was there, her pastor came to visit her. The pastor looked at her, body casts and all, and said, to my dismay, “Well, you married him, so you’ll have to stay with him.”
Thankfully, my client did not listen to his advice, and she was able to escape a relationship that probably would have killed her."

My post was completely on topic, whereas you posts concentrates on going after me, and not the topic. You are the one off topic.

 

[Vambram]

@JustOneWay

To be fair, I was hoping and desiring for the this thread to talk about various different topics, not just the topic of divorce and showing empathy about the differences of opinion and feelings concerning the very important issues about divorce. I am still sincerely hoping that my thread will discuss and share about how to show empathy towards differences of opinions, beliefs, and feelings about several different very important topics.

 

[JustOneWay]

@JustOneWay

To be fair, I was hoping and desiring for the this thread to talk about various different topics, not just the topic of divorce and showing empathy about the differences of opinion and feelings concerning the very important issues about divorce. I am still sincerely hoping that my thread will discuss and share about how to show empathy towards differences of opinions, beliefs, and feelings about several different very important topics.

It helps when creating a thread to make some kind of directing statement to guide the discussion. Maybe next time you will do that.

I posted information directly from your post and centered on the divorce issue to make it about empathy for women in real time diminishing their rights to break free from an abusive relationship, and it was mostly dismissed. It was a short read and I believe empathy is very important. Apparently some people prefer helping to alleviate men's hurt feelings over the safety of their wives.

 

[rjs330]

What about a marriage where they don't love each other? How does that not qualify as a loveless marriage? People can't be forced to be in love.

They loved each other in the beginning. They had already fallen in love thats why they got married.

 

[rjs330]

All I see is someone making a threshold of off topic posts in what could be a lovely thread.

This is what hurts unity and empathy. I am disabled because I was abused but I know factually I would have rather read a thread on unity than all these many off topic posts.

I'm not going to participate any more.in off topic conversations in this thread. Thanks for getting us on track.

 

[rjs330]

It helps when creating a thread to make some kind of directing statement to guide the discussion. Maybe next time you will do that.

I posted information directly from your post and centered on the divorce issue to make it about empathy for women in real time diminishing their rights to break free from an abusive relationship, and it was mostly dismissed. It was a short read and I believe empathy is very important. Apparently some people prefer helping to alleviate men's hurt feelings over the safety of their wives.

I whole heartedly agree. It doesn't have to be all or nothing when talking about unity. I think we have lost that in America. I'm am probably guilty as well.

I think there is a place for empathy and compromise for just about any issue that deals with a subject that has become political.

Take divorce as an example only. It doesn't have to be get divorced whenever you want to for whatever reason you want to. It also doesn't have to be no divorce for any reason.

There is a lack of empathy in both positions. A lack of empathy for children in the no fault divorce position and a lack of empathy for everyone in the no divorce for any reason position.

I feel there can be a compromise where we recognize that harm is done people in both scenarios. To say there isn't is not empathetic.

We have become an all or nothing society on so many issues that we have lost the ability to see anything on the other side of value and in all sides people are involved.

 

[BCP1928]

Take divorce as an example only. It doesn't have to be get divorced whenever you want to for whatever reason you want to. It also doesn't have to be no divorce for any reason.

Why not? You can get married for whatever reason you want to. In any case, It's a civil contract that is being dissolved. A civil contract not very different legally from a business partnership which may be dissolved at any time by mutual consent. The religious aspects of the marriage are not pertinent to the civil divorce and there is no reason to deny no-fault divorce to non Christians.

There is a lack of empathy in both positions. A lack of empathy for children in the no fault divorce position and a lack of empathy for everyone in the no divorce for any reason position.

There is apparently no empathy on your part for the people who think that if a divorce is unavoidable, an amicable split is better than a messy court fight. As to how much "harm to children" there is, that is matter that must be considered on a case-by-case basis and won't be helped by conjuring up some arbitrary "faults" which must be proven in civil court So we'll be back to the days of private detectives and paid correspondents. Of course, that would be expensive, and I see a pattern emerging. De facto no fault divorce will always be available to the rich, but you would make it much harder to come by for the working class.

I feel there can be a compromise where we recognize that harm is done people in both scenarios. To say there isn't is not empathetic.

We have become an all or nothing society on so many issues that we have lost the ability to see anything on the other side of value and in all sides people are involved.

 

[Hazelelponi]

. In any case, It's a civil contract that is being dissolved. A civil contract not very different legally from a business partnership which may be dissolved at any time by mutual consent.

Actually when we make laws it's about laws in the public interest.

It's actually in the public interest to have children raised in two parent families. Children raised by single moms are less likely to finish high school, less likely to go to college and more likely to go to jail at some point in their lives.

Therefore, making sure that any divorces that occur are occuring for unavoidable reasons is in the public interest...

It's a good thing to see if counselling and other methods of reconciliation will be helpful first when children are involved.

 

[rjs330]

Actually when we make laws it's about laws in the public interest.

It's actually in the public interest to have children raised in two parent families. Children raised by single moms are less likely to finish high school, less likely to go to college and more likely to go to jail at some point in their lives.

Therefore, making sure that any divorces that occur are occuring for unavoidable reasons is in the public interest...

It's a good thing to see if counselling and other methods of reconciliation will be helpful first when children are involved.

Absolutely. This is about empathy for the children involved who are harmed in this process and the further damage it does to society and further harm ensues.

Focusing only on the adults eshews empathy for kids.

Unity means we don't have to agree on everything but are willing to compromise on almost everything that comes into the political realm.

Polarization and division is where we are. And I honestly would like it to stop. The attempt to kill Trump and the ball out from that has really convinced me we, I, need to do better.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Polarization and division is where we are. And I honestly would like it to stop. The attempt to kill Trump and the ball out from that has really convinced me we, I, need to do better.

Me too my friend, me too.

 

[BCP1928]

Actually when we make laws it's about laws in the public interest.

It's actually in the public interest to have children raised in two parent families.

Yes, it is.

Children raised by single moms are less likely to finish high school, less likely to go to college and more likely to go to jail at some point in their lives.

Yes, they are. But perhaps their moms were never married in the first place, perhaps didn't want to marry, so changing the divorce policy doesn't seem like it would help those cases much.

Therefore, making sure that any divorces that occur are occuring for unavoidable reasons is in the public interest..

How are we going to decide what the reasons should be?

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It's a good thing to see if counselling and other methods of reconciliation will be helpful first when children are involved.

The usual first step towards a no-fault divorce.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes, it is.

Yes, they are. But perhaps their moms were never married in the first place, perhaps didn't want to marry, so changing the divorce policy doesn't seem like it would help those cases much.

How are we going to decide what the reasons should be?

The usual first step towards a no-fault divorce.

I just want to point out that divorce itself is a state issue, I haven't read through this thread but there's no plan by anyone to try and federalize that.

I do think that some states have slightly stricter laws on divorce, Virginia is one example, but I don't see it as an issue for anyone here. It's the way they have chosen to live.

I would certainly look into any potential laws, as a general rule I'm against federalization of too much.

If I had a vote on divorce laws I would choose for a more in depth process especially when children are involved, but it's neither here nor there because there's no policy proposal changes that I'm aware of.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Personally, I think neither side care for Unity. I think both sides are very extreme. Conservative side is being sneaky about controlling people . While Liberals supporters are to extreme.

 

[Larniavc]

They loved each other in the beginning. They had already fallen in love thats why they got married.

But they don’t love each other now. So the marriage is currently loveless.