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  1. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

    If you open with a false statement like this, no good can follow. I didn't bother reading any further - what is false, is all false.
  2. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

    Suit yourself.:oldthumbsup:
  3. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

    That is what I was told by my former pastors.
    They said...
    "It is not a salvation issue.".

    That is a true statement when it comes to Christians.
    However, very few understand why modern Dispensational Theology needs to get the Church off of the planet 7 years before the return of Christ.

    The original form of the doctrine taught by Darby, Scofield, and Larkin claimed that God would deal with the modern State of Israel under the Old Covenant system, during the tribulation period.

    From the Scofield Reference Bible

    Revelation 14:6


    Gospel. This great theme may be summarized as follows:

    I. In itself, the word Gospel means good news.

    II. Four forms of the Gospel are to be distinguished:

    (1) The Gospel of the kingdom. This is the good news that God purposes to set up on the earth, in fulfilment of the Davidic Covenant: (2Sa_7:16): a kingdom, political, spiritual, Israelitish, universal, over which God's Son, David's heir, shall be King, and which shall be, for one thousand years, the manifestation of the righteousness of God in human affairs.

    (See Scofield) - (Mat_3:2).

    Two preachings of this Gospel are mentioned, one past, beginning with the ministry of John the Baptist, continued by our Lord and His disciples, and ending with the Jewish rejection of the King. The other is yet future (Mat_24:14) during the great tribulation, and immediately preceding the coming of the King in glory.

    (2) The Gospel of the grace of God. This is the good news that Jesus Christ, the rejected King, has died on the cross for the sins of the world, that He was raised from the dead for our justification, and that, by Him, all that believe are justified from all things. This form of the Gospel is described in many ways. It is the Gospel...

    "of God" (Rom_1:1) because it originates in His love;

    "of Christ" (2Co_10:14) because it flows from His sacrifice, and because He is the alone Object of Gospel faith;

    of the "grace of God" (Act_20:24) because it saves those whom the law curses;

    of "the glory"; (1Ti_1:11); (2Co_4:4) because it concerns Him who is in the glory, and who is bringing the many sons to glory; (Heb_2:10);

    of "our salvation" (Eph_1:13) because it is the "power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"; (Rom_1:16);

    of "the uncircumcision" (Gal_2:7) because it saves wholly apart from forms and ordinances of "peace" (Eph_6:15) because through Christ it makes peace between the sinner and God, and imparts inward peace.

    (3) The everlasting Gospel. (Rev_14:6). This is to be preached to the earth-dwellers at the very end of the great tribulation and immediately preceding the judgment of the nations (Mat_15:31). It is neither the Gospel of the kingdom, nor of grace. Though its burden is judgment, not salvation, it is good news to Israel and to those who, during the tribulation, have been saved; (Rev_7:9-14); (Luk_21:28); (Psa_96:11-13); (Isa_35:4-10).

    (4) That which Paul calls, "my Gospel" (Rom_2:16). This is the Gospel of the grace of God in its fullest development, but includes the revelation of the result of that Gospel in the outcalling of the church, her relationships, position, privileges, and responsibility. It is the distinctive truth of Ephesians and Colossians, but interpenetrates all of Paul's writings.

    III. There is "another Gospel" (Gal_1:6); (2Co_11:4) "which is not another," but a perversion of the Gospel of the grace of God, against which we are warned. It has many seductive forms, but the test is one -- it invariably denies the sufficiency of grace alone to save, keep, and perfect, and mingles with grace some kind of human merit. In Galatia it was law, in Colosse fanaticism (Col_2:18); etc. In any form, its teachers lie under the awful anathema of God.


    (See Scofield) - (Heb_1:4).


    The problem is that the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13, and the New Covenant is "everlasting" in Hebrews 13:20.
    Therefore, God is not going to end the age of the New Covenant before the Second Coming of Christ.

    The Olive Tree of Romans 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelite and Gentile branches. Paul said those broken off of the tree can be grafted back, through faith in Christ. Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the Church, as Dispensationalists claim. There is no Plan B.

    Thousands of people around the world have not been presented with the New Covenant Gospel, which makes the whole Bible a book about Jesus Christ.

    The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.

    Jer_31:31  "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

    Mat_26:28  For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Mar_14:24  And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

    Luk_22:20  Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

    1Co_11:25  In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

    2Co_3:6  who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.


    Heb_8:13  In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    Heb_9:15  And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

    Heb_12:24  to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


  4. Waggles

    Waggles Acts 2:38 Supporter

    Read Exodus.
    Egypt versus the Children of Israel residing in Goshen amid the Egyptians.
    And so it will be the same again in these last of last days.
    As the world burns and is shaken the plagues and destruction will come on the "Egyptians" and
    the Children of Israel (the children of promise) will be spared and protected by the Holy Spirit.

    God [both Jesus and our Father] desires all to come to salvation. And during this worldwide
    catastrophe of nuclear war and Armageddon we must still serve the gospel and our Lord.
    And in doing so many many more people will embrace the gospel of salvation up to the very last
    day before the trumpet sounds.

    Read Psalm 91, it is for us.
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2017
  5. Robert76

    Robert76 Robert

    United States
    Thank you for the reference to Psalm 91, how the word of the Lord satisfies the soul!
  6. Open Heart

    Open Heart Well-Known Member

    United States
    Before we think about uniting on the rapture, I think a much more pressing issue is unification on whether we believe in Sola Scriptura, or whether we accept Church Authority as well as Scripture.