A Depraved Mind

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Oh, I take him seriously. He votes for Presidents.

I'm not sure what these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcohzJvviQ

Have to do with anything, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[yguy]

Morals are subjective

Almost certainly you don't believe this yourself. If you did, you would never feel any sense of injustice about anything done to you.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

It is not logical to promote the idea that gay culture and/or same-gender sex acts are compatible with the testimony of the Apostles. What we call New Testament truth.

It's not logical to stereotype based on orientation either, but you have been guilty of that on many occasions.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Almost certainly you don't believe this yourself. If you did, you would never feel any sense of injustice about anything done to you.

Just because I think my morals are good doesn't mean they're not subjective.

 

[yguy]

Just because I think my morals are good doesn't mean they're not subjective.

Your morals may well be subjective, but that's beside the point. If I hacked your arm off just for fun, I guarantee you'd feel hard done by; but by your own logic, you'd have no legitimate grievance because I'd have just been following my own subjective morals.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

It's not logical to stereotype based on orientation either, but you have been guilty of that on many occasions.

Just presenting hard evidence. That my adversaries don't like that, gives me great satisfaction of a sort that is very warming.

Having ears yet never hearing. Having eyes yet never seeing.

Jesus didn't neglect that reality either.

 

[Avatar]

Just because I think my morals are good doesn't mean they're not subjective.

Society cannot function with universal moral relativism.

There need to be absolutes.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Society cannot function with universal moral relativism.

There need to be absolutes.

Ask any progressive.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Your morals may well be subjective, but that's beside the point. If I hacked your arm off just for fun, I guarantee you'd feel hard done by; but by your own logic, you'd have no legitimate grievance because I'd have just been following my own subjective morals.

Well no, I would have a grievance because my stub of an army would be bleeding profusely. Though morality may be subjective, the law is not, and therefore you would have a grievance because I would prosecute you to the full extent of the law.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Society cannot function with universal moral relativism.

Yes it can, it just needs to not work based only on those morals.

There need to be absolutes.

Which is why we have laws.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Just presenting hard evidence.

Hard Evidence can only be scripture in a religious context.
Hard Evidence =/= scripture in a law context.
Separation of church and state, my friend.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Hard Evidence can only be scripture in a religious context.

YeeeaaaahhhhhUP.

Hard Evidence =/= scripture in a law context.

Separation of church and state, my friend.

Hmm, not according to the First Amendment. No one can stop my voice, my pen or my vote. No one.

And, since you mentioned it, would you please show a quote from the Constitution (or Bill of Rights) where it says a seperation of Church and State?

Urban legend and myth no longer gets me to buy what pop ads sell.

 

[b&wpac4]

YeeeaaaahhhhhUP.



Hmm, not according to the First Amendment. No one can stop my voice, my pen or my vote. No one.

And, since you mentioned it, would you please show a quote from the Constitution (or Bill of Rights) where it says a seperation of Church and State?

Urban legend and myth no longer gets me to buy what pop ads sell.

Rulings by the Supreme Court have established this separation. Since the SCOTUS gets to make those kinds of Constitutional rulings, it makes it precedent for future rulings and the way the law is interpreted in the US.

 

[yguy]

Well no, I would have a grievance because my stub of an army would be bleeding profusely. Though morality may be subjective, the law is not,

How do you figure that?

and therefore you would have a grievance because I would prosecute you to the full extent of the law.

If I were Hitler or Stalin and did it, I'd be the law...so what import would your grievance have then?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Rulings by the Supreme Court have established this separation. Since the SCOTUS gets to make those kinds of Constitutional rulings, it makes it precedent for future rulings and the way the law is interpreted in the US.

"Interpreted."

Churches were the schools for many, many, many, years after the founding fathers founded this country. Obvioulsy their "interpretation" differs from later Americans with a new agenda for this country.

 

[Andreusz]

And, since you mentioned it, would you please show a quote from the Constitution (or Bill of Rights) where it says a seperation of Church and State?

Urban legend and myth no longer gets me to buy what pop ads sell.

As has been pointed out to you innumerable times, the First Amendment prohibits government-established religion, and guarantees freedom of worship. These two things, together, add up to separation of Church and State.
I am sorry that you find it so difficult to understand this.

 

[Andreusz]

Anyone who hasn't been swindled out of part of his ability to see the obvious has that, because it's self-evidently wrong.

Homosexuality between consenting adults does not harm anyone. Therefore it is self-evidently not wrong, in terms of the Golden Rule. So why has God declared it a sin?

 

[Zaac]

YeeeaaaahhhhhUP.



Hmm, not according to the First Amendment. No one can stop my voice, my pen or my vote. No one.

And, since you mentioned it, would you please show a quote from the Constitution (or Bill of Rights) where it says a seperation of Church and State?

Urban legend and myth no longer gets me to buy what pop ads sell.

I've been looking for years. I'm amazed at how many folks on this board don't have a problem in claiming the existence of that which they cannot see or prove is in the Constitution, but they have a problem accepting a God they cannot see or whom they can't prove is there. Hmmm.

 

[Zaac]

Homosexuality between consenting adults does not harm anyone.

I guess if you consider God no one.

Therefore it is self-evidently not wrong, in terms of the Golden Rule. So why has God declared it a sin?

The Greatest Commandment trumps your Golden Rule.

 

[LightHorseman]

I guess if you consider God no one.

If your god can be harmed by the acts of humans, he's not God

The Greatest Commandment trumps your Golden Rule.

The Greatest commandment demands you treat homosexuals with the respect and love you would want yourself!