A few bad eggs

[InSpiritInTruth]

The Federal government is simply recognizing the "legal" status of homosexuals, not the religious status. The government will recognize gay marriage they cannot force Churches to do the same.

Just because they haven't yet, does not mean they won't try in the future.

 

[Yarddog]

Just because they haven't yet, does not mean they won't try in the future.

They will have to change the Constitution first. Until then, have a little faith and don't fear what someone "may" try in the future.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

They will have to change the Constitution first. Until then, have a little faith and don't fear what someone "may" try in the future.

Changing laws and redefining the constitution is what they've been doing, so that's not a big hurdle for em to cross. And don't start with the "no faith" only "fearful" insinuations you always resort to; I am not fearful of what they may, or may not do, just as I have plenty of faith in what God says is coming.

 

[Yarddog]

Changing laws and redefining the constitution is what they've been doing,

They haven't redefined the constitution yet. They have added amendments to it to protect those which the spirit of the Declaration and Constitution called for.

so that's not a big hurdle for em to cross.

It's an extremely large chasm to cross.

And don't start with the "no faith" only "fearful" insinuations you always resort to; I am not fearful of what they may, or may not do, just as I have plenty of faith in what God says is coming.

Then don't start whining with the "Just because they haven't yet, does not mean they won't try in the future" type of post as did. That is fear and lack of faith. People just don't recognize what is going on in your spirit when they worry about what may happen.

Nothing which SCOTUS has done takes away from the Churches right to set their own belief system.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

They haven't redefined the constitution yet.

I guess some people are blind to it.

 

[Yarddog]

I guess some people are blind to it.

Hopefully you will start to see.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hopefully you will start to see.

I see what's coming, as the Lord also said it would be.

Tell me Yardpup; If the Government mandates contraceptive benefits on the Catholic church, will you then believe the government is redefining the Constitution?

Religion re-enters ObamaCare debate as Sotomayor delays contraceptive mandate | Fox News

 

[Psalm 91]

They haven't redefined the constitution yet. They have added amendments to it to protect those which the spirit of the Declaration and Constitution called for.


It's an extremely large chasm to cross.


Then don't start whining with the "Just because they haven't yet, does not mean they won't try in the future" type of post as did. That is fear and lack of faith. People just don't recognize what is going on in your spirit when they worry about what may happen.

Nothing which SCOTUS has done takes away from the Churches right to set their own belief system.

Yarddog, you are so unaware of everything that is happening because you only read the newspaper or go to government websites and watch mainstream news. None of those are accurate. They are lying! It's so hard to read your posts because you are so uninformed and you don't want to be informed. You live like our government CARES about people! Please wake up! It's difficult to read your posts because you stand by and protect the government and believe whatever you are told by the mainstream media. You believe fact check sites and mainstream articles. It's really sad, especially at this late date. Sure, there are alternative sites that are rabidly posting news that isn't news before they check it out, but it happens less often than the mainstream intentionally reports the words of the president which are all lies. If he's confronted as he was with Bill O'Reilly, he lies as when he said there is not a "smidgeon" of corruption in the IRS. Please get with the program or you're going to get the shock of your life one of these days.

I used to be afraid. I knew something was up but I didn't know exactly what. I always felt a tension. I almost moved out of state just before Obama got re-elected. I just didn't know what to do. Now Obama has proven himself to be a liar. I've studied a lot more from Christians and I feel so much more informed. I know what is coming and I'm no longer afraid. I know now why the Bible says "My people perish for lack of knowledge". If you haven't sought the Lord and questioned Him about what is going on, you'll continue in a blinded state. We have to seek His answers and study what the Word of God says about what is going to happen here in "Mystery Babylon".

 

[Yarddog]

I see what's coming, as the Lord also said it would be.

Tell me Yardpup; If the Government mandates contraceptive benefits on the Catholic church, will you then believe the government is redefining the Constitution?

The government cannot force Christians to believe or teach that contraceptives are acceptable to God. That is against the Constitution. The Constitution provides the freedom of religion to which the government cannot establish a religion but the government also has the constitutional obligation to protect all Americans from religion. Religions are not free to do as they please.

The government also knows that it cannot force the Catholic Church to provide contraceptives for its employees but what they are doing and which is in litigation is the government forcing the insurance companies which the Catholic Church uses to provide for that coverage, if the employee chooses to use them. The Catholic Church would not have to pay for any of those benefits so this administration seems to feel that makes it okay.

That is an entirely different circumstance than which you have put forth, though. Of course, the subject is complicated as to what organizations affiliated with the Catholic Church may have to provide the service if it is found constitutional.

 

[Yarddog]

Yarddog, you are so unaware of everything that is happening because you only read the newspaper or go to government websites and watch mainstream news.

You really need to get some help with your paranoia and stop reading all of those alternative web sites which only lie to you.

If you haven't sought the Lord and questioned Him about what is going on, you'll continue in a blinded state.

What makes you think that I don't have God's Holy Spirit at work in me. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit long ago and search the Spirit daily. I don't believe anything that I read just because it is in print.

I don't trust main stream media sources from MSNBC to FOX News. I don't trust ABC, NBC, CBS either and I surely don't trust those right wing media pundits like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, etc... nor liberal pundits.

We have to seek His answers and study what the Word of God says about what is going to happen here in "Mystery Babylon".

Scripture says a lot about what is going to happen but it doesn't when it is going to happen. It may happen as soon as I post this or it may not happen for another thousand years. You and no other person alive can know when it will happen as Jesus stated, "Only the Father knows".

You may think that you are being faithful but if you see things which do not exist "yet" you are not being faithful.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The government cannot force Christians to believe or teach that contraceptives are acceptable to God. That is against the Constitution.

So if the government dictates the catholic churches actions concerning funding contraceptives thru coercion and fines for not complying, then that doesn't violate the separation of church and state in your view?

Is it only when they try to change your beliefs it's unconstitutional, or when they try to force their beliefs on the catholic church?

I guess it's all in how you define it, or redefine it huh?

 

[Psalm 91]

You really need to get some help with your paranoia and stop reading all of those alternative web sites which only lie to you.



What makes you think that I don't have God's Holy Spirit at work in me. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit long ago and search the Spirit daily. I don't believe anything that I read just because it is in print.

I don't trust main stream media sources from MSNBC to FOX News. I don't trust ABC, NBC, CBS either and I surely don't trust those right wing media pundits like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, etc... nor liberal pundits.


Scripture says a lot about what is going to happen but it doesn't when it is going to happen. It may happen as soon as I post this or it may not happen for another thousand years. You and no other person alive can know when it will happen as Jesus stated, "Only the Father knows".

You may think that you are being faithful but if you see things which do not exist "yet" you are not being faithful.

It cannot take a thousand years unless God changes His mind because Israel became a state in 1948. That was a major prophetic event. I realize that the Catholic Church doesn't care about prophecy nor teach it so you may not realize that.

We are experiencing the signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of and there are, whether you want to believe it or not, more earthquakes and extreme weather incidents altogether than before. I don't know if you realize this but our government is spying on us. What I am typing right now is probably being embedded in the FBI database. There are cameras everywhere and thankfully, Edward Snowden outed the NSA. But people are still snoring and you call me paranoid. I'd be paranoid MAYBE if these things weren't actually happening. Do you realize that there are many Russian soldiers here? Supposedly they are "training" with the U.S. Right. Do your realize that your president is killing innocent people in the Middle East with drones? Do you realize that the IRS is targeting conservatives and Tea Party members for auditing while your president lies on national tv and says there is not one smidgeon of corruption in the IRS. Do you actually believe that Andrew Breitbart just "died" while he was out walking his dog one night? Oh, I forgot. You believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy.

I could go on and on. You aren't what you call "paranoid" because you never ask any questions. You take the formula that is being fed to you and just go to sleep like a baby.

What is the saying? "The only way for evil to succeed is if good men stand by and do nothing"? I'm not afraid of honesty. I may be in a situation where I can't do anything but I want to know all that is going on and what is being planned. And now that I know, to see you continue to not care is so sad to me.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That line of separation between church and state seems to be getting blurred a lot nowadays.

Religion Clause: In Fragmented Decision, Washington Supreme Court Finds Discrimination Exemption For Religious Non-Profits Unconstitutional As Applied

Hmmm, I wonder where this might be heading?

 

[Yarddog]

So if the government dictates the catholic churches actions concerning funding contraceptives thru coercion and fines for not complying, then that doesn't violate the separation of church and state in your view?

First off, the government isn't dictating to the Catholic Church actions concerning funding for contraceptives. Churches will not be required to fund contraceptives. Certain organization affiliated with the Church may have to provide the insurance though but that is still up in the air to see if SCOTUS would rule that those do not violate the separation.

Is it only when they try to change your beliefs it's unconstitutional, or when they try to force their beliefs on the catholic church?

The Constitution protects the religious freedom of all Americans but that doesn't mean that Americans can do as their religion calls them to do. Any Church which may have a doctrine which violates a state or federal law must adhere to that law. That is not a violation of the 1st Amendment.

In a SCOTUS case in 1862 the court upheld a bigamy charge against a Mormon. They said, "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices."

This means that the government cannot tell religions what to believe but they can govern what religions do. This is what I have been saying all along and what many can't through their heads.

In the case involving the CC and contraception coverage, the Court must decide if a organization affiliated with the Church can be mandated to provide the coverage.

 

[Yarddog]

We are experiencing the signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of and there are, whether you want to believe it or not, more earthquakes and extreme weather incidents altogether than before.

Not according to scientist. Earthquakes are not increasing, our ability to detect them is getting far better.

I don't know if you realize this but our government is spying on us.

And? It has been for a long time.

What I am typing right now is probably being embedded in the FBI database.

I seriously doubt that unless you mean logged away in all of the billions and billions of bytes of data stored in a NSA super computer. You shouldn't worry any unless you are writing about blowing something up. They couldn't care less what else you may be typing.

There are cameras everywhere and thankfully, Edward Snowden outed the NSA.

I'm glad for both. Only people who are doing something illegal should worry about law enforcement agencies.

But people are still snoring and you call me paranoid.

Well, you do give them plenty of reasons to do so.

Do you realize that there are many Russian soldiers here?

Yep.

Supposedly they are "training" with the U.S. Right.

That is right. Anti-terrorism stuff.

Do your realize that your president is killing innocent people in the Middle East with drones?

Mistakes of war will occur.

Do you realize that the IRS is targeting conservatives and Tea Party members for auditing while your president lies on national tv and says there is not one smidgeon of corruption in the IRS.

I haven't heard him say what you claim. Please provide the clip. The IRS did target special groups seeking a tax free status of which most were right wingers but there were liberal groups also checked out. I haven't seen anything about auditing them though. You probably got the two incidents mixed up.

Do you actually believe that Andrew Breitbart just "died" while he was out walking his dog one night?

Yep. There are no indications to show anything else. His close friend confirmed that he had had a heart attack just a few months before his death. He had also been diagnosed with an enlarged heart so dying of heart failure was a given.

Oh, I forgot. You believe that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy.

Yep, that's an easy one as well. All of the evidence points at Oswald.

I could go on and on. You aren't what you call "paranoid" because you never ask any questions. You take the formula that is being fed to you and just go to sleep like a baby.

No, I examine the evidence and make a sound judgment based only on the evidence and facts.

And now that I know, to see you continue to not care is so sad to me.

I see you have no ability of discernment because you don't know me in the slightest manner. What I don't do is jump on every fool's pitch which comes my way. I take things and shake them up to see what comes out.

 

[Psalm 91]

Not according to scientist. Earthquakes are not increasing, our ability to detect them is getting far better.


And? It has been for a long time.


I seriously doubt that unless you mean logged away in all of the billions and billions of bytes of data stored in a NSA super computer. You shouldn't worry any unless you are writing about blowing something up. They couldn't care less what else you may be typing.

I'm glad for both. Only people who are doing something illegal should worry about law enforcement agencies.

Well, you do give them plenty of reasons to do so.

Yep.

That is right. Anti-terrorism stuff.

Mistakes of war will occur.


I haven't heard him say what you claim. Please provide the clip. The IRS did target special groups seeking a tax free status of which most were right wingers but there were liberal groups also checked out. I haven't seen anything about auditing them though. You probably got the two incidents mixed up.


Yep. There are no indications to show anything else. His close friend confirmed that he had had a heart attack just a few months before his death. He had also been diagnosed with an enlarged heart so dying of heart failure was a given.


Yep, that's an easy one as well. All of the evidence points at Oswald.

No, I examine the evidence and make a sound judgment based only on the evidence and facts.

I see you have no ability of discernment because you don't know me in the slightest manner. What I don't do is jump on every fool's pitch which comes my way. I take things and shake them up to see what comes out.

Oh, brother. I'm not going to let myself get into this with you EVER again. It is just too frustrating. You don't examine any evidence ever. You just agree with the mainstream media because every judgement you make goes along with the mainstream. You don't use your own brain at all. No offense, I don't mean to be so critical but for an intelligent person to be so gullible is very upsetting. If I post a clip from O'Reilly's interview with Obama, you'll just agree with Obama. It's a waste of time. You always defend him and believe him. He's been caught lying and you still believe him. Going along with the "story" concerning Andrew Breitbart's death and autopsy is a perfect example of your naivete. He was an enemy of Obama (in fact, I think his pathologist just died). You know, dead men don't talk. He lied and the administration was afraid he would later tell someone the truth. Just like with Bin Laden, who died years before the "attack" at Abottobad. The military made sure that the Navy Seals who went there "died" in a, can't remember the name of those huge helicopters...oh, maybe Blackhawk, which is important. Why? Because it would be very hard to shoot down a Blackhawk. You just believe everything the government tells you. Big mistake. But I'm done. I can't deal with such naivete. Enjoy being in the dark.

 

[Yarddog]

But I'm done. I can't deal with such naivete. Enjoy being in the dark.

Thank you. You are so far the deep end that I'm not sure that we can pull you back in. Please listen to the Holy Spirit and stop listening to all of the lying Satanic news outlets which you have embraced.

Have a good life and I do pray that we meet with all of the saints when Jesus calls us home.

 

[Archivist]

Oh, brother. I'm not going to let myself get into this with you EVER again. It is just too frustrating. You don't examine any evidence ever.

You claim that Yarddog is not examining "any evidence ever". However, I didn't see you offer any evidence to support your claims. For example you stated that "We are experiencing the signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of and there are, whether you want to believe it or not, more earthquakes and extreme weather incidents altogether than before."

Exactly what are these "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of"?

What eveidence do you have showing that the number of earthquakes is increasing?

What evidence do you have that the number of extreme weather incidents is increasing?

 

[Psalm 91]

You claim that Yarddog is not examining "any evidence ever". However, I didn't see you offer any evidence to support your claims. For example you stated that "We are experiencing the signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of and there are, whether you want to believe it or not, more earthquakes and extreme weather incidents altogether than before."

Exactly what are these "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of"?

What eveidence do you have showing that the number of earthquakes is increasing?

What evidence do you have that the number of extreme weather incidents is increasing?

You mean you don't know? Do you ever look in the sky? Do you not ever go to the USGS site and check on the earthquakes occurring? Where do you live this winter, in China?

I learned a long time ago when I was criticized for not posting proof, and then going and finding articles to stand by what I said, that no one ever continued the debate or they went along as if I'd never posted anything. I don't think they bothered to read the articles. I think that when you are debating an issue and you have several people posting who completely disagree with you, that you can have a scientist appear LIVE in a video and they're going to ignore it. You disagree and you have your own liberal scientists who blame everything on "global warming". The poster I was responding to looks for articles which confirm his beliefs, which are mainstream ideas and websites. He never strays from the norm, the ideas that the uninformed want to believe so they can feel secure. It's not fun to think that you might be in danger and that the "times, they are a changin'" and that your government, especially your president is a big liar. It's not fun to find out that the elites have a plan to "disappear" many of you, especially Christians. It's not fun to imagine and wonder if HAARP is the cause of all of the weather changes and natural disasters. I've never said any of these things would happen tomorrow and the next day. They won't. That is why everyone remains asleep. The elites are not stupid. But none of you are going to do anything but accept what you are being told.

And that is fine if that is your choice. I just don't understand why you all have to criticize me for looking elsewhere for my news. If you had a friend whom you knew to be in danger, wouldn't you want to warn that person? And if all he did was criticize you as he got nearer to the edge of the cliff, wouldn't you be sad?

 

[Archivist]

You mean you don't know?

No, I do not. That is why I asked you to offer proof to back up your claim.

Do you ever look in the sky?

Yes, I do. I have not seen any "signs in the sky that Scripture speaks of". Since you claim that such signs exist, perhaps you could back up your claim and identify them.

Do you not ever go to the USGS site and check on the earthquakes occurring?

It does not show that the number of earthquakes is increasing. If you have proof to the contrary please provide it.

Where do you live this winter, in China?

No, but the fact that much of the US is experencing a severe winter does not mean that "the number of extreme weather incidents is increasing." People made that same claim back in 1816, the Year with a Summer." The world didn't end then.

Again, if you have proof to the contrary please provide it.

I learned a long time ago when I was criticized for not posting proof, and then going and finding articles to stand by what I said, that no one ever continued the debate or they went along as if I'd never posted anything. I don't think they bothered to read the articles. I think that when you are debating an issue and you have several people posting who completely disagree with you, that you can have a scientist appear LIVE in a video and they're going to ignore it. You disagree and you have your own liberal scientists who blame everything on "global warming". The poster I was responding to looks for articles which confirm his beliefs, which are mainstream ideas and websites. He never strays from the norm, the ideas that the uninformed want to believe so they can feel secure. It's not fun to think that you might be in danger and that the "times, they are a changin'" and that your government, especially your president is a big liar. It's not fun to find out that the elites have a plan to "disappear" many of you, especially Christians. It's not fun to imagine and wonder if HAARP is the cause of all of the weather changes and natural disasters. I've never said any of these things would happen tomorrow and the next day. They won't. That is why everyone remains asleep. The elites are not stupid. But none of you are going to do anything but accept what you are being told.

In debate burden of proof rests with the affirmative. You claimed these things are happening, therefore it is up to you to prove it. If you fail to do so then you have failed to meet that burden.

BTW, interesting that you claimed that Yarddog was not examining "any evidence ever," yet when asked for evidence to back up your claims you failed to do so.

And that is fine if that is your choice. I just don't understand why you all have to criticize me for looking elsewhere for my news. If you had a friend whom you knew to be in danger, wouldn't you want to warn that person? And if all he did was criticize you as he got nearer to the edge of the cliff, wouldn't you be sad?

I have not criticized you for "looking elsewhere" for your news. I yave simply asked you to offer proof to support your claims.