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The use of Luke 11:27-28 to debunk Mariology is held by a considerably larger audience than Protestants who subscribe to neo-antidicomarianism and to Nestorianism.
We call ourselves the "Catholic Church." The Roman rite is by far the most common but is one of many rites of the Catholic Church.
Jesus in the Holy Eucharist has been at the heart of the Catholic Church since the first century. Both the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church have validly ordained priests who can consecrate the host.
Does the Lutheran and Catholic church teach every single thing about Mary the Roman Catholic Church teaches? Because that's what I mean by Mariology. The entire RCC teaching about Mary.”Debunking Mariology” is by definition neo-antidicomarianism and crypto-Nestorian (Nestorius himself was motivated by antidicomarian considerations).
The largest Protestant denominations, the Anglicans and Lutherans, are for the most part comprised of those who have a correct understanding of the Theotokos, although not always with the fervent devotion of Martin Luther or the High Church Anglicans.
I am curious to know what you believe is the entire Catholic teaching about Blessed Mary?Does the Lutheran and Catholic church teach every single thing about Mary the Roman Catholic Church teaches? Because that's what I mean by Mariology. The entire RCC teaching about Mary.
I also was joking.Un-minced inaccuracy.
Not to me, it doesn't.That is true. Holy scripture makes the case for Blessed Mary being the mother of the faithful.
That's a pity No, it's a fact - there' nothing to pity.
I was hoping for an explanation as to how Mary can be a spiritual mother when it is clear from Scripture that it is God who created us and gives physical, and spiritual, life.I didn't reply because there's nothing it it that needs a reply.
Does the Lutheran and Catholic church teach every single thing about Mary the Roman Catholic Church teaches? Because that's what I mean by Mariology. The entire RCC teaching about Mary.
The thing with the doctrines of the Incarnation and the Trinity, is they have very strong and extensive scriptural backing. Which is why practically all of Christianity is in agreement with them.
You misquoted me, why did you do that. I did not writeNot to me, it doesn't.
I believe the entire Catholic teaching about Mary is what the Catholic church says is the entire Catholic teaching about Mary.I am curious to know what you believe is the entire Catholic teaching about Blessed Mary?
I know you didn't - I wrote that. But I didn't realise that, somehow, my reply got attributed to you.You misquoted me, why did you do that. I did not write
That's a pity No, it's a fact - there' nothing to pity.
Many high church Anglicans exactly follow Roman mariology, as opposed to the slightly different approach of the Eastern Orthodox (who regard the Blessed Virgin Mary as immaculate but do not agree with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, in part because of the difference it creates between the Theotokos and ourselves and also because using the anti-Pelagian understanding of original sin taught by St. John Cassian rather than that taught by his fellow Latin ascetic St. Augustine of Hippo, who we do nonetheless venerate and greatly love*, it is not required). St. Magnus the Martyr and All Saints Margaret Street (the former celebrates the Mass partially in Latin, the latter uses the formal liturgy from the Book of Common Prayer but has a service every Saturday dedicated to Our Lady of Walsingham.
*Opinions to the contrary from schismatic Old Calendarists not withstanding. The schismatic Old Calendarists and schismatic Old Believers are to the Orthodox like Sedevacantists are to the Roman church - radicals engendered by ill advised liturgical changes. Fortunately in the case of the calendar change it was not implemented church-wide, although unfortunately some Russians in the US were lured into the schismatic Genuine Orthodox Church by people who falsely claimed that ROCOR was turning into a bastion of ecumenism upon the occasion of its restoration of communion with the other canonical Orthodox churches in 2007, and these schismatics managed to seize control of a ROCOR parish in Southern California, and operated it as a trap to lure people thinking it was ROCOR. I would also note these schisms are as close as Orthodoxy has ever come to a Reformation, because the reforming tendency in Orthodoxy always operates in the direction of tradition, and in a sense this was also true of Lutheranism - Martin Luther, like St. Jan Hus and St. Jerome of Prague (who are venerated as martyrs by the Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church) sought to restore practices which had fallen out of routine use in the Western church, such as communion in both kinds, while retaining the mass, icons, devotion to the Mother of God, and other essentials - even the Latin mass.
The problem was never Luther, but rather the Radical Reformation and the Restorationists.
Thus unity between the Orthodox and our friends who are Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and other traditional Protestants, including traditional Methodists alienated by the UMC and many of the Reformed, is not only possible but probable and to a large extent already happening, but in the case of those who adhere to an aliturgical, anti-sacramental and anti-traditional Christianity, fellowship is possible but not unity, since without a reformation movement to promote infant baptism and the Eucharist in these churches, they simply do not have enough in common with us.
Deception is a real thing. I believe I must pray for my enemies particularly if I claim to see.Join them or you die, heretics!
Beliefs about Mary not affirmed by the Anglican church are: Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Assumption of Mary, Queen of Heaven.
1 Corinthians 1:10-27There are more denominations in the Christian religion then there are in any other religion in the world ... one would have to assume that this is where the leadership of the church as a whole have lead it to ...
That's why I said Anglican church rather than Anglicans (individuals). And I'm not sure how accurate the info is, it's just what I read.As far as I know, these beliefs are neither affirmed nor denied in the Anglican tradition. That is, they are beliefs that some Anglicans hold, others do not, and we have the freedom of our own discernment. The Thirty-Nine Articles do not mention the Blessed Virgin Mary except in Article 2 which describes the Incarnation. The Oxford Movement nudged some branches of Anglicanism (including the American church) in a more Catholic direction, resulting in the re-introduction of some Catholic devotional practices.
I would guess that many of our members who are former Catholics retain their beliefs about and devotion to Mary, while many members who are former Presbyterians tend to more Protestant views. Both are within the range of faithful Anglican belief and practice.
I read these words and think, Blessed Mary most highly. She went through a lot.
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.Revelation 11:19-12:2 RSV-CE
she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 12:5-6 RSV-CE
The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus.
Revelation 12:15-17 RSV-CE
I am pleased to be among the "rest of her children".
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