A Disturbing Situation

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

I think that the big picture has been absolutely missed here. We live in a world where people are decieved by their own sin. Pagans aren't to blame, they merely believe a lie because they don't have the spirit of God alive in them. The war is against the prince of this world....we don't fight with flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities in high places, if you're a Christian then I know that sounds familiar. The point i'm making is that arguing with a few people who just want to make some fuss and talk in circles and live like educated barbarians is not going to profit you or I. Praying and seeking to do the will of almighty God is what profits us in the end. I know that judgement comes to those who deserve it, and we absolutely deserve it, but it's all part of the plan, we just need to fight the good fight and go out there and show people the truth, be a witness of the love of God.

This post, my friend, is a priceless jewel. I was thoroughly refreshed by its simplicity, honesty, and truth.

 

[tcampen]

This post, my friend, is a priceless jewel. I was thoroughly refreshed by its simplicity, honesty, and truth.

Still curious, but what part of "The point i'm making is that arguing with a few people who just want to make some fuss and talk in circles and live like educated barbarians is not going to profit you or I." is a jewell? Is it the condescending part? The blatent stereotyping part? Or perhaps it is the gross inaccuracy of the statement itself that makes it such a "jewell"? I'm having some trouble figuring that out?

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

It show why such is really a subjective concept.

Well said.

Well, I wouldn't say it is subjective-there is one truth-I think it's where we look to find that truth. But agreed on the no-force policy. If anyone had the right to force people it would be God, and as the world clearly demonstrates, He does not.

This beautifully illustrates why it is absurd to allow and rely on men (and women) to make such ultimate determinations and force them on others thru the government or otherwise.

True-never rely on men or women. AMEN!!!!

For it is written:

17:10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

17:11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11

So you see, the Bible commended the Bereans because they didn't even take the apostle Paul's word for it, but searched the scriptures to test their words.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Still curious, but what part of "The point i'm making is that arguing with a few people who just want to make some fuss and talk in circles and live like educated barbarians is not going to profit you or I." is a jewell? Is it the condescending part? The blatent stereotyping part? Or perhaps it is the gross inaccuracy of the statement itself that makes it such a "jewell"? I'm having some trouble figuring that out?

Well, I think it was the simplicity, honesty, and truth.

 

[tcampen]

Yea, I guess to me personally, the statement just didn't seem very Christ-like with its condescending, inaccurate, and bigoted undertones. That's all.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Yea, I guess to me personally, the statement just didn't seem very Christ-like with its condescending, inaccurate, and bigoted undertones. That's all.

It's okay, my post was actually meant for the author of the post.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

You're right, the big picture has been absolutely missed here, and you've missed it too. The only talking incircles here has been done by those who claim to have absolute truth because they have absolute truth because they have ab****e truth.

I'm not decieved and I don't sin. I understand that you believe we all deserve the judgement of your God but quite frankly I have yet to see a Christian give anyone a compelling reason for doing so, other than "trust me, I'm not lieing".

I've never heard a Christian ask someone to take their word for it.

Havoc, I have sin.

 

[Havoc]

I'm sorry to hear that. Must suk for you.

Whether it's todays Christian saying it or whichever Christians wrote the NT it's still the same thing... "trust me, I'm not lieing."

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

I'm sorry to hear that. Must suk for you.

Whether it's todays Christian saying it or whichever Christians wrote the NT it's still the same thing... "trust me, I'm not lieing."

Not really. It's just honesty. .And of course the story doesn't end there.

I would say you need to find it from the Lord, not from man. If I must tell you to take my word for anything, anything at all, I suppose it would be this: no man can ever give you faith in Jesus Christ. It was designed that way.

 

[Havoc]

Well I'll take your word that you believe that.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

oops

 

[tcampen]

Not really. It's just honesty. .And of course the story doesn't end there.

I would say you need to find it from the Lord, not from man. If I must tell you to take my word for anything, anything at all, I suppose it would be this: no man can ever give you faith in Jesus Christ. It was designed that way.

What if God did speak to me, but revealed a truth that is very different than what you are asserting? Should I trust what you say, or what God says? If I say I trust God, and that does not include the traditional Christian message, you might say that I am being deceived or am mistaken. But that whole premise is based on your interpretation - man's interpretation of God - which you already acknowledged should not be trusted.

In other words, everything you assert is "man's" interpretation of God, and therefore no better than any other person's interpretation. So, I should stick with what God is saying, rather than what you are saying, right?

 

[Havoc]

If we take the number of claims of spiritual truths throughout the world it would appear that God speaks to many different peoples many different ways. It appears that the problem occurs when one set proclaims that the way God speaks to them is the only way God speaks.

 

[tcampen]

EXACLTY!

 

[Diatrive]

If a supernatural deity does exist, I look at it as a gem with many sides. Each group of people are looking at a different facet of the same gem. Each proclaiming they are the only ones who see the gem.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

If we take the number of claims of spiritual truths throughout the world it would appear that God speaks to many different peoples many different ways. It appears that the problem occurs when one set proclaims that the way God speaks to them is the only way God speaks.

The answer is to sort out truth from falsehood. True, it would appear that God does, but in fact He does not. It's all about sorting it out.

I invite you to consider: Christianity is the only religion that offers atonement for sin.

(Which I understand you believe you have never sinned, not even one time. So if you are not seeking atonement for sin, you will receive precisely what you are seeking.)

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

If a supernatural deity does exist, I look at it as a gem with many sides. Each group of people are looking at a different facet of the same gem. Each proclaiming they are the only ones who see the gem.

Hm. Then what would you do with all the contradictions?

 

[Diatrive]

Hm. Then what would you do with all the contradictions?

Well, obviously that is a HUGE "if" that I prefaced it with. It does not matter, because they were man's contradictions.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Oh, well. It was an interesting observation anyhow.

 

[tcampen]

Hm. Then what would you do with all the contradictions?

We could use some tortured reasoning and analysis to explain them away. And there's plenty of help in these forums on how to it!