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I have absolutely no idea what this response means much less how it connects in any way to what you quote as me saying...you are free to clarify or you can stop trying to stir me to anger, your choice but I would think carefully if I was you and pray earnestly before you decide how to progress.Imagine, a Christian being ashamed of his name.
I don't understand it.
It's easy enough these days to change names.
let's pause here for a brief moment so that we can effectively communicate. You talk about the depravity of even just temptation can move us slightly out of the peace of God....I can go along with that, yet Christ demonstrated how we should be living in the power of the HS and what did He do when tempted? He drew closer to God didn't He? If He is our example, then we should by the power of the HS draw closer to God throughout temptation...The question on the table is, is it possible to face temptation and not sin for one or more days...Christ did it after 40 days of fasting...and He did it in the power of the Living God, the same Living God that dwells within us. So how then, if Christ is our example, can we say it is impossible...especially if we understand that He was both fully man and fully God....we can say that we don't, but we cannot say that we can't. I would say that any interaction with temptation beyond taking the thought captive and putting the thoughts on the things of God is sin...but I could be convinced I am wrong especially since our thoughts are "lightening" fast it would be hard to say, this millisecond is not sin but that millisecond isn't which I am content with allowing God to define.... I am listening to the end of this, before I say more...thank you for submitting it. My husband listened to part of it and said that he could see some people's heads exploding...lol
Here is what I will say...some 12 ish years ago, God called me to full time study of Biblical Love...full time as in 40 + hours a week. In the midst of that study I did two important studies to the question on the table, one was the schemes of Satan. Its a very interesting study that goes into a lot of details not only about how Satan tries to draw us away from God but also what scripture says we should do to avoid being drug away. Whereas the speaker is not wrong on most of what he says (some I question not because it's wrong but because I personally want all my answers to be from scripture which things LIKE making the sign of the cross is not from scripture) is spot on but he is also missing a lot of things that scripture tells us to do to tap into the power to be without sin. I am not accusing or blaming him in any way, this video is not really dealing with the same thing...what I am saying is I would love to talk to him more and show him the study God led me to.
Second thing I studied that applies to the question at hand is one I am finishing now, it's about the power of God's Love to transform us....iow's how does Gods Love transform us. It is amazing how much power is found in the Living God. Power that He gives us starting the very moment that we believe unto salvation. Way too many people- way too often underestimate the power of God in our lives and we should be ashamed everytime we place God in the boxes we have created for Him as some here have done. It's one, there are many more....some really interesting ones come from the temptations of Christ and involve study of the word of God, memorizing the word, using the word, trusting the word, meditating on the word of God and praying.
I have not heard anyone here on this thread legitimately claim that man is not a creature of sin, have you? I've heard people try to inflate what was said into something similar but so far everyone I can remember posting said that all men sin (except Christ) did I miss a poster that you can remember?
it seems to me that some here are under the impression that being a human being is a sin
amenTransformation is indeed central - it is the absolute key.
agreed in fact, smaller details often make it easier to communicate about bigger things which is why I said I would love to talk to the speaker about some of the things he didn't say because of his limited topicWhen we focus on discussing one small aspect in detail, that doesn't discount other things not currently being discussed.
I agree, what I am curious about is why given what I said you would even hint as you do here that I want to discuss it or debate it at all much less here. I was careful to point out that where I don't find it in scripture and thus do not add it to my list of things we can do that I do NOT think it is necessarily wrong so not an issue to discuss...how did you take that to come to this couple of sentences as if you think I want to debate it? Seriously, if we are learning then either I said something that made you think the opposite of what I said was true or else you need to understand that this type of comment makes it sound like you are not responding to what I said but rather to a made up version of what I said...either way it's a communication issue and creates a problem.As far as practicee such as making the sign of the Cross, that belongs in another forum. This isn't the place to debate.
amen...but when I say that here I am told I said everything else...which makes me look like I am someone I am not who believes something I don't which is the problem with reinventing of other posters posts...ah well. Moving on.The sinful tendencies of man do not negate the power of God. Indeed, they should make us MORE aware of it, since it is only by the grace of God that we can escape at all.
some seem to believe that at least based on their posts which I disagree with and you apparently do as well.No, I was responding to your post here
You have no understanding of an average mind as mine.I have absolutely no idea what this response means much less how it connects in any way to what you quote as me saying...you are free to clarify or you can stop trying to stir me to anger, your choice but I would think carefully if I was you and pray earnestly before you decide how to progress.
ignoring for flamingYou have no understanding of an average mind as mine.
You need to bring yourself done to my level and understand.
I'm obviously not capable of bringing my mind up to your standards.
I agree that you are a wretched sinner and sin is in your dna and that you can't go 5 minutes without sinning....because you said as much...And I believe you. What I man thinks in his heart, so is he.X
All of my sin is on the cross.....that is Good News for a wretched sinner like me who can’t go 5 minutes without sinning.Sin is in our DNA.We are not sinners because we sin—- we sin because we are sinners.Those who think they have somehow risen above it are deluded.I don’t know who they think they are fooling.If people knew me the way God does, they would want nothing to do with me.We all have secret thoughts that would shame Hell.The deluded are no different than me.We should admit the ugly truths about ourselves and thank God for His Amazing Grace and love. When we sin we should do the same thing with it that God does—- put it on the cross and leave it there.
I'd suggest it's a lot more honorable to God to put the focus on one's capacity to overcome sin, and the nature of sin through the power of Christ, the glory of God, the resurrection power within us which is said to cause us to walk in newness of life Romans 6:4, Galatians 5:16 than to focus on the potential of failure if we choose to walk in the flesh and not the Spirit. Sadly saints do this which frankly I thinks brings sadness to the heart of the Savior.
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Gal 5:16
personally I would have to answer both...it is a choice, yes, but the true believer is so in awe of God that it becomes the only choice he really can make.
Good question btw
I agree that you are a wretched sinner and sin is in your dna and that you can't go 5 minutes without sinning....because you said as much...And I believe you. What I man thinks in his heart, so is he.
I also give the same honor and respect to those who wish to see themselves as greater...those who believe they can follow the commandments of God for more than five minutes, more than one day....for his commandments aren't grievous.....
We can’t even keep the First and most important commandment,much less any of the others.....
We are all wretched sinners.
“ if we say we have no sin we call God a liar”
We are still sinners who need a Savior
Once again, you are correct. You can't keep even the first commandment and you cannot conquer sin. Why? Because you said so, therefore I must believe you. Where we differ is when you place your beliefs about yourself on others. Because you haven't found the way, doesn't mean that it is impossible to find, nor that no-one else can find it.....We can’t even keep the First and most important commandment,much less any of the others.....Nobody except Jesus has ever loved God with all their heart and all their soul and all their mind all the time.....let’s concentrate on the most important commandment that nobody keeps and then we can move on to the “small potatoes” like the sins of omission.....how many poor strangers did we invite into our homes during the so-called day without sin? We are all wretched sinners.Some know it and admit it.Others are either,blind,proud or self-righteous. “ if we say we have no sin we call God a liar”
We are still sinners who need a Savior even if we do manage to delude ourselves as conquering sin, whether it be 5 minutes or 5 months.
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So is it forgiveness of sins by Jesus Sacrifice, or a keeping of the Law?
Have you not received Jesus as your Savior?
Once again, you are correct. You can't keep even the first commandment and you cannot conquer sin. Why? Because you said so, therefore I must believe you. Where we differ is when you place your beliefs about yourself on others. Because you haven't found the way, doesn't men that it is impossible to find, nor that no-one else can find it.....
But there is a way that few find....
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So is it forgiveness of sins by Jesus Sacrifice, or a keeping of the Law?
I believe Paul’s Gospel found in 1cor15:1-4.Paul promised salvation if it is simply believed.I believe it.
Have you not received Jesus as your Savior?
is it forgiveness of sins by Jesus Sacrifice, or a keeping of the Law?
Faith in the Shed Blood Of Christ.....plus nothing.
Please tell me about “ the way”....don’t leave me in my ignorance...I want to be like you
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So what's your problem, why keep professing you are a sinner.
Scripture says.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Do you insist in calling yourself a sinner?
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