A few bad eggs

[Habbit Animal]

I tell ya what I find odd as well is the U.S. sending a couple of warships over there in the Black sea in case of a terror attack during the Sochi Olmpics.

U.S. ready to 'extract' citizens from Sochi Olympics: Hagel - World News

Hey, why not send a couple of aircraft carriers over there as well.

Sochi is feared to be a target of terrorism. Right now there's a hunt on to round up a female terrorist who's apparently been identified as entering the country and is known as a Jihadist.

I can see why America would ready ships off the coast in the event something does transpire. What a target!

And while Christianity, which is just a little over 2000 years old, did not originate the institution of marriage it was initiated to secure property, birth rights, between one man and one woman. And in the case of polygamous cultures one man and many women. (Why isn't that a matter of equality? One woman and many men? )

What's happening in America is the idea of equal protection being extended to homosexual unions is just the beginning of reworking the entire societal dynamic of rights and permissions. Eventually all manner of unions will be demanding the right to be recognized by law.
And their launching point will be to point to other unions and argue they have that same right to be equal.

Basically, America is sliding into the very darkness that surrounds the pit of Hell.
There's no end to the tactics that are being employed to assault the community of Christ. Satan's army can enter into hallowed ground, or even communities bearing his name, and survive themselves in assaulting the faith and the faithful. Chipping away thinking that because demons have gained ground in certain area's of society that all it takes is to threaten and intimidate other area's so that demons can fester there too.

It is a tragic example of failure in the churches that concede and approve gay marriage. Even conduct gay weddings. The Laodicean blanket that covers some churches today is recalled in scripture and as such fulfills the word that there is nothing new under the sun.

The church that was extant at one time in Laodicea is seen resurrecting itself in different area's of America today. And of course there are the fallen churches, the apostate leadership that revoke the word and side with the secularists in a building once sacred for the teachings of God.
Now they are Satanic temples.

But it is all foretold. It is that now it is hard to miss the demons are multiplying across the earth. And even as they tremble at the name of Christ they are still focused on destroying his legacy.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

The man-made church has already been corrupted by the ways of the world. And no, it's certainly not Gods fault, but mans, for rejecting their Creator and refusing to walk in the ways He commanded them to walk.

But all these things needs be come to pass before the end, so we should not be surprised by all the evil going on in the world.

2 Timothy 3:1-4


3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;


If we have to pass through fire in this present evil world in order to get to everlasting peace with the Lord on the other side; then I say, bring on the fire!

Honestly, I think us as christians have been waiitng for Christ's second coming for about 2000 years or so. What I don't like about these doomsday end of the world thinking people is that they use it as a excuse to be lazy and not witness to people or do good works.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Marriages have been going on for 1000's of years outside of the belief in Our God. Pagan marriages have been performed in one way or another and in the US marriages have taken place outside of our Christian Churches so the institution of marriage hasn't been changed much by allowing same sex marriages.

You, nor the government of the U.S. can convince me that marriages were going on before Adam and Eve.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Now certainly the pagans have been performing marriages for some time now, but the point is God Almighty gave us the institution of marriage well before any pagan performed it, or even the U.S government got involved with religious ceremony.

Personally I could care less what the pagans do, or what sins the U.S. government wants to protect as "equal rights." Because living in sin is a personal choice, and is even a right for one to choose in this country; as many people exercise that right to sin freely on a daily basis. (no surprise)

But my beef is with those who try to trample on the Truth, and try to make the words of God of no effect by redefining what God had established as a union between man and woman. Which by the way was to be a symbolism of Christ and His Bride (the Church).

So if you think the institution of marriage hasn't changed much by allowing gays to be married, then I'd say your way off course from the Christian way of thinking.

And if you believe the Supreme Court is the supreme law of the land, as that attorney general suggests, then I'd also say your on the wrong side of the issue, because God is greater than man.

It is written, there is One Lawgiver who is able to save and to destroy; that One Lawgiver is God Almighty, not the Supreme court, nor mankind.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Honestly, I think us as christians have been waiitng for Christ's second coming for about 2000 years or so. What I don't like about these doomsday end of the world thinking people is that they use it as a excuse to be lazy and not witness to people or do good works.

Personally I don't believe it matters how much witnessing you do in this day and age, because men have hardened their hearts toward God and His Word.

Hardened ground like stone is unable to receive the good seed.

 

[Archivist]

Polls can be bias, either way, even if the majority does not agree with the words of God, it still does make the majority right does it?

But we are not talking about secular rulings in a repblican democracy.

But what we are seeing is a few judges, including the Supreme court judges, federal judges and state attorney generals all overriding what the voters had already decided into law, which is also preexisting law of certain states constitutions.

No, we are seeing judges and attorney generals apply the law.

So what happened to a government by the people, and for the people, if the voice and choices of the people, including the laws they have already voted on and established into law

Using that reasoning, the concept of seperate but equal should have never been overruled by the Supreme Court.

When a government thinks it can do as it pleases, above and beyond the wishes of the people, even putting it's ideals, morals, and laws above that of Almighty Gods, then people ought to be concerned.

Again, are the judges acting "above and beyond the wishes of the people" if a majority of the people now support secular gay marriage.

 

[Archivist]

Firstly, you can't know that so that is simply your personal opinion on the matter.

Wrong Please reread what I wrote. I specifically said that in 2006 "Virginia voters did approve the same-sex marriage ban 57 percent to 43 percent." That is a factual satement, not opinion. I then said that recent polls show that "today 50 percent of registered Virginia voters support same-sex marriage, while 43 percent oppose it." That is also a factual statement, not opinion.

Secondly, your response is double talk.

Wrong.

irst you say the voters did approve the ban, the voters!

Correct.

Then you say you're not sure the actions of the AG are designed to override the voice of those who voted!

Your words, not mine. I specifically said that "I'm not sure that the actions of the AG are designed to "override the voice of the voters." I did not use the words "of those who voted." Those who would vote today are not the same as those who voted in 2006. People have died. People have moved. New people have registered.

Then you cite a poll when polls aren't reliable as an unbiased source for any public opinion survey. They are all slanted by those invested in sponsoring the poll.

While I understand that polls are not always entirely reliable, I stand by my statement: if the election were held in Virginia today a majority would vote in favor of allowing secular same-se marriage.

The bad egg's pander to the homosexual lobby. Homosexual hate groups, threats, all that a politician witness as reported about terrorism exacted by homosexuals and their allies in other cases where Christian values stand against their lifestyle, and that weak career minded politician will learn from those examples and insure they're not the next one. Politicians are secular Jezebels, for lack of the rules allowing another word. They sell out in order to stay in office.

Ah yes, those "bad eggs"--those who disagree with your opinion.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Again, are the judges acting "above and beyond the wishes of the people" if a majority of the people now support secular gay marriage.

To say the majority "now" supports gay marriage is pure speculation. What we do know for fact is that the voters in several states voted against gay marriage, and their vote was overturned by a few corrupt judges and state attorneys. Even DOMA was voted into law by many, but was also overturned by a few bad eggs.

The facts are, a few are overriding the votes of many.

 

[revanneosl]

Let's all imagine what would have happened if we had let the voters of Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia vote on whether or not African Americans should have had their civil rights recognized a couple of decades ago. Do you really think that "majority rule" in that situation would have led to justice being done in the United States?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There is a big difference between the color of a persons skin, the physical gender of the person, (which are outward things); compared to a heart and mind of confusion which lusts after sin. (inward things)

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

But even some who call themselves Christians are confused about the difference.

 

[Habbit Animal]

There is a big difference between the color of a persons skin, the physical gender of the person, (which are outward things); compared to a heart and mind of confusion which lusts after sin. (inward things)

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

But even some who call themselves Christians are confused about the difference.

And to my knowledge there are no scriptures that call dark skinned people an abomination. Nor that their skin color is a sin and due to that they, being unrepentant of that pigment, shall never see the kingdom in the afterlife.

 

[Yarddog]

You, nor the government of the U.S. can convince me that marriages were going on before Adam and Eve.

I can understand that.

Now certainly the pagans have been performing marriages for some time now, but the point is God Almighty gave us the institution of marriage well before any pagan performed it, or even the U.S government got involved with religious ceremony.

Not all Christian Churches teach that the Genesis account is to be taken literally and that man is far older than the 6000+ years which scripture accounts for. Many believe that pagan cultures existed long before God revealed himself to man.

I also don't think that the U.S. government has ever been involved with the religious ceremony. U.S. laws has to do with legal aspects of a marriage agreement. Churches are free to perform the religious ceremony anyway that they chose while the government grants authority to ministers and several other non-clerical positions to perform the ceremony as the couple chooses.

Personally I could care less what the pagans do, or what sins the U.S. government wants to protect as "equal rights." Because living in sin is a personal choice, and is even a right for one to choose in this country; as many people exercise that right to sin freely on a daily basis. (no surprise)

No kidding. Been there done that.

But my beef is with those who try to trample on the Truth, and try to make the words of God of no effect by redefining what God had established as a union between man and woman. Which by the way was to be a symbolism of Christ and His Bride (the Church).

Marriage is just a word to most people and it really doesn't bother me how they choose to use it. Most Churches will not recognize those. Mine doesn't recognize many types of "marriages" not done within a Church.

So if you think the institution of marriage hasn't changed much by allowing gays to be married, then I'd say your way off course from the Christian way of thinking.

Marriage hasn't changed much because of this because marriage in my Church is still as it has always been. People calling something marriage doesn't mean that it is a marriage, in the eyes of God.

And if you believe the Supreme Court is the supreme law of the land, as that attorney general suggests, then I'd also say your on the wrong side of the issue, because God is greater than man.

I didn't see where he suggested that. He said that ban violated the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land.

It is written, there is One Lawgiver who is able to save and to destroy; that One Lawgiver is God Almighty, not the Supreme court, nor mankind.

But God Almighty is not the supreme law of the United States. He is in the eyes of the majority of Christians but the government does not. Of course, most Christians do a poor job following God as it is.

God Bless

 

[Archivist]

To say the majority "now" supports gay marriage is pure speculation.

Actually my statement is based on polls. I fully understand that polls are not the law, but they are also not "pure speculation." They are based on polling data and polls in other states where same-sex marriage has more recently been approved by the voters have proven to be accurate.

What we do know for fact is that the voters in several states voted against gay marriage, and their vote was overturned by a few corrupt judges and state attorneys.

Corrupt? If you have specific facts to support charges of corruption, I wouldappreciate you providing them. Overruling a unConstitutional laws is a duty of the Courts, not a sign of corruption.

Even DOMA was voted into law by many, but was also overturned by a few bad eggs.

Not sure what you mean by "voted into law by many." It was approved by a majority of both houses of Congress and signed by President Clinton. Parts of it were found to be unConstitutional by the Supreme Court. That is the Court doing its job. It is not the work of "a few bad eggs."

The facts are, a few are overriding the votes of many.

No, the facts are that the Courts are doing their job.

 

[Archivist]

I also don't think that the U.S. government has ever been involved with the religious ceremony. U.S. laws has to do with legal aspects of a marriage agreement. Churches are free to perform the religious ceremony anyway that they chose while the government grants authority to ministers and several other non-clerical positions to perform the ceremony as the couple chooses.

Well said Yarddog! The same-sex statute recently enacted in New York State specifically exempts religious institutions from having to perform same-sex marriages. I believe that similiar laws in other states also contain such language.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

But God Almighty is not the supreme law of the United States.

I can agree with that, and find that Truth to be self evident.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Corrupt? If you have specific facts to support charges of corruption, I wouldappreciate you providing them.

Those who abide not in the Truth are corrupt.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming ofthe Son of man be.

 

[Archivist]

Those who abide not in the Truth are corrupt.

But we are talking about secular law here.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

But we are talking about secular law here.

Which is greater, Gods law, or mans?

 

[Yarddog]

I can agree with that, and find that Truth to be self evident.

cute

 

[Archivist]

Which is greater, Gods law, or mans?

They are two different things. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

They are two different things. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

Yea, but don't forsake your faith in God in order to please Caesar.

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.