A flat earth

[AV1611VET]

The Bible informs the earth is flat...

Do the Arctic Circle and the Bermuda Triangle* make the earth look like a dunce cap?

... and the Church Fathers, and earliest Christians were all in agreement the earth was flat as well.

All?

Does that include Jesus, Himself, Who described it as a pearl?

When you say 'earliest Christians', are you referring to the Christians at Antioch?

And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

* In the original Hebrew, that is.

 

[AV1611VET]

I second that

Good --- you can help him out with the answers then, please?

 

[Asycthian]

Do the Arctic Circle and the Bermuda Triangle* make the earth look like a dunce cap?

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All?

From what i have collected from ancient sources, yes. In fact, everyone agreed with this, until only around 20 years ago - it changed.

Atheists or liberal (non-literalist) Christians then started to write books saying the ancients didn't believe the earth was flat. Most notebly Jeffrey Burton Russell's Inventing the Flat Earth (1991), books like these are just compiled lies.

Does that include Jesus, Himself, Who described it as a pearl?

Jesus was a flat earth believer. I have numerous scriptural evidences.

Where does he describe the earth as a ''pearl''?

Looks like you may be wrongly interpreting Mat. xiii. 45.

When you say 'earliest Christians', are you referring to the Christians at Antioch?

I'm referring to the Apostles, and all the earliest Christians until the 3rd or 4th century. All, or nearlly all believed the earth was flat.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Asycthian,

I'm a little puzzled. It appears that you are confirming that you are, in fact, a flat-earther. Am I reading you right?

 

[Asycthian]

Asycthian,

I'm a little puzzled. It appears that you are confirming that you are, in fact, a flat-earther. Am I reading you right?

I reject the idea that the earth is moving, since the scripture says it shall not move. Ps xciii. 1 ''thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm'', this is also repeated in 1 Chr xvi. 30.

The mainstream view of the earth is that it is a rotating globe. This is against scripture, so i would be against it. However i have not researched other matters to the full extent, and am only in the process of doing so, so i would just call myself a researcher of the flat earth idea, but I am against the idea of the earth as a 'globe' for definate.

 

[Chesterton]

I reject the idea that the earth is moving, since the scripture says it shall not move. Ps xciii. 1 ''thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm'', this is also repeated in 1 Chr xvi. 30.

Since Jesus said he was the True Vine, Jesus must be a green plant?

 

[AV1611VET]

I reject the idea that the earth is moving, since the scripture says it shall not move. Ps xciii. 1 ''thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm'', this is also repeated in 1 Chr xvi. 30.

Are we supposed to be "unmoveable" as well?

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

 

[Meshach]

Since Jesus said he was the True Vine, Jesus must be a green plant?

A plant? I thought Jesus was some kind of Rock?

Deut 32:31
For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

[Split Rock]

I reject the idea that the earth is moving, since the scripture says it shall not move. Ps xciii. 1 ''thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm'', this is also repeated in 1 Chr xvi. 30.

The mainstream view of the earth is that it is a rotating globe. This is against scripture, so i would be against it. However i have not researched other matters to the full extent, and am only in the process of doing so, so i would just call myself a researcher of the flat earth idea, but I am against the idea of the earth as a 'globe' for definate.

I suspect you are Poeing us, but I have to ask a question. Isn't it obvious that the surface of the earth is curved? What is the last part of a departing ship to disapear under the horizon?

 

[Asycthian]

Since Jesus said he was the True Vine, Jesus must be a green plant?

This is a parable, as stated in the scripture. Matthew xiii. 10-17 states Jesus spoke sometimes in parables: ''this is why i speak to them in parables''.

This has nothing to do with with OT, where in Psalms, it is repeatedly stated the earth shall not move.

Psalms is not a book of parables.

 

[Asycthian]

Are we supposed to be "unmoveable" as well?

This passage isn't concerned with creation.

You seem to have a major problem at understanding the context of passages. the ''unmovable'' in 1co xv. 12 relates to not being turned aside by others. The context is not physical, but mental.

The fact is the Bible repeats that the earth isn't to move, it is to be kept stationary, the foundations shall never be moved. This is repeated throughout Psalms, i can give you more quotes if you like as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

This passage isn't concerned with creation.

Good deal --- let's stick to the Creation Week then.

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

It would be kinda hard to have years w/o an earth revolving around the sun, would it not?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Good deal --- let's stick to the Creation Week then.It would be kinda hard to have years w/o an earth revolving around the sun, would it not?

not at all -- people believed in years long before they accepted that the Earth moved around the Sun.

 

[Asycthian]

I suspect you are Poeing us, but I have to ask a question. Isn't it obvious that the surface of the earth is curved? What is the last part of a departing ship to disapear under the horizon?

You are using an outdated, and already debunked ''round earth proof''. Samuel Rowbotham, dedicated an entire section of his work on this, which you can search for on the net. In short, it's explained by the law of perspective. It is not evidence that the earth is curving.

Your next reply, most probably will be of pasted photos from NASA etc which show the earth as a round globe. This is all anti-flat-earther's have, and when that fails, they resort to the ''poe'' or ''troll'' claim (i already see you doing that here). There is simply no evidence against the belief in a flat earth. NASA photos etc are not evidence, since you would then have to prove they are real.

Why are people so obsessed with being anti-flat earth? The answer, is because Atheists are scared of a God watching them, so they rather believe in the round earth or globe concept i.e the earth is in a universe which stretches billions of miles or is infinate with other celestial bodies, rather then the belief in a flat earth and heavens with God.

As noted i'm only a researcher on this. However as a Christian, i reject the Atheistic invention of the round spinning earth and ''space'', since the scripture certianly is against these ideas.

 

[Ellinas]

You are using an outdated, and already debunked ''round earth proof''. Samuel Rowbotham, dedicated an entire section of his work on this, which you can search for on the net. In short, it's explained by the law of perspective. It is not evidence that the earth is curving.

Your next reply, most probably will be of pasted photos from NASA etc which show the earth as a round globe. This is all anti-flat-earther's have, and when that fails, they resort to the ''poe'' or ''troll'' claim (i already see you doing that here). There is simply no evidence against the belief in a flat earth. NASA photos etc are not evidence, since you would then have to prove they are real.

Why are people so obsessed with being anti-flat earth? The answer, is because Atheists are scared of a God watching them, so they rather believe in the round earth or globe concept i.e the earth is in a universe which stretches billions of miles or is infinate with other celestial bodies, rather then the belief in a flat earth and heavens with God.

As noted i'm only a researcher on this. However as a Christian, i reject the Atheistic invention of the round spinning earth and ''space'', since the scripture certianly is against these ideas.

Have you ever seen a ship on the horizon? The mast or funnel or watchtower are the last to disappear.
A flat earth is not possible! Dear me what next???????

 

[Asycthian]

Good deal --- let's stick to the Creation Week then.It would be kinda hard to have years w/o an earth revolving around the sun, would it not?

Time is based on a unit of measurement based on the sun, yes i agree, but not that the earth moves around the sun. The Bible states the sun moves around the earth, and has a chamber within the firmament. I don't have time to list these passages out now, but they are certianly there.

What became known as 'Heliocentrism' (invented by Atheists) was the idea the earth moved around sun.

Heliocentrics were burnt at the stake 500 years ago, and the idea the earth moves around the sun is anti-biblical.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Have you ever seen a ship on the horizon? The mast or funnel or watchtower are the last to disappear.
A flat earth is not possible! Dear me what next???????

Don't worry about it -- he's yanking our chains.

 

[Split Rock]

You are using an outdated, and already debunked ''round earth proof''. Samuel Rowbotham, dedicated an entire section of his work on this, which you can search for on the net. In short, it's explained by the law of perspective. It is not evidence that the earth is curving.

Sorry, but perspective makes things appear smaller, not fall below the hoizon.

Nice, Poe, though.

 

[AV1611VET]

not at all -- people believed in years long before they accepted that the Earth moved around the Sun.

They were wrong too, weren't they?

Evidence can certainly lead to the wrong conclusion, can it not?

 

[Nathan Poe]

They were wrong too, weren't they?

Indeed they were -- but they were still able to figure out how long a year was. (The changing seasons was a clue)

Evidence can certainly lead to the wrong conclusion, can it not?

Which is why you don't believe in evidence -- we know, AV.