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lol oh my...that is the total opposite of what I said and I showed you that and you still are going off and falsely accusing me of things I did not say...apparently you are not yielding yourself to the HS right now or you would not be sinning against me in this way.See my post no. 16 to you.
I stated EXACTLY what you are saying.
You are blaming the Holy Spirit each time you sin.
so your problems is a reading one? I said if we are not YIELDING TO, that is allowing ourselves to be LED by the indwelling HS.....what do you not understand about that...scripture talks about quenching the HS, etc. IF we quench the HS we are NOT allowing HIS POWER in our lives....that has nothing to do with not having the HS it has to do with allowing HIM control over our lives....as I said, it's all on us.You're saying that if we have the Holy Spirit we will not sin.
we sin because we do not give ourselves completely to the control of the indwelling HSSo then why do we sin? Are we not saved?
I provided scripture how about you do the same?As far as why Jesus came here...
The number one reason was to set up the Kingdom of God here on earth.
scripture tells us He came to destroy sin and death...Not to take away from the fact that He is the Messiah and came to save that which was lost and He defied death and sin.
see related passages...But, most of all, He broke satan's stronghold on everyone, but not because we don't sin
I have no idea what you do not understand about yielding ourselves to the working of the HS in our lives but it is tripping you up when it comes to understanding what I am saying.anymore...because now we have the motive and the power to sin as little as possible, but because WE make the choice not to sin, not because we have the Holy Spirit stopping us - which would put the blame on Him when we DO sin.
Why hinder those willing to not sin anymore by telling them it isnt possible.....therefore they should continue to sin and not feel bad about it.You're saying that if we have the Holy Spirit we will not sin.
So then why do we sin? Are we not saved?
As far as why Jesus came here...
The number one reason was to set up the Kingdom of God here on earth.
Not to take away from the fact that He is the Messiah and came to save that which was lost and He defied death and sin.
But, most of all, He broke satan's stronghold on everyone, but not because we don't sin anymore...because now we have the motive and the power to sin as little as possible, but because WE make the choice not to sin, not because we have the Holy Spirit stopping us - which would put the blame on Him when we DO sin.
Now, according to this you are suggesting that we cannot access the power of God to flee from temptations because we are still in the flesh. I call foul on that notion in that we are told throughout scripture to flee from sin, to pray so that we do not fall into temptation, etc. Why if we cannot avoid sin are we commanded to flee it, to submit ourselves to God so we don't sin, to flee the devil, to pray so that we will not sin....you are defeating yourself before you ever give God a chance to show you How much He Loves you with the power to be set free from sin and deathWhat? Christs work was perfect. It is not that Christ or the spirit are imperfect. It is because we are bound to our flesh while we are in this world. If we are to be without sin in the flesh, it would require God to undo creation, which He will not do because He loves us. As such, we struggle in the war between the flesh and the Spirit. However, we will ultimately win, because he who overcomes is on our side.
Now, according to this you are suggesting that we cannot access the power of God to flee from temptations because we are still in the flesh. I call foul on that notion in that we are told throughout scripture to flee from sin, to pray so that we do not fall into temptation, etc. Why if we cannot avoid sin are we commanded to flee it, to submit ourselves to God so we don't sin, to flee the devil, to pray so that we will not sin....you are defeating yourself before you ever give God a chance to show you How much He Loves you with the power to be set free from sin and death
Here is what you said in post no. 11:so your problems is a reading one? I said if we are not YIELDING TO, that is allowing ourselves to be LED by the indwelling HS.....what do you not understand about that...scripture talks about quenching the HS, etc. IF we quench the HS we are NOT allowing HIS POWER in our lives....that has nothing to do with not having the HS it has to do with allowing HIM control over our lives....as I said, it's all on us. we sin because we do not give ourselves completely to the control of the indwelling HS I provided scripture how about you do the same? scripture tells us He came to destroy sin and death... see related passages...I have no idea what you do not understand about yielding ourselves to the working of the HS in our lives but it is tripping you up when it comes to understanding what I am saying.
You are correct, As long as you are your flesh..you will continue to sin. This is why we must be born again....die to the flesh and arize in the newness of life. Yet, how can this be done in one who doesnt believe it possible?Check Romans 7:18-20 for that. Paul addresses the issue of us never being able to be free from sin while we inhabit our flesh.
It does not mean that we may grow lax and sin. No. We must fight it. What I am saying is that we will never be fully victorious until the very end, when we will enter a world that is free from sin.
You're doing it again.Now, according to this you are suggesting that we cannot access the power of God to flee from temptations because we are still in the flesh. I call foul on that notion in that we are told throughout scripture to flee from sin, to pray so that we do not fall into temptation, etc. Why if we cannot avoid sin are we commanded to flee it, to submit ourselves to God so we don't sin, to flee the devil, to pray so that we will not sin....you are defeating yourself before you ever give God a chance to show you How much He Loves you with the power to be set free from sin and death
I never questioned that...what I said is that we can live without sin if we live in the power of the indwelling HS...are you trying to tell me now that Paul is saying in this passage that the HS does not dwell in the believer because "nothing good dwells in me" or that the HS is not good?Check Romans 7:18-20 for that. Paul addresses the issue of us never being able to be free from sin while we inhabit our flesh. Even the most devout Christian will stumble from time to time. What matters is that we come back in repentance.
If we must fight sin but will fail before we get out of bed as one poster stated, why fight it?It does not mean that we may grow lax and sin. No. We must fight it. What I am saying is that we will never be fully victorious until the very end, when we will enter a world that is free from sin.
It always come down to making it personal.....You're doing it again.
Do YOU ever sin???
I believe you think you're sinless...
Oh my. I'm the number one "works" person probably on this whole forum. Far be it for me to tell anyone to sin!Why hinder those willing to not sin anymore by telling them it isnt possible.....therefore they should continue to sin and not feel bad about it.
What does it profit you to get others to believe this? Why not push others to do what you haven't done yet, instead of telling them they cant because you haven't?
Well Raymond, how right you are.It always come down to making it personal.....
Whether he sins or not have no bearing on whether or not you have to. We have to strive to be like Jesus, not like other men.
If we must fight sin but will fail before we get out of bed as one poster stated, why fight it?
Oh my. I'm the number one "works" person probably on this whole forum. Far be it for me to tell anyone to sin!
The O.P. of this thread is worried because maybe he can't go ONE DAY without sinning.
Do YOU ever go one day without sinning?
Did you read my post no. 4?
It's great if you do, which I doubt, but some of us need some help and reassurance.
We can be sure if we remain in the hands of Jesus...He will keep us safe from God's wrath IF we are doing our best.
what do you not understand about my posts or are you just trying to be inflammatory and insulting?You're doing it again.
Do YOU ever sin???
I believe you think you're sinless...
Praise the Lord!!!!! some hint of understanding...I said from the get go to this very moment that in the power of the indwelling HS we can refrain from sin to which I was told I was wrong. Now here you are saying the same thing...how did that happen?Out of love for God. I know I can not be perfect outside of God and I know that perfection is out of my reach as long as I am bound to my flesh. But I love God so much, that I will try to my dying breath
1 John 1:8. No one apart from Jesus, saved or not, is free from sin. The difference salvation makes is that those sins will not be held against us by God, for God has established the law of grace through Jesus.
Besides, you asked the same question as Paul addressed in Romans 6:1.
I'm with you on that part about not wanting to be rude and not ignore etc.
So let me say this...according to scripture, Christ came to break our bondage to sin and death....how has He done that if we are still bound in the flesh to sin? WE cannot do it alone, amen...but Christ failed if we cannot be without sin in His power hasn't He? If He came to break our bondage to sin and death and yet we go on sinning, why should be believe that the power of death has no hold?
And just for clarification, I am talking about all sin not just the big ones
Just because the flesh is weak does not mean I have to give into it...that is the point.I will say this. God will provide that grace and power ... but there are very few persons indeed who ever cooperate with Him to that degree in this life. And if you asked any of them if they were sinless, they would quickly assure that they were chief among sinners.
I really am not interested in debate though, which it seems this thread has become. And it may well be that people who are disagreeing with one another are doing so, meaning different things.
Peace to you all.
Outside of being in a coma (which I'm sure some people would consider sinful for some reason), can a full-grown adult be spiritually disciplined enough to go one or more consecutive days without sinning inwardly and outwardly?
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