8 ways life would get weird on a flat Earth

prodromos said:

The globe model predicted atmospheric refraction consistent with the conditions at the time.

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So in other words your saying it was a mirage that people saw .

Apple Sky said:

So in other words your saying it was a mirage that people saw .

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Nope, just normal, plain vanilla refraction.

prodromos said:

Nope, just normal, plain vanilla refraction.

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Apple Sky said:

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The earth's atmosphere has a pressure gradient. it is densest at sea level and gets less dense as you increase in altitude and the pressure gradient causes it to bend light downward. There is nothing unusual about it.

prodromos said:

The earth's atmosphere has a pressure gradient. it is densest at sea level and gets less dense as you increase in altitude and the pressure gradient causes it to bend light downward. There is nothing unusual about it.

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So is this what causes mirages ?

This is how atmospheric refraction works, simulated with sugar dissolved in water. The water becomes more dense as the sugar concentration increases towards the bottom, causing the laser beam to bend.

Apple Sky said:

So is this what causes mirages ?

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Mirages are caused by more extreme changes in air density, such as temperature inversions where warm, less dense air is trapped under a layer of cooler more dense air, or when the air is very cool near the surface causing it to be more dense than usual.

prodromos said:

Mirages are caused by more extreme changes in air density, such as temperature inversions where warm, less dense air is trapped under a layer of cooler more dense air, or when the air is very cool near the surface causing it to be more dense than usual.

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Thanks .......

Apple Sky said:

Thanks .......

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You're welcome.

prodromos said:

This is how atmospheric refraction works, simulated with sugar dissolved in water. The water becomes more dense as the sugar concentration increases towards the bottom, causing the laser beam to bend.

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This is also why those laser experiments done by flat earthers are not conclusive. They assume that the laser beam will remain straight, when in actual fact it will curve downwards due to atmospheric refraction just like it does in the sugar water. The curve will only be slight, but it will be enough to follow the curvature of the earth for quite some distance, allowing it to be seen over the horizon. If the earth were flat, then atmospheric refraction would actually cause the beam to curve down and hit the ground, so it would not still be visible from far away.

Apple Sky said:

Most of Wales is mountainous. Snowdonia (Welsh: Eryri) in the northwest has the highest mountains, with Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa) at 1,085 m (3,560 ft) being the highest peak.

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That’s not especially high compared to the Alps or the Sierra Nevada mountains where in my youth, we would stay in cabins or camp, usually at the Giant Grove cabins at Sequoia, which sadly were closed in 1999, but there are cabins in King’s Canyon (which alas, is less scenic). Also Yosemite was nice to visit, with an affordable hotel in addition to the Iwanee where I had a delicious breakfast when I was 12 (berry-stuffed crepes).

We are talking about elevations of 8,000 feet or so.

Likewise, consider Aspen, which is a nice place to visit, at 7,891 ft, and the nearest large city, Denver being famously known for its mile-high elevation above sea level. Nearby is Pike’s Peak, which is 14,115 ft above sea level, or nearly five times taller than the tallest mountain in Wales.

In Innsbruck, Austria, the funicular that crosses the River Inn (it didn’t when I last travelled it, but was rather a tram ride from the city center, but it had in the distant past, and it does once more) after a stop at the Alpenzoo connects to the Nordkette aerial tramway system, which consists of two cable car lines, and if you travel both of them all the way to the summit station, you will find yourself at a pleasant 7,444.26 ft above sea level.

I do love Wales and regard it as a beautiful country, and it is mountainous, but the mountains of Wales are relatively short, like many of those in the Redwood Forests along the California and Oregon coast.

Apple Sky said:

Well God must sit above a ball as apparently according to you guys he doesn't sit above the circle of the earth.
And another thing you guys like to say is that God never stopped the sun & that there is no firmament & the sun doesn't move across the sky & doesn't set.
I could go on and on but I wont.

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God created the universe and in the person of God the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, but otherwise we can regard God the Father as existing apart from His creation except when He became incarnate in the person of the Only Begotten Son and Word, Jesus Christ, but Christ is ascended and with the Father, and also with certain saints taken up bodily such as St. Elias, St. Enoch, St. Moses and especially our most glorious lady Theotokos and ever virgin Mary.

The Liturgist said:

That’s not especially high compared to the Alps or the Sierra Nevada mountains where in my youth, we would stay in cabins or camp, usually at the Giant Grove cabins at Sequoia, which sadly were closed in 1999, but there are cabins in King’s Canyon (which alas, is less scenic). Also Yosemite was nice to visit, with an affordable hotel in addition to the Iwanee where I had a delicious breakfast when I was 12 (berry-stuffed crepes).

We are talking about elevations of 8,000 feet or so.

Likewise, consider Aspen, which is a nice place to visit, at 7,891 ft, and the nearest large city, Denver being famously known for its mile-high elevation above sea level. Nearby is Pike’s Peak, which is 14,115 ft above sea level, or nearly five times taller than the tallest mountain in Wales.

In Innsbruck, Austria, the funicular that crosses the River Inn (it didn’t when I last travelled it, but was rather a tram ride from the city center, but it had in the distant past, and it does once more) after a stop at the Alpenzoo connects to the Nordkette aerial tramway system, which consists of two cable car lines, and if you travel both of them all the way to the summit station, you will find yourself at a pleasant 7,444.26 ft above sea level.

I do love Wales and regard it as a beautiful country, and it is mountainous, but the mountains of Wales are relatively short, like many of those in the Redwood Forests along the California and Oregon coast.

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Hi Liturgist.

Thank you for your post, it seems as though your very well travelled & it's was nice to hear about such places, I have visited most of the UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland, Spain & Jamaica being one of my favorite places so much so I wrote a poem about it,

Jamaica
I gazed in wonder the first time I saw
your emerald waves caress the Shaw
Silky soft, pure white sands
gently flowed on through my hands

Easy, relaxed was Jamaican life
smoking dreams through a seashell pipe
Colours shifted, moved on slow
viewing natures very own show

Dusk swept on a sunset blaze
night coloured skies with a rosy haze
Sitting on rocks a barbecue share
as laughter and music filled the air

Crashing waves, bellowed on down
drowning the beat of a reggae sound
Dreams we did, midnight came
bye Jamaica, memories to frame

I would love to visit Jamaica again but alas my health wont allow it.

As for the highest mountains I understand where your coming from, Wales having low mountains compared to the Alps.

Apple Sky said:

Hi Liturgist.

Thank you for your post, it seems as though your very well travelled & it's was nice to hear about such places, I have visited most of the UK, Switzerland, Belgium, Holland, Spain & Jamaica being one of my favorite places so much so I wrote a poem about it,

Jamaica
I gazed in wonder the first time I saw
your emerald waves caress the Shaw
Silky soft, pure white sands
gently flowed on through my hands

Easy, relaxed was Jamaican life
smoking dreams through a seashell pipe
Colours shifted, moved on slow
viewing natures very own show

Dusk swept on a sunset blaze
night coloured skies with a rosy haze
Sitting on rocks a barbecue share
as laughter and music filled the air

Crashing waves, bellowed on down
drowning the beat of a reggae sound
Dreams we did, midnight came
bye Jamaica, memories to frame

I would love to visit Jamaica again but alas my health wont allow it.

As for the highest mountains I understand where your coming from, Wales having low mountains compared to the Alps.

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This may sound like an odd question, but do you recall which airline you flew when you traveled to Jamaica?

The Liturgist said:

This may sound like an odd question, but do you recall which airline you flew when you traveled to Jamaica?

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Yes, it was Monarch.

Apple Sky said:

Yes, it was Monarch.

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Ah yes, one of those UK leisure airlines most of which have sadly folded. The one I liked the most, due to their interesting fleet, was Dan-Air London. I wouldn’t want to fly them (five abreast seating in a Comet 4 would be … constricting) but I can’t think of any airline that flew so many diverse aircraft types.

British Airways bought them, and their engineering department then served BA’s ill-fated Gatwick hub before being sold to EasyJet along with BA’s equally ill-fared low cost carrier Go, so part of Dan-Air still exists in a sense.

As a sidenote, I’ve never flown Ryanair or easyJet; the only European ultra low cost carrier I’ve flown, before the model spread to the US in the form of Spirit and Frontier (which used to be known for good service in the early 2000s and was considered as a merger partner for the premium jetBlue brand) was bmiBaby, which was a subsidiary of British Midland International which is of course sadly out of business, although not as sadly out of business or otherwise disappeared as some of the great US legacy airlines such as Pan Am, TWA, Braniff, Eastern, National, and also those that disappeared in mergers such as Western, Piedmont, Republoc, Midwest Express, AirTran and Virgin America.*

Or for that matter, Delta and Northwest, which amatlamated to escape bankruptcy keeping the Delta name but closing one hub of each airline (Delta’s Cincinatti and Northwest’s Memphis hub) and pre-merger United and Continental and American and US Airways (what happened there was Continental and US Airways were in better health than United and American, which were on the verge of bankruptcy and bankrupt respectively). The resulting amalgamated airlines are less than the sum of their parts.

*which had incredibly good service; Alaska, which purchased them, is alright, but Virgin America was luxurious, and much nicer than Virgin Atlantic frankly, so I understand why Branson was disappointed, since Virgin America, while not the first airline he was involved in, was absolutely the best when it came to a blend of low fares, elegant style and passenger comfort - it was the most stylish US airline since Braniff and Continental competed to outclass each other in the 1970s, with Braniff probably winning. No airline had better-dressed flight attendants or more stylish interiors, with the flight attendants wearing uniforms by acclaimed designers like Pucci and Halston. Virgin America was not that good, but it was still very elegant and comfortable, even in economy class.



Braniff stewardess uniforms in the 1960s, above, and below, Braniff DC-8 with flight attendants in 1977:



Note the massive windows which the DC-8 afforded every passenger, provided all seats were 38” apart, which would prove to be too much for coach in the late 80s where 31” is standard, and too little for business and first class, where at least 45” is now expected. The 787 and A350 have windows almost as large, and closer together, thanks to their carbon fibre fuselages, but lack the glamor of the 707, DC-8 and the British Vickers VC-10, which after upgrades in the second year of service (around 1960) were the first jetliners which could cross the Atlantic non-stop in both directions from all four major European trans-Atlantic destinations (Heathrow, Amsterdam, Paris CDG and Frankfurt), to the detriment of the Irish tourist industry, which benefitted from refueling stops at Shannon.

Last plane i flew in had an outside toilet!

The Liturgist said:

Ah yes, one of those UK leisure airlines most of which have sadly folded.

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Yes it was a terrific airline to fly with, we flew from Gatwick in London but is was a long flight nearly 10 hours if I remember right, outstanding air hostesses but sadley as you said they have folded now. Oh & I forgot to mention Cypress which we have been to, what a beautiful place that was full of very hospitable & wonderful people.

Lost4words said:

Last plane i flew in had an outside toilet!

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I bet that was a bit drafty

Lost4words said:

Last plane i flew in had an outside toilet!

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I'm in hysterics here