A concept that will greatly help in understanding end time prophecy.

[Keachian]

Know why Jesus said He was the Temple?

Because he was Immanuel, the Perfect Sacrifice, the High Priest, take your pick. Of course all three is a good answer.

 

[Keachian]

No, they do not. But continually stressing who wrote a particular passage of scripture is ignoring the fact that the Holy Spirit inspired all of it, and therefore all of it is from the Holy Spirit, even if individual persinalities shine through.

Well if they don't lose their autonomy then the question I posed, specifically what is Luke's interpretation of the Olivet Discourse is a valid one that I would like you to address.

 

[Biblewriter]

It is actually against forum rules to post material that is unrelated to the subject. I have been drawn into such rabbit tracks too many times. But if you want to post material that does not directly relate to the Op, you should start a new thread.

 

[By Faith Alone]

He didn't. He called His body a temple. That is altogether different from saying He was the temple.

Weeeelllll.....GLLLLAAAAWWWWREEEE. I see no difference but I will rephrase. Why did Jesus say His BODY was a temple?

 

[By Faith Alone]

So is this what daq is all about here.. Claiming that the man of sin sits in the body of Christ?

So now there's sin in Christ.. It's amazing what men come up with to defile the truth.

THAT is the reason I posed the question.

 

[Shocker]

THAT is the reason I posed the question.

 

[Keachian]

THAT is the reason I posed the question.

Well apart from the idea from Daniel, Maccabees and the Olivet Discourse of the Abomination of Desolation being a desecration of the Temple by unholy ones I would say your questioning is right on the money.

 

[Biblewriter]

Weeeelllll.....GLLLLAAAAWWWWREEEE. I see no difference but I will rephrase. Why did Jesus say His BODY was a temple?

Because Jesus is God. Heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him. But He was living in a body made of flesh. That body was a temple He was occupying.

 

[daq]

So is this what daq is all about here.. Claiming that the man of sin sits in the body of Christ?

So now there's sin in Christ.. It's amazing what men come up with to defile the truth.

There is no sin in Messiah and this fact is made perfectly clear in many passages of Scripture, (i.e. Hebrews 4:15). So by your own reasoning you either do not sin or you are not "in" Messiah. Which one is it that you claim?

Yeshua is the Nagiyd-Prince of the Covenant who was to come, (Daniel 9:24-27, Daniel 11:22) and the people of the Prince to come yet continue to defile the sanctuary to this very day because they refuse to believe that they themselves are the sanctuary of the Most High so that they may continue in their own outer darkness which they love more than the Truth.

 

[ebedmelech]

The truth is that many other scriptures clearly describe Judah in her ancient homeland at the time of the end, even as is true again today. But the scriptures that speak of a return of Israel are very specific that the return they are speaking of is a return of All Israel, not of a part of it. And they are just as clear abut the fact that this return will take place after, not before the Lord Comes "with fire, the render His anger with fury, and His rebuke woth flames of fire." (Isaiah 66:15-23)

That is NOT the truth Biblewriter...that is your dispensational construct! The fact is even Jeremiah makes the point this is about Israel and Judah. You CANNOT escape Jeremiah 3 nor Ezekiel 16.

I'm starting to believe this is a matter of "stubborn pride" with you...it's certainly headed that way.

The prophets deal with Israel AND Judah until Israel is dispersed from Samaria, and then prophecies begin to distinctly speak to Judah because God has already executed judgment upon Israel.

It's that simple and you're pretty much trying to escape your error...

 

[Old Timer]

And that stubborn Israel just keeps coming back..

Don't mind the true Israel behind the curtain folks.. it's all an illusion..

 

[Old Timer]

There is no sin in Messiah and this fact is made perfectly clear in many passages of Scripture, (i.e. Hebrews 4:15). So by your own reasoning you either do not sin or you are not "in" Messiah. Which one is it that you claim?

Yeshua is the Nagiyd-Prince of the Covenant who was to come, (Daniel 9:24-27, Daniel 11:22) and the people of the Prince to come yet continue to defile the sanctuary to this very day because they refuse to believe that they themselves are the sanctuary of the Most High so that they may continue in their own outer darkness which they love more than the Truth.

Yeah, and you keep preaching the nonsense that the man of sin takes up residence in the body of Christ..

That should go over well in teh end..

 

[Old Timer]

And you're probably sinless though right daq, is that it?

 

[daq]

So is this what daq is all about here.. Claiming that the man of sin sits in the body of Christ?

So now there's sin in Christ.. It's amazing what men come up with to defile the truth.

And you're probably sinless though right daq, is that it?

Apparently you do not have the answers for anything worthy of comment but are rather only here to cast accusations at those with whom you disagree. It was you who said that I seek to "bring sin into Christ" and that I "defile the truth". Sad thing is that you cannot even tell who is really tabernacled in the heavens or not and if one of those happens to be myself then you blaspheme those tabernacled in the heavens just as you blaspheme the Father and the Son:

Revelation 13:6 KJV
6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Revelation 13:6 YLT
6. and it did open its mouth for evil-speaking toward God, to speak evil of His name, and of His tabernacle, and of those who in the heaven tabernacle,

You obviously have no clue what it means to be "in" Messiah:

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21. That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

Revelation 21:3-5 KJV
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[Old Timer]

Apparently you do not have the answers for anything worthy of comment but are rather only here to cast accusations at those with whom you disagree. It was you who first said that I seek to "bring sin into Christ". Sad thing is that you cannot even tell who is really tabernacled in the heavens or not and if one of those happens to be myself then you blaspheme those tabernacled in the heavens just as you blaspheme the Master and the Father:

Isn't that what you claim here.. that the man of sin sits within the body of Christ?

Yes or no?

Now you can't even admit it.. I don't blame you.. I wouldn't either.

 

[ebedmelech]

And that stubborn Israel just keeps coming back..

Don't mind the true Israel behind the curtain folks.. it's all an illusion..

Typical response from a futurist. However as I read it's God consistently reaching out to what Stephen called in Acts 7:51-53:
51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
52 Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”

Someone missed the true picture...OR they simply don;t believe Matthew 23:37-39.

Oh well...

 

[daq]

Isn't that what you claim here.. that the man of sin sits within the body of Christ?

Yes or no?

Now you can't even admit it.. I don't blame you.. I wouldn't either.

How many times are you going force me to post this passage?

Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

It has already been explained to you that there are two temples: both the entire body of Messiah, of which we are all members in particular, and your own body temple as Paul clearly teaches. Your own scapegoat `Aza'zel coming back from the dry-arid desert places with seven other spirits more wicked than himself is your problem to deal with, not mine or anyone else, it is personal just as is all the Gospel of Yeshua, (the kingdom of God is within you as Yeshua clearly states in Luke 17:20-21).

 

[Keachian]

Typical response from a futurist. However as I read it's God consistently reaching out to what Stephen called in Acts 7:51-53:
51 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
52 Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become;
53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”

Someone missed the true picture...OR they simply don;t believe Matthew 23:37-39.

Oh well...

The sermons in Acts are rather damning towards the complicity of the Jews in the murder of the Holy One of Israel, both Peter and Stephen are calling their audience to repent of this sin and turn back to God, this really in my mind puts to the lie of dispensational futurism.

 

[Shocker]

The sermons in Acts are rather damning towards the complicity of the Jews in the murder of the Holy One of Israel, both Peter and Stephen are calling their audience to repent of this sin and turn back to God, this really in my mind puts to the lie of dispensational futurism.

You realize Jesus came to die right? That he came and knew every detail of what was going to happen to him.

If God was going to condemn the Jews for all eternity, for something he ordained to happen, he would be a hypocrite.

God is not a hypocrite bro.

 

[ebedmelech]

The sermons in Acts are rather damning towards the complicity of the Jews in the murder of the Holy One of Israel, both Peter and Stephen are calling their audience to repent of this sin and turn back to God, this really in my mind puts to the lie of dispensational futurism.

Indeed! This is the true problem of "American Christianity"...it simply doesn't accomodate the history of Israel nor the church, and therefore, forges headlong into mainly the dispensational construct, introduced by John Nelson Darby, and furthered by Cyrius Scofield.

It is a truly erroneus view, that ignores on prophecies that God fulfilled and pushes them into the future as if the never happpend.

*The dispresion of Israel by Assyria.

*The abomination of desolation of Antiochus Epiphanes.

*The destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

Things that are right there if you red the scriptures and not impose on them.

As we know, the disciples were uneducated men for the most part, givien revelation by the Holy Spirit. They proceeded by the power of God to oppose
those who were "educated" yet without the Spirit,

What we have today are teachers that quench the spirit because they've been to seminary...OR...as a good friend of mine calls it "cemetary".

The dispensational approach to eschatology, is simply very bad reading of scripture.