Is it any less of a wonder that a biologically produced universe creates biology as an inherent, internal, natural process?
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Possibly either one or both at some level, but it's just really amazing that something like that happens in our godless, natural universe. Just keep in mind that not everything that is amazing to the human mind must have some intelligent purpose as an explanation. A flock of birds may move in startlingly complex ways, but there is no intelligent designer of flocks.
eudaimonia,
Mark
If you are interested, I will show you exactly how I arrived at these answers.
Is it any less of a wonder that a biologically produced universe creates biology as an inherent, internal, natural process?
Scientists like throwing dice?
What if I could show you a metaversal model where each and every single one of the infinite and growing number of universes are finely tuned or life to appear. They are all fine tuned by extremely specific geometric reasons that predict the dark energy constant and the dark matter ratio, right on the money.
Would that be more preferable to a scientist?
Then bid good-bye to the fine tuning argument.
Roger Penrose considered all the possible configurations of the inflaton and gravitational fields. Some of these configurations lead to inflation ... Other configurations lead to a uniform, flat universe directly without inflation. Obtaining a flat universe is unlikely overall. Penrose's shocking conclusion, though, was that obtaining a flat universe without inflation is much more likely than with inflation by a factor of 10 to the googol (10 to the 100) power!"[101][102]
Why? Even based on your own cosmology claims, 10 to the 100th power is pretty "fine tuned".
A tidbit:
Our galaxy is somewhere near the center of the universe:
Our Galaxy near the centre of concentric spherical shells of galaxies? | John Gideon Hartnett
Another tidbit:
Every single galaxy that exists can make the same claim.
Are we at the Center of the Universe?
Center of the Universe
If you had such a robust model with such accurate predictive capability, you would be teaching it at ivy league universities while waving with nobel prizes instead of preaching about it on an irrelevant religious forum.
Funny you talk about a fine tuned universe.
Here in Sydney it's been raining a bit recently, and this afternoon I saw a puddle while out and about. After thinking for a moment, I realised that the water that sat in the little hole was the EXACT shape needed to perfectly fill the hole. This was too great a coincidence to attribute to mere chance. I now know there is an intelligent puddle-designer out there. I've never seen him, and I have no actual evidence for his existence, b ut I know he exists because it is the only logical explanation for the existence of holes which so perfectly fit the water that is deposited into them.
I'm sure you can think of a better strawman.
"Fine tunning" is misleading anyway when the situation is "harmonic tuning": The constants are in harmonic relationship with each other, not "tuned individually"
An example would be the colors pulled out of white light, simultaneously, in order and proper proportion. There are several "fine tuned" relationships that all have to be just right.
Yes I believe the universe was created perfectly by God but not in a mental, "intelligent design", projective, male manner. The perfectly harmonic tuning of constants comes from a biological contractive function. It is fundamentally a female action. The universe is held within the original organism (Mother Father God) that issues it...and develops it.
The universe is a womb developing an embryo.
I cant see the first link. The second link has nothing on the concentric shells around their galaxies.
Irrelevant. It is discussing how the fact that we see all the other galaxies moving away from us doesn't mean that we are the center of the universe.
I'll quote the relevant section for you:
Astronomers and physicists interpret the result that all distant galaxies are flying away from us as evidence for the uniform expansion of the Universe. In this case, any observer, at any location in the Universe, observes the same general motion: that the further a galaxy is from us, the faster its relative velocity with respect to the observer is. The famous (and very illustrative) example of this is to imagine a loaf of raisin bread as it is baking. The raisins in the bread spread away from one another as the loaf rises and expands during the baking. Pick any raisin and pretend you are standing on it (you're very small now!) and measuring the rate at which the other raisins are moving away from you. You will find that, no matter which raisin you choose, all other raisins appear to be moving away from you, with the furthest raisins receding the fastest.
Actually i believe it is you that is being irrelevant here. This is not about galaxies moving away. It is about the "arc shapes" of clusters of galaxies around our galaxy.
And would you care to explain why these concentric rings of galaxies can only be concentric around the center of the universe?
Also, can you provide a non-religious source for this. I'm concerned there is a bias in your source.
Because if it isnt near the center of the universe you would get reverse arcs on one side. As for a non religious source, the images are from a non religious source on a religious website. They are unedited. Make your mind up based on the images.
Please support your claim that "if it isnt near the center of the universe you would get reverse arcs on one side". Because it seems to me that you are assuming your conclusion in order to reach your conclusion.
After all, if you look at the wheels on my car, then there are concentric circles on them, but they aren't in the center of my car.
And I'm not disputing the images. I'm disputing your claims about what the images represent. Show me a non-religious, scientific site that claims that these concentric rings are caused by the universe expanding out from a central point.
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