A Disturbing Situation

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

As we watch the news each night and see our progress on the war against terrorism, when we see exactly what kind of violent, evil nutcakes are actually out there, we face a problem.

Here we live in a nation that kills unborn children, mistreats the elderly, is filled with corruption and gay agendas and paganism, and we know our nation is being ripened for judgment.

Then there's this portion of the equation: we live in a nation where we win our wars without having to even think about it. And we have an ungrateful country that slams our president every day, complaining about the taxes to fund the effort, a sarcastic quote each night of how many have died "since the end of serious conflict," and we no longer care for our own safety. In fact, we despise and condemn it every day.

Out these two together, and we have a very disturbing problem on our hands.

What are we going to do?

 

[Arikay]

I feel sorry for the world you live in.

 

[kdet]

As we watch the news each night and see our progress on the war against terrorism, when we see exactly what kind of violent, evil nutcakes are actually out there, we face a problem.

Here we live in a nation that kills unborn children, mistreats the elderly, is filled with corruption and gay agendas and paganism, and we know our nation is being ripened for judgment.

Then there's this portion of the equation: we live in a nation where we win our wars without having to even think about it. And we have an ungrateful country that slams our president every day, complaining about the taxes to fund the effort, a sarcastic quote each night of how many have died "since the end of serious conflict," and we no longer care for our own safety. In fact, we despise and condemn it every day.

Out these two together, and we have a very disturbing problem on our hands.

What are we going to do?

Fast and pray.

 

[Blindfaith]

What are we going to do?

Good question.

Pray and vote Republican .

 

[Fiendishjester]

Hey, look on the bright side. It could be worse. But as for your post:

"As we watch the news each night and see our progress on the war against terrorism, when we see exactly what kind of violent, evil nutcakes are actually out there, we face a problem."
As of yet, I haven't seen any progress on the war against terror. We haven't gotten Bin Laden, we haven't gotten Saddam, so we've basically spent all our money to get a small number of terrorists that we could have gotten without so much waste or casualty.

"Here we live in a nation that kills unborn children, mistreats the elderly, is filled with corruption and gay agendas and paganism, and we know our nation is being ripened for judgment."
As long as this country wishes to be known as the land of the free, such things (with the exception of the mistreatment of the elderly) must be allowed, otherwise we would be just like a dictatorship or a totalitarian regime.

"Then there's this portion of the equation: we live in a nation where we win our wars without having to even think about it. And we have an ungrateful country that slams our president every day, complaining about the taxes to fund the effort, a sarcastic quote each night of how many have died "since the end of serious conflict," and we no longer care for our own safety. In fact, we despise and condemn it every day."
It is good that we can win wars so easily. I think people have a right to complain against Bush, because if not for the electoral college, he would not have won the election. He certainly didn't have the popular vote. This is why people complain. It's because he's using their tax dollars to fund efforts that they do not promote or believe in.

I don't want to sound like I'm one of those strange post-dissectors, I just wanted to try and put things in perspective and hopefully ease your load.

 

[Blindfaith]

This is very close to being moved to the Politics forum.

 

[Havoc]

Speaking as a Pagan I see the world being a lot better off with more loving and tolerant Paganism than with a lot of the hateful and intolerant Fundamentalist Christianity as evidenced by the prejudice and bigotry im many posts on this board.

What don't like generalisations about Christians? Then don't make generalisations about Pagans. We're not the reason for the hatred that is at the core of the problems in society.

 

[Blindfaith]

The same could be said of the unbelievers on this board, Havoc. I've seen a lot of "spew" about Christianity here, so don't think that you have a foothold on finger pointing.

The problems of society are to blame on Christians? Do you want to talk about generalizations? That is about the most unbelievalbe statement I've heard yet.

Don't even go there.

 

[Havoc]

Why not? If Christianity held sway in a practical monopoly until very recently, and yet completely failed to solve the problems of society, who's really to blame? We Pagans, thanks to the sword of Christianity, weren't even permitted to live until recently. How can this countries ills be blamed on us? There's no statistics that show this country was more law abiding when it was Christian controlled yet the poster sees fit to blame the "sad state" of America on Pagans? Don't even go there.
Most of the problems in society can be traced to prejudice and bigotry. Those are not "Pagan" attributes but they are certainly displayed, proudly, by many Fundamentalist Christians, as evidenced by many posts on this board. Nedd I post examples? It would take pages.

 

[Arikay]

And to add to that, the US that is supposable in such a bad state is something like over 75% christian.

We can also compare ourselves to other countries to see if it really is a pagan or non christian influence that is making things worse. Since the US has one of the highest christian percentages, a good majority of other countries should be in a worse situation than us. Are they?

 

[royboy]

As we watch the news each night and see our progress on the war against terrorism, when we see exactly what kind of violent, evil nutcakes are actually out there, we face a problem.

Here we live in a nation that kills unborn children, mistreats the elderly, is filled with corruption and gay agendas and paganism, and we know our nation is being ripened for judgment.

Then there's this portion of the equation: we live in a nation where we win our wars without having to even think about it. And we have an ungrateful country that slams our president every day, complaining about the taxes to fund the effort, a sarcastic quote each night of how many have died "since the end of serious conflict," and we no longer care for our own safety. In fact, we despise and condemn it every day.

Out these two together, and we have a very disturbing problem on our hands.

What are we going to do?

What period in history has america and other countries not been ripened for judgement? What makes the 'sins' at this point in time stand out more than the sexual revolution, black oppression, killing indians and stealing their land, rebelling against the king?

What does that say about sin? Has there ever been a period where people don't despair and cry out that the end is nigh and that we are about to be punished for our sins?

What does the absence of these 'sinless' times say about the nature of human beings?

Again, what is so special about these times?

 

[DialecticMaterialist]

As we watch the news each night and see our progress on the war against terrorism, when we see exactly what kind of violent, evil nutcakes are actually out there, we face a problem.

Here we live in a nation that kills unborn children, mistreats the elderly, is filled with corruption and gay agendas and paganism, and we know our nation is being ripened for judgment.

Then there's this portion of the equation: we live in a nation where we win our wars without having to even think about it. And we have an ungrateful country that slams our president every day, complaining about the taxes to fund the effort, a sarcastic quote each night of how many have died "since the end of serious conflict," and we no longer care for our own safety. In fact, we despise and condemn it every day.

Out these two together, and we have a very disturbing problem on our hands.

What are we going to do?

Implement the Final Solution?

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

What period in history has america and other countries not been ripened for judgement? What makes the 'sins' at this point in time stand out more than the sexual revolution, black oppression, killing indians and stealing their land, rebelling against the king?

What does that say about sin? Has there ever been a period where people don't despair and cry out that the end is nigh and that we are about to be punished for our sins?

What does the absence of these 'sinless' times say about the nature of human beings?

Again, what is so special about these times?

I understand what you're saying about sin always having existed in the heart of man. But our tolerance of these things is only getting worse, and so the problems are becoming even more prevalent. One can hardly say things are getting better.

 

[ByGrace]

Speaking as a Pagan I see the world being a lot better off with more loving and tolerant Paganism than with a lot of the hateful and intolerant Fundamentalist Christianity as evidenced by the prejudice and bigotry im many posts on this board.

What don't like generalisations about Christians? Then don't make generalisations about Pagans. We're not the reason for the hatred that is at the core of the problems in society.

Well I can see your feeling that way as you claim to be a "witch" and therefore cannot see the truth that is being revealed. This world is shutting down and I for one am glad to see it happening as it means that my redemption is drawing near. Jesus is coming. Will you fear that day or rejoice in it?

 

[Havoc]

What "truth" is being revealed? Oh, I see, when you say "truth" you are actually referring to your beliefs and not any actual verifiable "truth". You simply misuse the word because saying "truth" instead of the correct word "belief" sounds much more impressive to the weak minded.

Unless, of course, you can actually prove that what you believe is the "truth"....

No?

Allrrrrrrighty then.

You'll forgive me if I don't feel the need to fear or rejoice in a "day" that I have no reason to believe is going to happen.

 

[yen]

we see exactly what kind of violent, evil nutcakes are actually out there, we face a problem.

I'm more worried about the nutcakes here in the US than outside it.

Pray and vote Republican

Yes, their "Bring it on" attitude and lies does wonders for our international diplomacy doesn't it?

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

What "truth" is being revealed? Oh, I see, when you say "truth" you are actually referring to your beliefs and not any actual verifiable "truth". You simply misuse the word because saying "truth" instead of the correct word "belief" sounds much more impressive to the weak minded.

Unless, of course, you can actually prove that what you believe is the "truth"....

No?

Allrrrrrrighty then.

You'll forgive me if I don't feel the need to fear or rejoice in a "day" that I have no reason to believe is going to happen.

I have yet to get you to tell me what your objective authority is But truth that never transcends man is no truth. In that case, you'd be right. It would be an opinion. But in the case of Christianity, we know what the authority is, so that's why it is no longer an opinion but the truth because it comes from God.
Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. But anyone who chooses beliefs according to what they want to believe will never accept that there is truth, because it requires putting aside personal desires about what truth is most pleasing to them. If you really wanted to verify what you believe, why have you chosen you religion? What is the proof for your religion? Do you only demand proof from Christianity because you don't like it?

 

[Diatrive]

But anyone who chooses beliefs according to what they want to believe will never accept that there is truth, because it requires putting aside personal desires about what truth is most pleasing to them.

That is 100% correct. It's a shame you don't heed your own advice.

If you really wanted to verify what you believe, why have you chosen you religion? What is the proof for your religion? Do you only demand proof from Christianity because you don't like it?

I personally demand proof from everything. "An unexamined life is not worth living."

 

[Havoc]

I have yet to get you to tell me what your objective authority is But truth that never transcends man is no truth. In that case, you'd be right. It would be an opinion. But in the case of Christianity, we know what the authority is, so that's why it is no longer an opinion but the truth because it comes from God.
Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. But anyone who chooses beliefs according to what they want to believe will never accept that there is truth, because it requires putting aside personal desires about what truth is most pleasing to them. If you really wanted to verify what you believe, why have you chosen you religion? What is the proof for your religion? Do you only demand proof from Christianity because you don't like it?

I demand proof of Christianity because Christianity makes the ridiculous claim of absolute truth which they cannot support. Christianity furhter uses this ridiculous claim to claim all other religions ar false, including mine.

Your use of the "appeal to authority" fallacy is also ridiculous since you cannot even prove your God exists, much less that you have his actual words and will. You cannot prove Christ was God. You cannot prove he said any of the things that were attributed him. You cannot even provide one shred of substantive evidence that he rose from the dead, did miracles, or anything about him at all. Yet you still make these stupendous claims of absolute truth. What it really shows is you have no concept of the meaning of words like belief, truth, proof, evidence, etc.

I don't need proof for my religions because my religion is built on faith. Unlike most people we understand what faith is, we don't have to go around making ridiculous claims. If I was stupid enough to make a claim of absolute truth, I would expect to have to prove it.

So how about nixing the religious rhetoric and use the words correctly.

 

[Diatrive]

So how about nixing the religious rhetoric and use the words correctly.

Hear, hear!