A Complete Skull from Dmanisi

stevevw · Nov 24, 2013

NO. I am saying that the ALL of the prehistoric people of the FIRST world and Adam's descendants, except Noah's family, were totally destroyed in the Flood. They came from the water on the 5th Day when God commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created from the water. Genesis 1:21

God created Adam and Noah is the descendent of Adam. Noah and his family were the only ones god deemed righteous and were saved. Noah's line is traced to Jesus. So there is a continuous line from Adam to Jesus. Jesus is known as the 2nd Adam or last Adam.

Thats all there was Adam and His descendents that lived up until the flood. There were no people that came from the see. Are you saying that some people lived in the sea and could breath under water and they came out and could then breath air.

The bible says Genesis 5.7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

When Noah arrived on our Planet, prehistoric people, were ALREADY here. Out Earth has NEVER suffered a Global Flood and Scripture does NOT say this. ONLY the religion of ancient men teaches this.

Yes many cultures have this story of a flood. They are finding evidence all over the world of fluid catastrophe at least in very large areas if not a world wide flood. The fact that many cultures have this in their history shows that it must have been a significant event.

Noah didn't arrive on our planet he was already here. There were no others after the flood because Noah and his family were the only ones left after the flood.

EVERYwhere we travel into Space, we will also find prehistoric people who came forth from the water, because of God's command which brought people from the water on Adam's world AND the present world, AND whereever we find liquid water in our Universe.

No God created all sea life/creatures/monsters and all the birds of the sky on day 5. He created the animals and man on day 6. Notice how on each day there are 2 groups of creations.

If that is the case we would see a lot of aliens around as there is a lot of liquid out there in the universe. Scientists have discovered evidence of water on mars but no evidence of life.

False accusation which is totally unsupported by Scripture. Noah and his family were the ONLY people who were saved from the total destruction of Adam's world but NOT our world. That's because God made 3 Heavens.

Adams world is our world. As stated Noah is a descendent of Adam and Jesus is a descendent of Noah. The 3 heavens talks about a heaven the sky, heavens the universe and heaven where god sits on his thrown a spiritual realm.

The first heaven or Universe was destroyed in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19
Our present heaven of Universe will be burned. ll Peter 3:10
The THIRD heaven is where ALL the host of it will live with Jesus forever. Genesis 2:1 and Revelation 21:1

Here is the account of Paul who was taken to the THIRD heaven.

ll Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

This is an account of God taking Paul to heaven where god is, the 3rd heaven. He describes not being able to tell whether it was real or not but he knew it was where God is.

God defines "heaven" as the boundary of the Firmament of the first world. With you understanding, tell us what you suppose the 3rd Heaven is.

Beyond the boundary of the firmament is the heavens, the universe. The firmament is the sky. The Bible tells us that God set a firmament in the midst of the waters, divided the waters from the waters, and called the firmament “Heaven” (Genesis 1:6–8 NKJV).

Heaven is mentioned many times in the bible but there is very little said about its location. It is described as a place beyond this world, (Isa. 57:15). His dwelling place--heaven--is not subject to the normal limitations of finite dimensions.

The bible also says there will be a new heaven and a new earth.
Rev 21.1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’b or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

Aman777 · Nov 25, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

My understanding is that the first world, which was much smaller than our Earth, was floating in Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

The highest elevation on the first Earth was 22 1/2 feet. Genesis 7:20 A cubit is 18 inches

Dear Dad, I am adding Scripture to support my views in bold.

The entire first Earth had only 4 rivers Genesis 2:10

The covered Ark simply floated out of the windows of that first heaven into our second heaven, which is also an enclosed Biosphere, within God's Multiverse. Genesis 7:11

Noah did arrive from the first Biosphere into our Biosphere, or second heaven,

I will hope you are a Christian. In that, you do well.

As for your claims, sorry, they are not worth wasting time on, except for a laugh.

Then it should be easy for you to refute me Scripturally. If you decide to do so, you will learn much. I appreciate your questions since it allows me to get into the specific details of the Creation, Scripturally. Thanks again.

Your explanation for skulls then, I take it is that they are leftovers from your specially created water folk? So where can we find this layer, where below is these water people skulls, and above would be normal people skulls?

Good question. Since Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to our world some 10k years ago. ALL of the Skulls BEFORE then are the bones of the sons of God (prehistoric man), who was created and brought forth, from the water, on the 5th Day, on both Adam's world and our own.

Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans, they can produce offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4 What is terrific about this is that God has used this FACT to confuse the all knowing, arrogant, Godless Evols, who are corrupting the minds of our children in the Public Schools with their Evol Lies.

Evols are totally IGNORANT that Humans were made long BEFORE the common ancestor of Apes, which they falsely believe magically evolved into Humans. Humans are the descendants of Adam, the FIRST human whose world was totally destroyed in the Flood. Adam was FIRST made and did NOT evolve from ANY other creature. Genesis 2:4-7

This is WHY I am sure that prehistoric life will be found where ever we find liquid water, within our Universe. The people will look just like Humans, but will NOT have human intelligence since there was but ONE Ark. The reason they will look like Humans is because BOTH of us are His kinds, the kinds which Jesus made with His own Hands. That's God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 25, 2013

Aman777 said:
Originally Posted by Aman777

My understanding is that the first world, which was much smaller than our Earth, was floating in Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

The highest elevation on the first Earth was 22 1/2 feet. Genesis 7:20 A cubit is 18 inches

Dear Dad, I am adding Scripture to support my views in bold.

That is how high the flood water was over the mountains of that day, not now.

The entire first Earth had only 4 rivers Genesis 2:10
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Then it should be easy for you to refute me Scripturally. .

The rivers from the garden do not mean that no other rivers on earth existed.

Good question. Since Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to our world some 10k years ago.

A few problems with that. You assume God did not create man intelligent, but that it came from somewhere else. Also, you base dates on present state dating beliefs. Adam and Eve were not dummies. They were sinners.

Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans, they can produce offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Angels were not made from earth water. It is true that the children they had with women may have. That was an exception rather than the rule thoough, it sounds like. The kids became powerful in society, by an large, but that doesn't mean the population of earth was a majority of angel kids. You cannot make some all encompassing theory over this.

...Humans were made long BEFORE the common ancestor of Apes,...

Who says apes had a common ancestor? How would you know there was not an ape kind?

This is WHY I am sure that prehistoric life will be found where ever we find liquid water, within our Universe.

I would not doubt that some lifeforms exited the planet with the water and ejecta of the flood year, that is possible. However, I don't think large creatures like man or his skulls will be found outside of earth. You can speculate all you like.

Aman777 · Nov 25, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

My understanding is that the first world, which was much smaller than our Earth, was floating in Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat.

The highest elevation on the first Earth was 22 1/2 feet. Genesis 7:20 A cubit is 18 inches

Dear Dad, I am adding Scripture to support my views in bold.

That is how high the flood water was over the mountains of that day, not now.

Dear dad, That is the traditional religious understanding but Scripture does not say the ark was 15 cubits ABOVE mountains. Here is what is actually written:

16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

After 40 days and nights of rain, the Ark lifted off the ground.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

See? The waters increased until they were 15 cubits upward, which covered the mountains. Remember that the first Earth was FLAT. This is because it was in a firmament or solid boundary which protected the Earth of Adam from the water into which it was placed. Genesis 1:6-8

Take an enclosed empty basketball with a hole in the top and put water into it like God did the FIRMAMENT. Then put ground into it on top of the water and the ground or Earth will be FLAT. This is the description of what happened in Genesis 1:9-10:

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

The entire first Earth had only 4 rivers Genesis 2:10

They ALL ran out of the Garden of Eden since it was 15 cubits above the Flat Earth. IF Scripture were speaking of our Planet, 4 Rivers would run from Mount Everest and water the whole face of our Planet. This is totally untrue IF you believe that our world was flooded instead of Adam's world.

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Aman:>>Then it should be easy for you to refute me Scripturally. .

The rivers from the garden do not mean that no other rivers on earth existed.

Here is the Scripture which refutes that idea:

Gen 2:10¶ And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

A single River which splits into 4 other Rivers and waters the whole face of our world is NON-EXISTENT. Our world has thousands of Rivers but NONE of them covers the whole face of the land.

Good question. Since Noah brought the human intelligence of Adam to our world some 10k years ago.

A few problems with that. You assume God did not create man intelligent, but that it came from somewhere else. Also, you base dates on present state dating beliefs. Adam and Eve were not dummies. They were sinners.

Prehistoric man was smarter than any other creature, but dumb as a post, when compared to Human intelligence. This is because Adam had an intelligence like God's (Genesis 3:22) since man is destined to have dominion over every other living being AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and AFTER every creature becomes a vegetarian as the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-29 clearly states. All creatures becoming vegetarians is shown in Isaiah 11:7 when the Lion eats straw like the Ox after Jesus returns at the end of time.

Also Adam and Eve are no longer sinners since BOTH were "created in God's Image" or in Christ, and are as certain for the THIRD heaven as Jesus. Like all of us, both were sinners, and like some of us, both were born again Spiritually. Genesis 1:27 AND Genesis 5:1-2

Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans, they can produce offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Angels were not made from earth water. It is true that the children they had with women may have. That was an exception rather than the rule thoough, it sounds like. The kids became powerful in society, by an large, but that doesn't mean the population of earth was a majority of angel kids. You cannot make some all encompassing theory over this.

Angels had NOTHING to do with producing the intellectual Giants of the first Earth, and they had NOTHING to do with fullfilling the PROPHECY of "and also after that" which happened on our Earth when Noah's grandsons produced todays humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived. Angels just don't fit in the genetic makeup of Humans and are messangers and created LOWER than mankind, which will have dominion over them and judge them in Heaven. 1Cr 6:3

...Humans were made long BEFORE the common ancestor of Apes,...

Who says apes had a common ancestor? How would you know there was not an ape kind?

Amen. The common ancestor of Humankind is Adam, who was made by the Hands of Jesus, called LORD God in Genesis 2 where Adam is fashioned. LORD God is what the KJV translators called YHWH, which NO man knows how to say. Rev 19:12 I believe what Science calls "common ancestors" are the FIRST kinds which Jesus made like a Potter molds the Clay. I know that without Jesus was not anything made which was made. John 1:3

This is WHY I am sure that prehistoric life will be found where ever we find liquid water, within our Universe.

I would not doubt that some lifeforms exited the planet with the water and ejecta of the flood year, that is possible. However, I don't think large creatures like man or his skulls will be found outside of earth. You can speculate all you like.

God commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day which was some 4.5 Billion years in length. This was BEFORE our Earth had cooled, and yet, some 3.7 billion years ago Life appeared in the water of our world. This first life adapted and spread, the same as it will on any other Planet in our Universe which is affected by God's Holy Word.

We know that life appeared some 13.7 Billion years ago on Adam's Earth, and some 3.7 Billion years ago, lviing bacteria appeared in the water of our Earth. God's command is still producing life in the Black Smokers of our Earth, since God is STILL creating. This makes me sure that we will also find life when Humans travel throughout our Universe.

I believe this will happen during the thousand year reign of Jesus on our Earth. I'm sure that He will be totally familiar with how to travel through our Universe since He is the Creator of it. Our God is an Awesome God. Jesus IS Lord. God bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 25, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear dad, That is the traditional religious understanding but Scripture does not say the ark was 15 cubits ABOVE mountains. Here is what is actually written:

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

See? The waters increased until they were 15 cubits upward, which covered the mountains. Remember that the first Earth was FLAT.

No why would we remember something you invented? Guess we better add flat earth to your list of claims.

This is because it was in a firmament or solid boundary which protected the Earth of Adam from the water into which it was placed. Genesis 1:6-8

No. The earth of Adam and everyone else got covered with water.

From the same chapter we see this..

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Only Noah remained alive ON the EARTH as it says six ways from Sunday. Almost like God knew folks like you woulld exist one day, so He made it very clear!

Take an enclosed empty basketball with a hole in the top and put water into it like God did the FIRMAMENT. Then put ground into it on top of the water and the ground or Earth will be FLAT. This is the description of what happened in Genesis 1:9-10:

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

No. You seem to prefer to translate firmament in some way that is a whacked out as your theory.

They ALL ran out of the Garden of Eden since it was 15 cubits above the Flat Earth. IF Scripture were speaking of our Planet, 4 Rivers would run from Mount Everest and water the whole face of our Planet. This is totally untrue IF you believe that our world was flooded instead of Adam's world.

Firstly the mountain building that uplifted Everest was not in creation week. Also, it does not suggest that the rivers in the garden area were the only rivers on earth. That is foolish.

.....Here is the Scripture which refutes that idea:

Gen 2:10¶ And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

A single River which splits into 4 other Rivers and waters the whole face of our world is NON-EXISTENT.

It did not say it watered the world. That is foolish talk.

Prehistoric man was smarter than any other creature, but dumb as a post, when compared to Human intelligence.

Easy to make stuff up.

This is because Adam had an intelligence like God's (Genesis 3:22) since man is destined to have dominion over every other living being AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and AFTER every creature becomes a vegetarian as the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-29 clearly states. All creatures becoming vegetarians is shown in Isaiah 11:7 when the Lion eats straw like the Ox after Jesus returns at the end of time.

It is true that eating grass will be the norm, however, that does not mean that someone was dumb or that diet was the reason God gave anyone dominion.

Also Adam and Eve are no longer sinners since BOTH were "created in God's Image" or in Christ, and are as certain for the THIRD heaven as Jesus. Like all of us, both were sinners, and like some of us, both were born again Spiritually. Genesis 1:27 AND Genesis 5:1-2

They obviously were sinners, and sinned! Ever heard of the curse?

Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans, they can produce offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I missed the part about angels being created from water and looking exactly like man...oh, right, you made that up.

Angels had NOTHING to do with producing the intellectual Giants of the first Earth, and they had NOTHING to do with fullfilling the PROPHECY of "and also after that" which happened on our Earth when Noah's grandsons produced todays humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived.

Says you. However sons of god is the term for angels as scholars will admit.

Angels just don't fit in the genetic makeup of Humans and are messangers and created LOWER than mankind, which will have dominion over them and judge them in Heaven. 1Cr 6:3

Funny the bible says we were lower than angels. Busted you be.

Heb 2:7 -Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

...I believe what Science calls "common ancestors" are the FIRST kinds

OK, I agree, however that doesn't include any mystical water creatures, or billions of years or other planets..etc!

God commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day which was some 4.5 Billion years in length.

A day was a day.

If a day was billions of years, then when God made plants one day, how would plants live many billions of years with no sun?

This was BEFORE our Earth had cooled,

The bible never said it was ever hot! Gong.

and yet, some 3.7 billion years ago Life appeared in the water of our world.

Nothing appeared it was created, and not in your fantasy timeframe.

This first life adapted and spread, the same as it will on any other Planet in our Universe which is affected by God's Holy Word.

Speculation.

We know that life appeared some 13.7 Billion years ago on Adam's Earth,

No, we know nothing of the foolish sort.

God's command is still producing life in the Black Smokers of our Earth, since God is STILL creating.

No. Go to a maternity ward. Life reproduces and continues.

I believe this will happen during the thousand year reign of Jesus on our Earth. I'm sure that He will be totally familiar with how to travel through our Universe since He is the Creator of it.

travel is all well and good, but that doesn't help your case.

Aman777 · Nov 26, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear dad, That is the traditional religious understanding but Scripture does not say the ark was 15 cubits ABOVE mountains. Here is what is actually written:

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

See? The waters increased until they were 15 cubits upward, which covered the mountains. Remember that the first Earth was FLAT.

No why would we remember something you invented? Guess we better add flat earth to your list of claims.

This is because it was in a firmament or solid boundary which protected the Earth of Adam from the water into which it was placed. Genesis 1:6-8

No. The earth of Adam and everyone else got covered with water.

I know that. I am speaking of the 2nd Day when the firmament was made.

Gen 1:6¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

God commanded the firmament be placed in the midst or middle of the water, and divide the waters from the waters. Have you ever tried to put a ball, which is also a firmament, into the middle of water had have it divide the waters from the waters? IF you do, you will find that the ball is in the water and totally surrounded by water, just as the above verse says.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

This is NOT the way our world began, is it? Our world is not surrounded by water. Is it? This is the account of the beginning of Adam's world, which was later destroyed in the flood. The windows of the firmament were opened, the firmament filled with water and sank in Lake Van, Turkey. The covered Ark floated to the top of the firmament and out into the biggest Lake in the middle East, in the mountains of Ararat.

From the same chapter we see this..

Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Only Noah remained alive ON the EARTH as it says six ways from Sunday. Almost like God knew folks like you woulld exist one day, so He made it very clear!

Sorry, but the verses you posted do NOT say what you are saying. They say that Noah remained alive, and those with him in the Ark. They say NOTHING about "ON the EARTH." Noah, at the time, was in the Ark above the first Earth, and NOT on the Earth. If he had been on the Earth, Humankind would have become extinct.

Aman:>>Take an enclosed empty basketball with a hole in the top and put water into it like God did the FIRMAMENT. Then put ground into it on top of the water and the ground or Earth will be FLAT. This is the description of what happened in Genesis 1:9-10:

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

No. You seem to prefer to translate firmament in some way that is a whacked out as your theory.

Then explain what a firmament/heaven is with your understanding. I define it as the boundary of the first Universe which protected the Earth from the water into which it was placed. Since God called the firmament "heaven", it also contained Air. When the firmament filled with water, it sank. Nothing whacked out about that. Right?

Aman:>>They ALL ran out of the Garden of Eden since it was 15 cubits above the Flat Earth. IF Scripture were speaking of our Planet, 4 Rivers would run from Mount Everest and water the whole face of our Planet. This is totally untrue IF you believe that our world was flooded instead of Adam's world.

Firstly the mountain building that uplifted Everest was not in creation week. Also, it does not suggest that the rivers in the garden area were the only rivers on earth. That is foolish.

Aman:>>.....Here is the Scripture which refutes that idea:

Gen 2:10¶ And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

A single River which splits into 4 other Rivers and waters the whole face of our world is NON-EXISTENT.

It did not say it watered the world. That is foolish talk.

Correction. It doesn't say it in Genesis 2:10, but it does in Genesis 2:6:

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The mist of the garden became a single River and ran out of the garden, split into 4 Rivers, and watered the whole face of the ground (Hebrew-Earth)

Aman:>>Prehistoric man was smarter than any other creature, but dumb as a post, when compared to Human intelligence.

Easy to make stuff up.

Prehistoric man left drawings, and showed reverence for their dead, had primitive tools, all of which shows that they were smarter than the other animals of the time. They didn't become humans until they had children with Noah's descendants, and the children inherited the superior intelligence of Adam.

Aman:>>This is because Adam had an intelligence like God's (Genesis 3:22) since man is destined to have dominion over every other living being AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth and AFTER every creature becomes a vegetarian as the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-29 clearly states. All creatures becoming vegetarians is shown in Isaiah 11:7 when the Lion eats straw like the Ox after Jesus returns at the end of time.

It is true that eating grass will be the norm, however, that does not mean that someone was dumb or that diet was the reason God gave anyone dominion.

Sorry, but Jesus KNEW that He wanted Humans to have dominion over every other living creature BEFORE He made Adam of the dust of the ground, on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4-7 Adam was FIRST made, long BEFORE plants, herbs, trees, the first Stars of our world, and BEFORE the common ancestor of Apes showing that the False ToE is a Lie.

Humans could NOT have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes because we were made Billions of years BEFORE our Planet Earth was made.

Aman:>>Also Adam and Eve are no longer sinners since BOTH were "created in God's Image" or in Christ, and are as certain for the THIRD heaven as Jesus. Like all of us, both were sinners, and like some of us, both were born again Spiritually. Genesis 1:27 AND Genesis 5:1-2

They obviously were sinners, and sinned! Ever heard of the curse?

I agree that they sinned but Scripture also shows they were "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually. This means that they will be with us in Heaven, thanks to Jesus.

Aman:>>Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans, they can produce offspring with each other. Genesis 6:4

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I missed the part about angels being created from water and looking exactly like man...oh, right, you made that up.

You keep claiming that I said Angels were created from water, but that is not True. It's you who keeps implying that the sons of God were Angels, but when asked for Scripture to support your view, you don't post any.

Aman:>>Angels had NOTHING to do with producing the intellectual Giants of the first Earth, and they had NOTHING to do with fullfilling the PROPHECY of "and also after that" which happened on our Earth when Noah's grandsons produced todays humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived.

Says you. However sons of god is the term for angels as scholars will admit.

Angels just don't fit in the genetic makeup of Humans and are messangers and created LOWER than mankind, which will have dominion over them and judge them in Heaven. 1Cr 6:3

Funny the bible says we were lower than angels. Busted you be.

Heb 2:7 -Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

I fear for your comprehension since this verse is speaking of Jesus. This is clear two verses down. Hbr 2:9

Aman:>>...I believe what Science calls "common ancestors" are the FIRST kinds

OK, I agree, however that doesn't include any mystical water creatures, or billions of years or other planets..etc!

God commanded that "every living creature that moveth" be created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day which was some 4.5 Billion years in length.

A day was a day.

The Hebrew word for "Day" can mean 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime, or FOREVER. The 7th Day, for example is Eternity. The Hebrew word means "a period of time" and NOT just a 24 hour period of time.

If a day was billions of years, then when God made plants one day, how would plants live many billions of years with no sun?

They were lit by Jesus. He is brighter than the Noonday Sun, as is shown on the road to Damascus where Jesus blinded Paul and His brightness surrounded Paul, because His Light is brighter than the Noonday Sun. Act 22:6

Aman:>>This was BEFORE our Earth had cooled,

The bible never said it was ever hot! Gong.

Our Earth is only 4.53 billion years old. Jesus made our Universe AND Adam some 13.7 Billion years ago. Gen. 2:4-7 This means that our Earth was not cooled enough for life until 3.7 billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared in the water, because of God's command on the 5th Day.

and yet, some 3.7 billion years ago Life appeared in the water of our world.

Nothing appeared it was created, and not in your fantasy timeframe.

Sorry, but that is the Scientific Truth which agrees with Genesis 1:21. I suppose you think there is one Truth for Science and another for God. That is NOT so.

This first life adapted and spread, the same as it will on any other Planet in our Universe which is affected by God's Holy Word.

Speculation.

Supported by Scripture, Science, and History, while your's is based on faith in the religion of ancient men.

We know that life appeared some 13.7 Billion years ago on Adam's Earth,

No, we know nothing of the foolish sort.

Genesis 2:4-7 tells us man was formed on the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made (Gen. 1:9-10), but BEFORE the plants grew. The plants GREW on the THIRD Day. Genesis 1:12 Since today is STILL the 6th Day as God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or In Christ, each of God's Days is some 4.5 billion years in length. I don't expect you to believe this since it doesn't fit with your old time religion, but it's God's Truth.

God's command is still producing life in the Black Smokers of our Earth, since God is STILL creating.

No. Go to a maternity ward. Life reproduces and continues.

I'm speaking of the Scriptural Fact that we are living TODAY at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating sinners into New Creatures in Christ. We will NOT advance to the PROPHECY of Gen. 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign on this Earth at the end of time. Isaiah 11

I believe this will happen during the thousand year reign of Jesus on our Earth. I'm sure that He will be totally familiar with how to travel through our Universe since He is the Creator of it.

travel is all well and good, but that doesn't help your case.

Then you tell us what we will do while Jesus is ruling and reigning here for a thousand years. I'm all ears. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

freezerman2000 · Nov 26, 2013

This is rich...
But, PLEASE..proceed!

dad · Nov 27, 2013

Aman777 said:
God commanded the firmament be placed in the midst or middle of the water, and divide the waters from the waters. Have you ever tried to put a ball, which is also a firmament, into the middle of water had have it divide the waters from the waters? IF you do, you will find that the ball is in the water and totally surrounded by water, just as the above verse says.

No. If a ball is a firmament, all we need to do is put a pot of water above the ball. Put one under it too. Now dump the pot on top on the earth or ball. You see, the water that was above the ball comes down.

This is NOT the way our world began, is it? Our world is not surrounded by water. Is it?

Yes, it was. Some say that there is water on the outside of space. All we need is a wormhole sort of window twixt the two, and voila! Down comes water.

Noah, at the time, was in the Ark above the first Earth, and NOT on the Earth.

So a ship going to Europe is not on the earth? Should it expect dumbed down aliens when it gets there?

If he had been on the Earth, Humankind would have become extinct.

If all you mean is that the water lifted the ark for awhile fine. Don't go dreaming up other planets now. Calm down.

Then explain what a firmament/heaven is with your understanding.

I don't know. The best explanation I heard was that space was the firmament. There is water on the other side.

I define it as the boundary of the first Universe which protected the Earth from the water into which it was placed.

One problem, you need to invent new universes!

Since God called the firmament "heaven", it also contained Air. When the firmament filled with water, it sank. Nothing whacked out about that. Right?

Wrong. Before we hit space we hit the sky. That has air. No need to sink a planet or create another universe.

Aman:>>They ALL ran out of the Garden of Eden since it was 15 cubits above the Flat Earth. IF Scripture were speaking of our Planet, 4 Rivers would run from Mount Everest and water the whole face of our Planet. This is totally untrue IF you believe that our world was flooded instead of Adam's world.

Rivers do generally run in a manner consistent with gravity. However that does not mean that Eden was any particular elevation as you cite. The flood was long after the garden of Eden anyhow.

Correction. It doesn't say it in Genesis 2:10, but it does in Genesis 2:6:

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The mist of the garden became a single River and ran out of the garden, split into 4 Rivers, and watered the whole face of the ground (Hebrew-Earth)

Speculation. That may be right, or there may have been another source such as a spring or whatever. We are not told that the mist made rivers. Try not to guess and pretend you are certain.

Prehistoric man left drawings, and showed reverence for their dead, had primitive tools, all of which shows that they were smarter than the other animals of the time.

I assume that the cave art was post flood. But of course man is smarter than animals. So?

They didn't become humans until they had children with Noah's descendants, and the children inherited the superior intelligence of Adam.

Absurd. Now you have these zombie vegetable brained water spawned human like thingies 'becoming human' via sex! Nope. Mankind was a creation of God, brains and all. No imaginary zombies needed, except in absurd theories.

Sorry, but Jesus KNEW that He wanted Humans to have dominion over every other living creature BEFORE He made Adam of the dust of the ground, on the THIRD Day.

False. The creation order is in chapter one. Those that confuse chapter two as some alternate creation order end up with theories like you.

Humans could NOT have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes because we were made Billions of years BEFORE our Planet Earth was made.

Go tell that one to Buck Rogers. How anyone would pawn such intellectual slop off as bible based is astounding.

Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans,

Ha.

You keep claiming that I said Angels were created from water, but that is not True. It's you who keeps implying that the sons of God were Angels, but when asked for Scripture to support your view, you don't post any.

When I cited scholars you yelped. I am not going to pretend sons of god such as those that came for the council with God in Job are idiot human look alikes who need sex to get a brain!

Heb 2:7 -Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

I fear for your comprehension since this verse is speaking of Jesus. This is clear two verses down. Hbr 2:9

Right, notice the son of man became a man? Otherwise He would not be able to be lower than angels for a little while.

The Hebrew word for "Day" can mean 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime, or FOREVER. The 7th Day, for example is Eternity. The Hebrew word means "a period of time" and NOT just a 24 hour period of time.

A morning and an evening are also given, to show context.

Our Earth is only 4.53 billion years old. Jesus made our Universe AND Adam some 13.7 Billion years ago. Gen. 2:4-7 This means that our Earth was not cooled enough for life until 3.7 billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared in the water, because of God's command on the 5th Day.

Repeating imaginary ages doesn't make them real. I would be ashamed to so violently distort and twist the word of God, to try to accommodate science. Shameful. Disgraceful. Embarrassing.

Supported by Scripture, Science, and History, while your's is based on faith in the religion of ancient men.

Hey, at least my ancient men had brains!

.. today is STILL the 6th Day

So God never rested after all like He said He did. Thank heaven we have you to show us when He lies I guess?

as God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or In Christ,

The creation was finished by chapter 2 actually, for those that can read...

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

each of God's Days is some 4.5 billion years in length.

My, the plants did well then to survive 9 billion years without any sun!!!

Then you tell us what we will do while Jesus is ruling and reigning here for a thousand years. I'm all ears. God Bless you.

How would I know? Lots of fun wonderful stuff no doubt.

Aman777 · Nov 27, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

God commanded the firmament be placed in the midst or middle of the water, and divide the waters from the waters. Have you ever tried to put a ball, which is also a firmament, into the middle of water had have it divide the waters from the waters? IF you do, you will find that the ball is in the water and totally surrounded by water, just as the above verse says.

No. If a ball is a firmament, all we need to do is put a pot of water above the ball. Put one under it too. Now dump the pot on top on the earth or ball. You see, the water that was above the ball comes down.

Dear Dad, Try to do better than that. The ONLY reason for the "added" pot is to make it agree with your Religion. There is NOTHING about a metal pot, or a metalic shield, as the ancient goat herder Theology falsely supposes. The firmament was solid and it completely surrounded the entire first world. It had windows in the top to let the 450 foot Ark out of the firmament.

When the windows were opened, the entire world of Adam was totally destroyed. ll Peter 3:5 Isaiah tells us it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. Isaiah 24:19 This is NOT the way our world began, is it? Our world is not surrounded by water, and has NEVER been totally destroyed in a Global Flood. Has it?

Yes, it was. Some say that there is water on the outside of space. All we need is a wormhole sort of window twixt the two, and voila! Down comes water.

No comment since NO chapter and verse was given. It's called hear say.

Noah, at the time, was in the Ark above the first Earth, and NOT on the Earth.

So a ship going to Europe is not on the earth? Should it expect dumbed down aliens when it gets there?

Adam's world was made the 2nd Day. Gen. 1:6-8 Our world and the 3rd Heaven were made the 3rd Day. Gen. 2:4 The ARK was above Adam's Earth and NOT ours.

If he had been on the Earth, Humankind would have become extinct.

If all you mean is that the water lifted the ark for awhile fine. Don't go dreaming up other planets now. Calm down.

I'm very calm. I know what I post is controversial...BUT...it agrees in every way with God's Holy Word. It's up to you to tell us WHY God put windows in the top of the solid firmament.

Then explain what a firmament/heaven is with your understanding.

I don't know. The best explanation I heard was that space was the firmament. There is water on the other side.

Only if you put your faith in hear say of unidentified mortal men. I prefer Scripture myself.

I define it as the boundary of the first Universe which protected the Earth from the water into which it was placed.

One problem, you need to invent new universes!

False accusation since I have posted supporting Scripture many times. Gen. 1:6-8 shows that the first "Heaven" was made the SECOND DAY. Genesis 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the first "EARTH" was made, but BEFORE the plants grew.

The first Earth was made the THIRD Day. Gen. 1:9-10
The plants, herbs, and Trees GREW the THIRD Day. Gen. 1:12

That is at least 3 Heavens, firmaments, or boundaries of Universes, which were made by the beginning of the THIRD Day. Let's see you refute that. I know you cannot but your comedic answers are entertaining.

Since God called the firmament "heaven", it also contained Air. When the firmament filled with water, it sank. Nothing whacked out about that. Right?

Wrong. Before we hit space we hit the sky. That has air. No need to sink a planet or create another universe.

Sorry, but 1 heaven made the 2nd Day plus other heavenS made the 3rd Day equals at least 3 heavens within our Multiverse. This is because 1 plus 2=3. Let's see your math, which refutes God's Truth.

Aman:>>They ALL ran out of the Garden of Eden since it was 15 cubits above the Flat Earth. IF Scripture were speaking of our Planet, 4 Rivers would run from Mount Everest and water the whole face of our Planet. This is totally untrue IF you believe that our world was flooded instead of Adam's world.

Rivers do generally run in a manner consistent with gravity. However that does not mean that Eden was any particular elevation as you cite. The flood was long after the garden of Eden anyhow.

I love these answers. Water ALWAYS seeks the lowest level and so does the water in Rivers, so you first statement is hilarious. Read the context after the rain began and you will see that it took 40 days and nights for the water to lift the Ark up from the Earth. Read on and you will see that the highest point of elevation is listed as 15 cubits above the Garden of Eden where the 4 Rivers originated, showing it was STILL there.

According to Scripture, it was some 1729 years AFTER Adam and Eve were "created in God's Image" and their days of life in the flesh began to be counted. Genesis 5:1-5 Did the Garden just disappear? How was the first world watered if the Garden was gone, with it's 4 Rivers? I would really like to see the Scripture which demonstrates this.

Correction. It doesn't say it in Genesis 2:10, but it does in Genesis 2:6:

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

The mist of the garden became a single River and ran out of the garden, split into 4 Rivers, and watered the whole face of the ground (Hebrew-Earth)

Speculation. That may be right, or there may have been another source such as a spring or whatever. We are not told that the mist made rivers. Try not to guess and pretend you are certain.

Prehistoric man left drawings, and showed reverence for their dead, had primitive tools, all of which shows that they were smarter than the other animals of the time.

I assume that the cave art was post flood. But of course man is smarter than animals. So?

Cave Art was pre flood because Noah had not arrived from the first world yet. The was NO flood on our Planet, but it did totally destroy the world that "THEN WAS", the world of Adam. ll Peter 3:5

They didn't become humans until they had children with Noah's descendants, and the children inherited the superior intelligence of Adam.

Absurd. Now you have these zombie vegetable brained water spawned human like thingies 'becoming human' via sex! Nope. Mankind was a creation of God, brains and all. No imaginary zombies needed, except in absurd theories.

Tell us of YOUR theory. So far, all I've seen are negative comments supported by nothing but your own personal opinion.

Sorry, but Jesus KNEW that He wanted Humans to have dominion over every other living creature BEFORE He made Adam of the dust of the ground, on the THIRD Day.

False. The creation order is in chapter one. Those that confuse chapter two as some alternate creation order end up with theories like you.

The creation order is in chapter one. In fact, the entire History of the 6 Days or Ages, including events future to our time, is contained within the pages of Genesis ONE. This is because God is STILL "creating" sinners in God's Image which is Christ. (Genesis 1:27) The prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to the Earth at the end of time. Isaiah 11

Humans could NOT have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes because we were made Billions of years BEFORE our Planet Earth was made.

Go tell that one to Buck Rogers. How anyone would pawn such intellectual slop off as bible based is astounding.

Be nice. You are dissing God's Holy Word unaware. If you keep it up, you will have to account for many idle words. IF you could understand Scripture, you would see that Adam was made BEFORE plants, herbs, rain, the first Stars of our world, and EVERY other living creature, according to Genesis 2:4-7.

Since the sons of God who were created from the water look exactly like Humans,

Ha.

You keep claiming that I said Angels were created from water, but that is not True. It's you who keeps implying that the sons of God were Angels, but when asked for Scripture to support your view, you don't post any.

When I cited scholars you yelped. I am not going to pretend sons of god such as those that came for the council with God in Job are idiot human look alikes who need sex to get a brain!

Do any of your "scholars" know that we continue to live on the 6th Day according to Genesis 1:27? Why haven't they told us that Adam was made the THIRD Day? Why haven't they told us that Jesus is the Light of the FIRST Day? Why haven't they told us that Elohim is the Trinity and that YHWH is Jesus in the O.T.? Sorry, but I find that most Biblical "scholars" are too busy fighting over the meaning of ancient words, than they are actually reading and understanding what is written.

Heb 2:7 -Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

I fear for your comprehension since this verse is speaking of Jesus. This is clear two verses down. Hbr 2:9

Right, notice the son of man became a man? Otherwise He would not be able to be lower than angels for a little while.

The Hebrew word for "Day" can mean 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime, or FOREVER. The 7th Day, for example is Eternity. The Hebrew word means "a period of time" and NOT just a 24 hour period of time.

A morning and an evening are also given, to show context.

False, since the 7th Day has NO evening, and no ending, since it is Eternity when God rests from ALL of His work of creating. This is future since it takes the agreement of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to create a sinner in Christ. Genesis 1:26 God continues to create new Christians TODAY. When He rests from ALL of His work, it will be too late to be created in Christ by the agreement of the Trnity. Gen. 2:2-3

Our Earth is only 4.53 billion years old. Jesus made our Universe AND Adam some 13.7 Billion years ago. Gen. 2:4-7 This means that our Earth was not cooled enough for life until 3.7 billion years ago when the first bacteria appeared in the water, because of God's command on the 5th Day.

Repeating imaginary ages doesn't make them real. I would be ashamed to so violently distort and twist the word of God, to try to accommodate science. Shameful. Disgraceful. Embarrassing.

Supported by Scripture, Science, and History, while your's is based on faith in the religion of ancient men.

Hey, at least my ancient men had brains!

.. today is STILL the 6th Day

So God never rested after all like He said He did. Thank heaven we have you to show us when He lies I guess?

as God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or In Christ,

The creation was finished by chapter 2 actually, for those that can read...

Hey, you got one right. The creation of the third heaven and it's host will NOT be complete until the end of the present 6th Day. At that time, God's work will be FINISHED, which in Hebrew means brought to perfection. Then, and only then, God will rest from ALL of His work of Creating, and then He will rest.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

The heavens and earth of the third heaven will be finished, or brought to perfection and ALL of the host of Heaven will be in Heaven. This means that the last sinner to be saved will ALSO be in Heaven.

each of God's Days is some 4.5 billion years in length.

My, the plants did well then to survive 9 billion years without any sun!!!

The plants of Adam's world were lighted by Jesus, who is brighter than the Noonday Sun. Jesus will also provide the light of the 3rd Heaven. Rev 21:23

Then you tell us what we will do while Jesus is ruling and reigning here for a thousand years. I'm all ears. God Bless you.

How would I know? Lots of fun wonderful stuff no doubt.

God tells us that we cannot imagine the wonder of the things He has made for us. Is it too much to believe we will travel throughout the universe, after Jesus returns? God bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 27, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Dad, Try to do better than that. The ONLY reason for the "added" pot is to make it agree with your Religion.

No. The reason for water above the firmament is because the bible says there was water above it. It doesn't get any better than that!

The firmament was solid and it completely surrounded the entire first world.

Says who? Opinion.

It had windows in the top to let the 450 foot Ark out of the firmament.

Insanity.

ll Peter 3:5 Isaiah tells us it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood.

It says this actually.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

"
Heavens ... earth compacted out of water and amidst water, by the word of God ...
As Payne said, Peter's source here is Gen. 1:6-10. F21 Caffin also stressed this saying, "Peter's words are evidently derived from the Book of Genesis, not from any other sources, whether Greek, Egyptian, or Indian? F22 Therefore, the best commentary on what Peter meant here is in Genesis, to which he obviously referred. Disputes about what is meant by the earth being compacted out of water and amidst the water are best resolved by understanding this as Peter's reference to what took place in Creation. The big point is in the final phrase of this clause:
By the word of God ...
The universe itself was created by the great First Cause, who is God. The heavens and the earth were created by God, "not by a fortuitous concourse of atoms, or by spontaneous generation." F23 Peter is presenting arguments against the mockers, his first being against their naturalism, as in this verse. God is behind everything, and that immeasurably important truth the mockers were willfully ignoring."

2[bless and do not curse]Peter - Chapter 3 - Coffman's Commentary of the New Testament on StudyLight.orgIsaiah 24:19 This is NOT the way our world began, is it? Our world is not surrounded by water, and has NEVER been totally destroyed in a Global Flood. Has it?

Adam's world was made the 2nd Day. Gen. 1:6-8 Our world and the 3rd Heaven were made the 3rd Day. Gen. 2:4 The ARK was above Adam's Earth and NOT ours.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Son of man is coming to this earth. Right onto a specific mountain, in a real nation and area. So also was the flood, not in some weird other planet with magical widows an ark could be teleported through and etc.

If he had been on the Earth, Humankind would have become extinct.

Except for the ark, they did. This is news?

It's up to you to tell us WHY God put windows in the top of the solid firmament.

It may not be as solid as you imagined.

False accusation since I have posted supporting Scripture many times. Gen. 1:6-8 shows that the first "Heaven" was made the SECOND DAY. Genesis 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the first "EARTH" was made, but BEFORE the plants grew.

Nope. The heavens consist of the atmosphere as well as space.

That is at least 3 Heavens, firmaments, or boundaries of Universes, which were made by the beginning of the THIRD Day. Let's see you refute that.

OK. The only universes other than this one are in your head, not in Genesis.

Sorry, but 1 heaven made the 2nd Day plus other heavenS made the 3rd Day equals at least 3 heavens within our Multiverse. This is because 1 plus 2=3. Let's see your math, which refutes God's Truth.

The heavens contained the stars which were made the same day as the sun. If there were a bunch of silly multiverses twixt us and the stars, how would we see them?

I love these answers. Water ALWAYS seeks the lowest level and so does the water in Rivers, so you first statement is hilarious.

In no way does water going down mean that it must start at so many cubits! Stop pretending to know when you do not.

Read the context after the rain began and you will see that it took 40 days and nights for the water to lift the Ark up from the Earth. Read on and you will see that the highest point of elevation is listed as 15 cubits above the Garden of Eden where the 4 Rivers originated, showing it was STILL there.

No, the garden was long gone by the time of the flood. Get a grip.

Did the Garden just disappear?

Well, we don't know do we? I can guess. But with someone like you, I better not.

How was the first world watered if the Garden was gone, with it's 4 Rivers?

Easy. There were lots of seas and rivers and lakes and mist. Trying to pretend no other rivers existed on earth is pathetic. Why would God cast them out into a world with no water or rivers!!!! Makes no sense at all.

Cave Art was pre flood because Noah had not arrived from the first world yet.

Your imaginary reasons are not what make the art post flood. Claiming art must be dated strictly by your imaginary worlds is just not a go.

The was NO flood on our Planet,

Gong. Jesus even went to visit some folks from the flood when He was here, remember? He didn't go in a spaceship to other worlds or dreamed up universes.

Tell us of YOUR theory. So far, all I've seen are negative comments supported by nothing but your own personal opinion.

Theory? About what?

Shortened for brevity sake.....

Aman777 · Nov 27, 2013

dad said:
No. The reason for water above the firmament is because the bible says there was water above it. It doesn't get any better than that!

Dear Dad, Picture a giant clear fishbowl, which allows you to see inside. Now add windows on the top so that you can seal it from the outside world. Add water plus ground with air above and you will have a completely enclosed Biosphere in which to put living creatures.

Says who? Opinion.

Be nice. I always support my view with Scripture while you take the words of men who don't know what Day it is. Read Genesis 1:9-10 and study them and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand, and you should be able to understand IF you have been born again Spiritually.

Insanity.
It says this actually.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perishedGreek-destroyed totally).

Sorry, but you have confused those verses for Isaiah's words in Isaiah 24:19 which tell of the first world being "clean dissolved" in the Flood....BUT...since we are here, notice that Peter is speaking of the world that THEN WAS being destroyed totally in the Flood.

What is interesting is to read the entire message which is contained in ll Peter 3:3-7 so you can identify the people who are willingly ignorant that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days, and those who mock God by saying:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I wouldn't think that you would want to be connected with the Scoffers of the last Days who don't believe in Jesus. Right?

Big Snip of other men's religion>>>>>

The Son of man is coming to this earth. Right onto a specific mountain, in a real nation and area. So also was the flood, not in some weird other planet with magical widows an ark could be teleported through and etc.
Except for the ark, they did. This is news?
It may not be as solid as you imagined.
Nope. The heavens consist of the atmosphere as well as space.

Thanks for your opinion. When do you think you can get around to posting Scripture which supports your views?

OK. The only universes other than this one are in your head, not in Genesis.
The heavens contained the stars which were made the same day as the sun. If there were a bunch of silly multiverses twixt us and the stars, how would we see them?
In no way does water going down mean that it must start at so many cubits! Stop pretending to know when you do not.

Sorry, but your Religion is completely opposite of God's Truth. Are you sure you have read Genesis?

No, the garden was long gone by the time of the flood. Get a grip.
Well, we don't know do we? I can guess. But with someone like you, I better not.
Easy. There were lots of seas and rivers and lakes and mist. Trying to pretend no other rivers existed on earth is pathetic. Why would God cast them out into a world with no water or rivers!!!! Makes no sense at all.
Your imaginary reasons are not what make the art post flood. Claiming art must be dated strictly by your imaginary worlds is just not a go.

Gong. Jesus even went to visit some folks from the flood when He was here, remember? He didn't go in a spaceship to other worlds or dreamed up universes.
Theory? About what?

Shortened for brevity sake.....

I'm sure that someone as opinionated as yourself could support just a little of what you twist together with actual chapter and verse. I'm sorry that you have been exposed as a follower of men's words instead of God's. I didn't mean to, it just sort of happened, in your own words. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 28, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Dad, Picture a giant clear fishbowl, which allows you to see inside. Now add windows on the top so that you can seal it from the outside world. Add water plus ground with air above and you will have a completely enclosed Biosphere in which to put living creatures.

Doesn't ring true.

Be nice. I always support my view with Scripture while you take the words of men who don't know what Day it is. Read Genesis 1:9-10 and study them and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand, and you should be able to understand IF you have been born again Spiritually.

Whatever scripture you thought supported brainless human look alikes leaving skull fossils, and Noah's ark slipping through some window when the water got high enough-- to another universe, and planet earth having no rivers save the ones in a garden, and a flat earth, and all the rest of your foolish tales--the truth is that the scriptures never remotely supported any such thing.

Sorry, but you have confused those verses for Isaiah's words in Isaiah 24:19 which tell of the first world being "clean dissolved" in the Flood....BUT...since we are here, notice that Peter is speaking of the world that THEN WAS being destroyed totally in the Flood.

Utterly false.

If you were familiar with prophesy, and the usual terms such as day of the Lord...etc, you would not try to insert the flood in that chapter.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish [SIZE=-1][/SIZE]the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Rather than what WAS it talks of what shall be. Gong.

What is interesting is to read the entire message which is contained in ll Peter 3:3-7 so you can identify the people who are willingly ignorant that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days, and those who mock God by saying:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I wouldn't think that you would want to be connected with the Scoffers of the last Days who don't believe in Jesus. Right?

I, like Jesus and Peter believe in the flood. Relax. I do scoff at insane theories, pretending to be associated with the bible though.

Big Snip of other men's religion>>>>>

Overruled. I unsnip your snip. Scholars of a sound mind are very welcome here. If they have anything wrong, it usually is marginal. Your whoppers are colossal.

I'm sure that someone as opinionated as yourself could support just a little of what you twist together with actual chapter and verse. I'm sorry that you have been exposed as a follower of men's words instead of God's. I didn't mean to, it just sort of happened, in your own words. God Bless you.

Say it like you mean it, Aman. We best agree to disagree. There is onlly one option here, and that is for you to renounce foolishness and admit being far from the bible and reason itself. After that, you can make progress. Not before.

Aman777 · Nov 28, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, Picture a giant clear fishbowl, which allows you to see inside. Now add windows on the top so that you can seal it from the outside world. Add water plus ground with air above and you will have a completely enclosed Biosphere in which to put living creatures.

Doesn't ring true.

Dear Dad, You mean it doesn't ring true with your ideas...BUT...it does agree with God's Holy Word, and that is what matters to me.

Be nice. I always support my view with Scripture while you take the words of men who don't know what Day it is. Read Genesis 1:9-10 and study them and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand, and you should be able to understand IF you have been born again Spiritually.

Whatever scripture you thought supported brainless human look alikes leaving skull fossils, and Noah's ark slipping through some window when the water got high enough-- to another universe, and planet earth having no rivers save the ones in a garden, and a flat earth, and all the rest of your foolish tales--the truth is that the scriptures never remotely supported any such thing.

Go back and read my post again and actually read the verses I bolded for you, then refute me Scripturally.

Sorry, but you have confused those verses for Isaiah's words in Isaiah 24:19 which tell of the first world being "clean dissolved" in the Flood....BUT...since we are here, notice that Peter is speaking of the world that THEN WAS being destroyed totally in the Flood.

Utterly false.

If you were familiar with prophesy, and the usual terms such as day of the Lord...etc, you would not try to insert the flood in that chapter.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Rather than what WAS it talks of what shall be. Gong.

You rang the Gong too quick, since you didn't notice the SNARE or the TRAP which God set with the Flood, for the Godless Evols who think they are correct. God shows with the Flood that Humans did NOT come from the present Earth, but from the first Heaven which was clean dissolved in the Flood. Godless Evols have Falsely taught our children that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but God's Trap catches them in the middle of their Lies. Here is the verse which you did not notice. It shows that this event is PAST since it has already happened

18And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

The people who come up out of the midst of the pit shall be trapped by the Snare which God set with the Flood. God then describes what the SNARE is:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

This event could NOT be future since our Planet is a ROCK and water does NOT clean ve ROCK. Remember that Adam's world was water with land on top, and Scripture says NOTHING about it being on a Rocky planet.

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Conclusion: The event is Past because our Earth is a Rock. Also, God would have lied to Noah, IF the Flood is future at the end of time, since God promised Noah that this would never destroy the earth again:

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Sorry, but the traditional religious view does NOT agree with Genesis.

What is interesting is to read the entire message which is contained in ll Peter 3:3-7 so you can identify the people who are willingly ignorant that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood. God calls them the Scoffers of the last days, and those who mock God by saying:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I wouldn't think that you would want to be connected with the Scoffers of the last Days who don't believe in Jesus. Right?

I, like Jesus and Peter believe in the flood. Relax. I do scoff at insane theories, pretending to be associated with the bible though.

Big Snip of other men's religion>>>>>

Overruled. I unsnip your snip. Scholars of a sound mind are very welcome here. If they have anything wrong, it usually is marginal. Your whoppers are colossal.

I'm sure that someone as opinionated as yourself could support just a little of what you twist together with actual chapter and verse. I'm sorry that you have been exposed as a follower of men's words instead of God's. I didn't mean to, it just sort of happened, in your own words. God Bless you.

Say it like you mean it, Aman. We best agree to disagree. There is onlly one option here, and that is for you to renounce foolishness and admit being far from the bible and reason itself. After that, you can make progress. Not before.

Thanks for your concern. I said it like I mean it. It is clear that you know exactly what the traditional religious account of the Creation is and that you try your best to uphold this obviously flawed view of men who lived thousands of years before Science. I commend you for your Faith.

The problem is NOT with you, but with the mistaken views of ancient men. IF God is God and He is, then He is the MOST advanced and knowledgeable Being in Creation, and He is. This is clear when you read Genesis with this knowledge and look for the things which ONLY God could have known thousands of years ago. God's writings from long ago reveal a much more complicated God than ancient men's superstituous views.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to post with me, and I look forward to many more posts. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 29, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Dad, You mean it doesn't ring true with your ideas...BUT...it does agree with God's Holy Word, and that is what matters to me.

So if the flood was not on this planet how did Jesus go and visit the folks who were here at the flood in prison?

Go back and read my post again and actually read the verses I bolded for you, then refute me Scripturally.

Bolding something doesn't help when it is kooky ideas inside your own head that you somehow think are supported.

You rang the Gong too quick, since you didn't notice the SNARE or the TRAP which God set with the Flood, for the Godless Evols who think they are correct. God shows with the Flood that Humans did NOT come from the present Earth, but from the first Heaven which was clean dissolved in the Flood.

That trap is in your bean.

Godless Evols have Falsely taught our children that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but God's Trap catches them in the middle of their Lies. Here is the verse which you did not notice. It shows that this event is PAST since it has already happened

18And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

Making snare big doesn't remove the tense, which is future tense. Obviously.

The people who come up out of the midst of the pit shall be trapped by the Snare which God set with the Flood. God then describes what the SNARE is:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

The dissolved refers to the previous verse..

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Those who are familiar with the bible know that fire will destroy the world next time, not water. Gong.

Conclusion: The event is Past because our Earth is a Rock.

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I can't believe you are serious. Either you are a troll, or you ought to get out of the debating game.

Also, God would have lied to Noah, IF the Flood is future at the end of time, since God promised Noah that this would never destroy the earth again:

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

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It is fire not a flood next time. Lots of verse about that.

Thanks for your concern. I said it like I mean it. It is clear that you know exactly what the traditional religious account of the Creation is and that you try your best to uphold this obviously flawed view of men who lived thousands of years before Science. I commend you for your Faith.

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Science is defeated on the creation issues and sidelined. It has nothing to say against the wise men who spoke God's word about creation.

The problem is NOT with you, but with the mistaken views of ancient men. IF God is God and He is, then He is the MOST advanced and knowledgeable Being in Creation, and He is. This is clear when you read Genesis with this knowledge and look for the things which ONLY God could have known thousands of years ago. God's writings from long ago reveal a much more complicated God than ancient men's superstituous views.

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Not outside your head though. No need to complicate the simple truth of God and creation. Invoking magic windows for the ark to transport through into some other planet is not science or bible.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to post with me, and I look forward to many more posts. God Bless you.

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Lord have mercy.

biggles53 · Nov 29, 2013

Duelling fantasies....!

stevevw · Nov 29, 2013

biggles53 said:
Duelling fantasies....!

I prefer dueling banjos.

Aman777 · Nov 29, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, You mean it doesn't ring true with your ideas...BUT...it does agree with God's Holy Word, and that is what matters to me.

So if the flood was not on this planet how did Jesus go and visit the folks who were here at the flood in prison?

Dear Dad, There are 3 worlds and each has it's own soil or ground, which in Hebrew means earth. God tells us He created earth BEFORE the first Day. Gen. 1:1-2 Jesus took part of that unformed earth and made the 3 Universes, BUT it doesn't say that that is He used ALL of the earth which was created Before the first Day.

Ephesians 4:9(Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Did Jesus descend into the soil or ground of the first, second, or third heaven or into the lower parts of the earth which was made BEFORE the first Day? Once you answer that Scripturally, please tell us HOW Jesus could have ascended far above ALL Heavens? Could it be that Jesus ascended into the Multiverse?

Go back and read my post again and actually read the verses I bolded for you, then refute me Scripturally.

Bolding something doesn't help when it is kooky ideas inside your own head that you somehow think are supported.

I try to bold the Scripture that I post so that you can see my Scriptural support for my views. IF you have problems with my interpretation of those verses, zero in on those and I will allay your concerns.

You rang the Gong too quick, since you didn't notice the SNARE or the TRAP which God set with the Flood, for the Godless Evols who think they are correct. God shows with the Flood that Humans did NOT come from the present Earth, but from the first Heaven which was clean dissolved in the Flood.

That trap is in your bean.

It's also in the Bible and I can identify when God set the Trap with the Flood, Scripturally. Can you? I doubt it since it appears that God has also caught you in His trap.

Godless Evols have Falsely taught our children that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but God's Trap catches them in the middle of their Lies. Here is the verse which you did not notice. It shows that this event is PAST since it has already happened

18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

Making snare big doesn't remove the tense, which is future tense. Obviously.

Patience for your ideas will soon be refuted beyond any doubt.

The people who come up out of the midst of the pit shall be trapped by the Snare which God set with the Flood. God then describes what the SNARE is:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

The dissolved refers to the previous verse..

The clean dissolved is speaking of the total destruction of the world of Adam. This agrees with ll Peter 3:5 in the NT, which says the Same, and refers to the first world (Kosmos) as the world that THEN WAS.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Those who are familiar with the bible know that fire will destroy the world next time, not water. Gong.

Then you must not be familiar with Scripture since the Fire is speaking of the total destruction of the CURRENT Universe. This is clear when you go back 3 verses and read this:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Peter is speaking of the heavens and earth of today, since Peter lived on the same Earth as we do. Adam did NOT. Your ideas are refuted Scripturally, again.

Conclusion: The event is Past because our Earth is a Rock.

I can't believe you are serious. Either you are a troll, or you ought to get out of the debating game.

Our Planet is covered with water, more than 70%, but we don't dissolve. That's because we are the THIRD Rock from the Sun, and our Earth will never be dissolved in water.

Also, God would have lied to Noah, IF the Flood is future at the end of time, since God promised Noah that this would never destroy the earth again:

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

It is fire not a flood next time. Lots of verse about that.

Of course, but you are claiming that the description of the SNARE shows that we will be "clean dissolved" in water and destroyed, sometime in the Future. Your view is refuted by YOUR own words in previous posts.

Thanks for your concern. I said it like I mean it. It is clear that you know exactly what the traditional religious account of the Creation is and that you try your best to uphold this obviously flawed view of men who lived thousands of years before Science. I commend you for your Faith.

Science is defeated on the creation issues and sidelined. It has nothing to say against the wise men who spoke God's word about creation.

I suppose you also approve of teaching Evol Lies to our children in the Public Schools, such as that Humans evolved from the common ancestor as Apes? IF we believed your views, we would also have to believe that ALL Science is a Lie, which is UnTrue. ONLY the False ToE is teaching Evol Lies to our children.

The problem is NOT with you, but with the mistaken views of ancient men. IF God is God and He is, then He is the MOST advanced and knowledgeable Being in Creation, and He is. This is clear when you read Genesis with this knowledge and look for the things which ONLY God could have known thousands of years ago. God's writings from long ago reveal a much more complicated God than ancient men's superstituous views.

Not outside your head though. No need to complicate the simple truth of God and creation. Invoking magic windows for the ark to transport through into some other planet is not science or bible.

Do you mean these windows?

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

God called the FIRST earth "heaven" in Genesis 1:8 As I have posted BEFORE, the first firmament or heaven had windows in the top. This allowed rain in, but the Ark was covered. This also left a way out of the firmament for the Ark when the firmament sank. Your ideas are refuted again.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to post with me, and I look forward to many more posts. God Bless you.

Lord have mercy.

I agree and would like to take this opportunity to stop beating a dead horse. I tire of correcting your views because it's too easy, since they are the thoughts of men, instead of God's Holy Word. Perhaps a time out for you would be helpful? Also, some people will think I'm being mean to another Christian. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Aman777 · Nov 29, 2013

biggles53 said:
Duelling fantasies....!

Dear biggles, Not so. Dad is trying to defend the traditional religious view and I am showing him that the traditional religious view of the Creation is WRONG, and NOT what is actually written. Neither of us is correct or incorrect since both of us are saved by the SAME Faith, that God's Holy Word is the Truth. You, on the other hand, wouldn't know God's Truth if it bit you. Would you?

In Love,
Aman

dad · Nov 29, 2013

Aman777 said:
Dear Dad, There are 3 worlds and each has it's own soil or ground,

Why stop there? Invent more. Be brave.

which in Hebrew means earth. God tells us He created earth BEFORE the first Day. Gen. 1:1-2 Jesus took part of that unformed earth and made the 3 Universes, BUT it doesn't say that that is He used ALL of the earth which was created Before the first Day.

Parts of the heavens are not really universes. You are abusing English, as well as reason.

Did Jesus descend into the soil or ground of the first, second, or third heaven or into the lower parts of the earth which was made BEFORE the first Day?

Well, maybe we can start by asking where He was when killed. The answer is here. No mystery or multiverses required.

Once you answer that Scripturally, please tell us HOW Jesus could have ascended far above ALL Heavens? Could it be that Jesus ascended into the Multiverse?

Well, after He left this world, He went to be with His Father. Naturally that is higher than the Seattle needle even.

It's also in the Bible and I can identify when God set the Trap with the Flood, Scripturally. Can you?

That depends on where the big mouse and the cheese were?

I doubt it since it appears that God has also caught you in His trap.

Get out of your own head, man. Life is good out here.

Patience for your ideas will soon be refuted beyond any doubt.

I do not doubt patience is taxed heavily in this thread.

The people who come up out of the midst of the pit shall be trapped by the Snare which God set with the Flood. God then describes what the SNARE is:

Insane drivel.

The clean dissolved is speaking of the total destruction of the world of Adam.

Adam? If the heavens will be changed and the ones we know destroyed in the end, where does Adam come in? You seem to be flogging a dead horse.

Then you must not be familiar with Scripture since the Fire is speaking of the total destruction of the CURRENT Universe. This is clear when you go back 3 verses and read this:

Right, yet I have not had tea with Adam lately...you??

Conclusion: The event is Past because our Earth is a Rock.

Your head is more of a rock than earth. The earth is rocks and water, and sand, and all sorts of stuff.

Our Planet is covered with water, more than 70%, but we don't dissolve. That's because we are the THIRD Rock from the Sun, and our Earth will never be dissolved in water.

Guess we can all relax now. Wait...who said the world was supposed to 'dissolve' like jello in water anyhow? Oh, that was sure not me.

Of course, but you are claiming that the description of the SNARE shows that we will be "clean dissolved" in water and destroyed, sometime in the Future. Your view is refuted by YOUR own words in previous posts.

Snare smare.

Thanks for your concern. I said it like I mean it. It is clear that you know exactly what the traditional religious account of the Creation is and that you try your best to uphold this obviously flawed view of men who lived thousands of years before Science. I commend you for your Faith.

A lot of things are clear to you apparently. None of which have any small semblance of reality.

I suppose you also approve of teaching Evol Lies to our children in the Public Schools, such as that Humans evolved from the common ancestor as Apes?

No.

IF we believed your views, we would also have to believe that ALL Science is a Lie, which is UnTrue.

Science is fine. Relax. The thing is that science does not include your fantasies, or the fables of altrernate creation that are spit out in the name of science.

Do you mean these windows?

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

No. Those windows are where the water came from. I missed the part about arks sneaking through them to other planets.

Aman777 · Nov 29, 2013

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Dad, There are 3 worlds and each has it's own soil or ground,

Why stop there? Invent more. Be brave.

Dear Dad, That is possible since Genesis 2:4 just says other HeavenS (Plural) were made the 3rd Day. Since other Scripture shows the 3rd Heaven (ll Corinthians 12:2) I limit my view to 3 Heavens or Universes. There could be many more.

which in Hebrew means earth. God tells us He created earth BEFORE the first Day. Gen. 1:1-2 Jesus took part of that unformed earth and made the 3 Universes, BUT it doesn't say that that is He used ALL of the earth which was created Before the first Day.

Parts of the heavens are not really universes. You are abusing English, as well as reason.

God defines the first boundary or firmament of the world of Adam as "heaven". Now, it's your time to show us a better definition than God's. I don't think you can. Please support your views with actual Scripture.

Did Jesus descend into the soil or ground of the first, second, or third heaven or into the lower parts of the earth which was made BEFORE the first Day?

Well, maybe we can start by asking where He was when killed. The answer is here. No mystery or multiverses required.

Jesus wasn't dead when He descended, except to this world. Since He also ascended above ALL heavens, does it matter which Earth He started from?

Once you answer that Scripturally, please tell us HOW Jesus could have ascended far above ALL Heavens? Could it be that Jesus ascended into the Multiverse?

Well, after He left this world, He went to be with His Father. Naturally that is higher than the Seattle needle even.

Then tell us what is ABOVE the 3rd Heaven? Scripturally?

It's also in the Bible and I can identify when God set the Trap with the Flood, Scripturally. Can you?

That depends on where the big mouse and the cheese were?

He set the trap on the 150th Day AFTER the Flood began. On that Day, the Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world (Gen. 7:24) AND resting on the mountains of Ararat (Gen. 8:4) on the SAME 150th Day After the Flood began.

Can you explain this in any other fashion than I have? Come on and try.

I doubt it since it appears that God has also caught you in His trap.

Get out of your own head, man. Life is good out here.

I support my views with Scripture which means I can't make it up, like those who tell interesting stories which CANNOT be supported by actual Scripture. Such are the False interpretations of ancient men, which you try so hard to defend. The only person who sees things just like you do, is only in your mirror.

Patience for your ideas will soon be refuted beyond any doubt.

I do not doubt patience is taxed heavily in this thread.

The people who come up out of the midst of the pit shall be trapped by the Snare which God set with the Flood. God then describes what the SNARE is:

Insane drivel.

NO. It's God's Truth which you cannot refute, as we all can see.

The clean dissolved is speaking of the total destruction of the world of Adam.

Adam? If the heavens will be changed and the ones we know destroyed in the end, where does Adam come in? You seem to be flogging a dead horse.

Adam was on the world that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the Flood some 10k years ago. That is when Noah came to the heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW as ll Peter 3:3-7 tells us. God calls the people who mock His Truth the "Scoffers of the last days". They will NOT believe that the first heaven was destroyed in the Flood and that our heaven will be BURNED. Are YOU a Scoffer?

Then you must not be familiar with Scripture since the Fire is speaking of the total destruction of the CURRENT Universe. This is clear when you go back 3 verses and read this:

Right, yet I have not had tea with Adam lately...you??

No, but I look forward to meeting both Adam and Eve in the 3rd Heaven since Scripture documents them being born again Spiritually. Gen. 1:27 and Gen. 5:1-2. How bout you?

Conclusion: The event is Past because our Earth is a Rock.

Your head is more of a rock than earth. The earth is rocks and water, and sand, and all sorts of stuff.

Doesn't matter since it is impossible to "clean dissolve" our Earth like it was Adam's earth. This is Scriptural Proof that the verses are speaking of the PAST and not of the Future as you so falsely try to explain.

Our Planet is covered with water, more than 70%, but we don't dissolve. That's because we are the THIRD Rock from the Sun, and our Earth will never be dissolved in water.

Guess we can all relax now. Wait...who said the world was supposed to 'dissolve' like jello in water anyhow? Oh, that was sure not me.

Of course not. It was from a reliable source, God.

Of course, but you are claiming that the description of the SNARE shows that we will be "clean dissolved" in water and destroyed, sometime in the Future. Your view is refuted by YOUR own words in previous posts.

Snare smare.

Hiding behind your comedy again I see. I am sorry for your willful ignorance of the Snare. It's the FLOOD, which traps the all knowing Evols, and you.

Thanks for your concern. I said it like I mean it. It is clear that you know exactly what the traditional religious account of the Creation is and that you try your best to uphold this obviously flawed view of men who lived thousands of years before Science. I commend you for your Faith.

A lot of things are clear to you apparently. None of which have any small semblance of reality.

It seems your reality is only in what you believe since you can't find support for your Faith in the views of ancient men.

I suppose you also approve of teaching Evol Lies to our children in the Public Schools, such as that Humans evolved from the common ancestor as Apes?

No.

IF we believed your views, we would also have to believe that ALL Science is a Lie, which is UnTrue.

Science is fine. Relax. The thing is that science does not include your fantasies, or the fables of altrernate creation that are spit out in the name of science.

Then refute me. It's easy for me to refute your view since it does not agree with Scripture. IF I am spinning fantasies, it should be easy for you to refute me Scripturally. Right?

Do you mean these windows?

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

No. Those windows are where the water came from. I missed the part about arks sneaking through them to other planets.

Then please explain HOW the Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world AND resting upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th Day (5 months) after the beginning of the Flood. Those who are caught in this SNARE are trapped with their UnTrue views of the Literal Reality of God.

The Bible says for us to try the Spirits to see if they be good or evil.

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Do you put more faith in God's Holy Word or in the theories of men who claim to be educated "scholars?" God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

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