A Christians View of Wicca

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by caley
 

...and i don't care what the law says.

 

Now what would God think of that statement?  Considering that we are supposed to respect the laws of men while doing God's will.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by caley
I do agree with you that you have a right to choose not to associate with the harrasser.  If the harrasser comes to your house, you do have the right to use violence to remove them from your property (trespassing is one of the four true crimes).  However, if you are on someone else's property, you have no "right" to be free from this person, unless the property owner chooses to remove them from his/her property.

You obviously don't know the harassment laws.  Harassment need not be physical.  Continuing to speak to someone when they have made it clear that they do not wish your company, is also considered harassment  even if it is in a public place.

At that point the police may be called and you will be told to leave the person alone, and if you persist a restraining order will be issued.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by caley
All laws are enforced through violence.  

 

??????

There has never been a resolution to anything involving the police, that wasn't violent?  I see more and more flaws in your logic.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by caley
How would the police solve this problem if you contacted them?

Answer: through violence.

Appealing to the law is an act of violence.

So police only enforce the law by beating the **** out of people?  Wow you are dense.  I know that is insulting, and I apologize to any moderator.  But WOW!  It's true.  Is it really an insult when it's true?

Obviously this person has little experience dealing with people or living in the real world with the rest of us.

 

[MyJhongFist]

c-r-a-p is edited? What's up with that?

 

[caley]

Originally posted by Calliope
 

Laws are also enforced through fines as well. There is also and most importantly the responsibilities of being citizens of a country where (hopefully) people understand that they need to work together to some degree and not infringe on the rights of others. Without this repect for other people life would surely be chaotic, don't you think?

But seriously I see nothing wrong with evangalism as long as it doesn't become harrassment, and it is the responsibility of Christians to evangalise.

Laws may be enforced through fines, but the fines are enforced through violence.  If you don't pay the fine, eventually you're going to be looking down the barrel of a gun.

I agree that it is important to respect the boundaries of others, and if someone asks you to stop, it is polite to stop, but I was just trying to argue that people have no "right" to not be talked to about something.

 

[caley]

Police do not exist to give you a good talking-to.  If the police ask you to do something, and you do not do it, violence will occur.  The police would be laughed at and ignored if there were no threat of violence.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Police exist to enforce the law. If the police ask you to do something, and you do not do it, most likely incarceration will occur. Violence would only occur if someone resisted arrest with violence of their own.

Police do not AUTOMATICALLY use violence to enforce the law.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by caley
Laws may be enforced through fines, but the fines are enforced through violence.  If you don't pay the fine, eventually you're going to be looking down the barrel of a gun.

Actually for something as simple as not paying a fine, you are going to be looking out from behind prison bars.  As I said before, violence would only occur if you resisted arrest with violence of your own.

Originally posted by caley
I agree that it is important to respect the boundaries of others, and if someone asks you to stop, it is polite to stop, but I was just trying to argue that people have no "right" to not be talked to about something.

I was making the point that they do.  Under the letter of the law, you can't even come within 100 feet of me if I don't want you to.

 

[caley]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
Police exist to enforce the law. If the police ask you to do something, and you do not do it, most likely incarceration will occur. Violence would only occur if someone resisted arrest with violence of their own.

Police do not AUTOMATICALLY use violence to enforce the law.

I consider the threat of violence to be violence in itself.  And the police will use violence against you if you do not use it first.

Police officer to man on park bench: Get in the squad car, you're under arrest.

Man on park bench:  No. (continues sitting)

Police officer: Get in the squad car, or I will force you into the squad car.

Man: No. (continues sitting)

Police officer: (grabs man by wrist and forces him into handcuffs, then pushes him violently into squad car.)

Who initiated violence in this situation?

 

[FloodWalker2002]

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!  All i asked for was a Christians view of Wicca... not a debate on Police Brutality!  This person thinks that you can be a Wicca and a Christian... all i wanted was wat a Christian thinks of it.

 

[MyJhongFist]

First, you consider being handcuffed and forced into a squad car true violence? Whose 'sheltered world' definition are you going by?

If you can call that violence, then I can call the man's stubborn attitude and rebellion against authority to be a violent act in itself. Therefore by that definition, the man intiated the violence.

Now by a realist's definition of violence, none occurred at all. Since noone was physically harmed. I doubt handcuffing and being shoved into a car caused any real damage.

The definition I was going for as far as violence is knight stick or gun being drawn or actually resorting to fisticuffs. That would only occur if the suspect resorted to violence first.

 

[MyJhongFist]

I know, these things get off track so easily!

Back to the original subject:

Most would say that you cannot be both. However, the person must really want to come out of it and into Christ's family. If that desire is not there, there is no use trying to pull them out.

However, my view is that if this person acknowledges Christ, they are a Christian. From that point, if certain of their Wiccan teachings do not conflict with the word of God, they are harmless. Those teachings that conflict with Christ's message should be thrown out.

So in that case, I guess someone could be called a Christian/Wicca.  But it would be impossible to practice both religions in their entirity, simultaneously.  Just my opinion.

 

[caley]

Originally posted by MyJhongFist
First, you consider being handcuffed and forced into a squad car true violence? Whose 'sheltered world' definition are you going by?

If you can call that violence, then I can call the man's stubborn attitude and rebellion against authority to be a violent act in itself. Therefore by that definition, the man intiated the violence.

Now by a realist's definition of violence, none occurred at all. Since noone was physically harmed. I doubt handcuffing and being shoved into a car caused any real damage.

The definition I was going for as far as violence is knight stick or gun being drawn or actually resorting to fisticuffs. That would only occur if the suspect resorted to violence first.

In what world is being forcibly handcuffed not violent?  The man on the park bench could absolutely not be accused of violence, because there was not even any physical contact.  However, the police officer forced the man into handcuffs against his will and threw him into the police car.  Violence is not a matter of degree.  Any amount of physical force used against another person's will is defined as violence.

 

[MyJhongFist]

If you can call your example violence, then I can call the man's stubborn rebellion against authority violence as well.

According to the law, spitting in someone's face or swearing angrily when you are within a certain proximity are considered violent acts too, even though no physical contact has taken place. 

 I don't consider them so, but for this situation I can use them to my advantage.

 

[MyJhongFist]

"In what world is being forcibly handcuffed not violent? "

In the real world. I have not been sheltered, and know what TRUE violence is. I've lived it and it's extremely ugly. I've seen and experienced things that I wish I hadn't. Let me assure you that REAL violence goes far beyond getting a pair of cuffs slapped on.

 

[MyJhongFist]

I apologize for allowing myself to be drawn off topic. Any further response I make to this thread will be on the topic at hand.

 

[Havoc]

There is a fairly large group of people who call themselves Christo-Wiccan, or Christo-Pagan. I don't particulary agree with their view of the divine but they are entitled to their beliefs.

So it would seem it is possible to be Christian and Wiccan. I'm not sure how well it would work.

 

[caley]

I apologize for threadjacking.  Please feel free to return to the original topic and ignore my posts.

 

[Sarah :)]

Why do Christians always try to change other people?