A Biblical Defense of Bible Alone + The Anointing to Understand It

[ToBeLoved]

Which means then that 2 Thessalonians 2:15 does not support Oral Tradition.

You are comparing the teachings of the apostles with what is said in today’s oral traditions?

That’s a strrrreeetttccchhhh

 

[ToBeLoved]

I am not sure why it would be - passing on teachings orally was a tradition and in some cultures has always been a tradition. In my opinion, arguing semantics like this is a waste of time and energy.

No it’s not.

Because every apostle was a Jewish Hebrew.

And the way the Jewish people handed down God’s Word was it was memorized word for word.

They formerly had the Law.

Did you read the Old Testament and how God punishes them for breaking His Law.

My point is it is NOT semantics at all.

If you believe in the current church type traditions yourself, fine. But don’t ascribe scriptures to having the low standards we have today.

 

[PeaceByJesus]

Like I said before, your reasoning is faulty so your conclusions are wrong.

A bare denial does not make it valid.

 

[PeaceByJesus]

You are comparing the teachings of the apostles with what is said in today’s oral traditions?

That’s a strrrreeetttccchhhh

No, not me. The Catholic (EO an RC) argument is that their church passes on the word of God that the apostles orally preached, even if it is not in Scripture. Of course, the EOs and RCs disagree rather substantially on some aspects of what apostolic teaching teaches.

 

[gordonhooker]

No it’s not.

Because every apostle was a Jewish Hebrew.

And the way the Jewish people handed down God’s Word was it was memorized word for word.

They formerly had the Law.

Did you read the Old Testament and how God punishes them for breaking His Law.

My point is it is NOT semantics at all.

If you believe in the current church type traditions yourself, fine. But don’t ascribe scriptures to having the low standards we have today.

Last time I checked I was allowed an opinion and my opinion is it is all about semantics.

PS you are quite free to have your own opinion as well.

 

[PeaceByJesus]

Since when did God say any sinful human being was Divine?
Me thinks God is pretty clear that ALL mankind is sinful by nature.

Indeed, but while Catholicism does not say it is Divine, she does imagines she preeminently speaks "the Divine voice of the Church at this hour," and thus that history, tradition and Scripture only authoritatively mean what she says, for this judgment rests upon her "own supernatural and perpetual consciousness," by which she declares that she preeminently speaks "the Divine voice of the Church at this hour," and that her judgment rests upon her "own supernatural and perpetual consciousness" - if she does say so herself.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Last time I checked I was allowed an opinion and my opinion is it is all about semantics.

PS you are quite free to have your own opinion as well.

Not every opinion is based on anything of substance.

Someone can say the grass is blue.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Indeed, but while Catholicism does not say it is Divine, she does imagines she preeminently speaks "the Divine voice of the Church at this hour," and thus that history, tradition and Scripture only authoritatively mean what she says, for this judgment rests upon her "own supernatural and perpetual consciousness," by which she declares that she preeminently speaks "the Divine voice of the Church at this hour," and that her judgment rests upon her "own supernatural and perpetual consciousness" - if she does say so herself.

So I’m confused.

Are you stating your beliefs or someone else’s beliefs

 

[redleghunter]

Begs the question. You don't really think that that proves it, do you?

Begs the question? You asked for evidence from Scriptures.

The only rebuttal I see is if you can find evidence James did not pen the epistle.

Unless of course you follow Luther on this matter.

 

[redleghunter]

Not "all" of them. Besides Lutherans are not Reformed, nor are Anglicans, Baptists - a lot of them aren't but some say that they are - Methodists, Quakers, Church of Christ, Pentecostal ....

So you just refuted your own point.

 

[redleghunter]

You could try to drag "sola scriptura" out of the Vulgate I guess, it being a Latin expression and all

You could try to consider theological terms explain what is demonstrated in Scriptures.

 

[redleghunter]

Paul does endorse the traditions that he passed on to the Thessalonians.

Again what were these traditions?

 

[GingerBeer]

Again what were these traditions?

Not in writing, unless somebody - conveniently - wrote some of them down later.

 

[redleghunter]

You could read the two letters to the Thessalonians if you want to know what Paul says. It is a good work to read the scriptures and believe them.

Thank you brother but what does that have to do with your claim of traditions being something separate from what was written?

That was my point really. You don’t know nor I.

 

[ripple the car]

To be really, really honest here.... if you put enough Scripture passages next to each other, you can argue almost anything out of the Bible.

 

[GingerBeer]

You could try to consider theological terms explain what is demonstrated in Scriptures.

Oh, why would that be my duty when you're the one insisting on "sola scriptura"?

 

[redleghunter]

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But how can this be? Surely SS must mean what modern Catholics tell us it does!

Can’t really blame the laity for the recycled strawmen of apologists.

 

[GingerBeer]

So you just refuted your own point.

My point, it wasn't so much a point as an observation, is that there's simply isn't a single universally accepted definition of "sola scriptura". But if you have one then put it up and see how it stands.

 

[GingerBeer]

Thank you brother but what does that have to do with your claim of traditions being something separate from what was written?

That was my point really. You don’t know nor I.

I didn't make any such claim, what I said is that Paul approves of the traditions that he gave to the Thessalonians. Paul might have approved of a whole lot more than those traditions but I mentioned only the words of approval that Paul wrote to the Thessalonians.

 

[redleghunter]

Oh, why would that be my duty when you're the one insisting on "sola scriptura"?

I’ll give an example. When we speak of the doctrines of salvation we speak of different categories. For example the doctrines of Grace speak of God’s unmerited favor to mankind in salvation. These terms are derived from teachings demonstrated in Holy Scriptures.