"jerry kelso, post: 72328201, member: 326861"]vinsight4u,
1. What scripture do you have to prove the prophets foretold the tribulation being cut short?
Matthe 24:22 talks about being shortened for the elects sake but nothing about being prophesied by the prophets.
it is not in the context of Revelation 10 at all.
Deuteronomy 32:20
“And he said, I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.”
Deuteronomy 32:36
“For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.”
Daniel 12:7
“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”
past
2 Samuel 24:16
“And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.”
1 Chronicles 21:15
“And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.”
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Psalms 90:13
“Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.”
Psalms 106:45
“And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.”
Psalms 135:14
“For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.”
Jeremiah 18:8
“If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.”
The trumpets come in thirds and such, because Israel will be only corrected by measure. God will call back some of the punishment time that was to come. He will have mercy. This is partially why the seven thunders utterings were sealed. After the 7th trumpet sounds, John sees the ark. The ark would have the mercy seat on it.
God will show His face again. That is what takes place in the 6th seal. In it are found the events that come after the tribulation. Rev. 7 is a new vision and this chapter also contains the tribulation.
The vials are done differently. There will not be any mercy. They will end as, It is done.
God will not call any of the parts back. He will not repent of the punishments upon the beast followers.
seven trumpets and we also find Rev. 15:1 referring to -the seven last plagues
This means that none of those seven can be a first plague.
If you were among the seven last people in line at the end, then you are not among those first 7 at the front.
Revelation 11:18 is when time for reward gets announced in heaven. The Lord is soon to return for His saints, bringing the sleeping ones with Him.
Luke 14:14 shows reward time is resurrection of the just time.
Paul told how a crown is laid up for him to be given to him on that day. The day when Jesus Christ will judge the quick and the dead.
Revelation 11:18 has time to judge the dead.
The saints will be rewarded, but the wicked will be harmed.
Those still alive of the wicked will soon get God's full wrath vials coming down on them. This will lead to Armageddon and the return of the already changed back at the time of the 7th trumpet saints as His armies.
Vinsight4u,
1. None of those scriptures have no connection to the time of Jacob’s trouble ending early such as Matthew 24:22.
2. The trumpet judgements are not in thirds. The 1st 4 are In succession and then the 5th and 6th are next.
Revelation 10 happens next which is a parenthetical.
Revelation 11 is a parenthetical in which the Abomination Of Desolation happens in the middle of the tribulation.
The Two Witnesses ministry is believed to be in the first part of the tribulation to the middle of the tribulation to protect the building of the temple the first 1260 days.
The second woe being past in the middle of the tribulation would show that the 7th Trumpet could not be the second coming being fulfilled at that time.
However, the Two Witnesses ministry seems to be the last 3.5 years.
The first half the Antichrist will have a 7 year treaty and will protect Israel and the building of the temple.
It is not until the AOD happens that the Two Witnesses are needed. This means they are killed and raised at the end of the tribulation.
The second woe is the Sixth trumpet and before the two witnesses come on the scene. Since Revelation 10-11:13 is parenthetical it doesn’t contradict verse 14 because the second woe is the Sixth trumpet which is in the middle of the tribulation.
3. The 7th trumpet angel is the third woe which happens in the middle of the tribulation and ends right before the Antichrist kingdom which is in the middle of the tribulation Revelation 13.
Revelation 11: 15-18 are prophetic to the end of the tribulation. Even the rewards for the saints in Heaven could be as late as the Marriage of the Lamb towards the end of the tribulation.
4. What the 7 thunders uttered was not recorded and is not known so you are just guessing.
5. The seals, trumpets and vials are consecutive and so the things contained in the sixth seal are not after the tribulation.
6. Revelation 7 is not a new vision but a parenthetical which is between the 6th and the 7th seals.
7. There is no mercy for the beast worshippers.
8. Your assessment of 15:1 makes no sense.
9. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is about the rapture not the second coming.
10. Luke 14:14; those who can help the less fortunate will be rewarded at the resurrection of the just between the rapture and the second advent in Heaven. 2 Timothy 4:14; works both good and bad 1 Corinthians 3:11-15; 2 Corinthians 5:10.
11. Revelation 11:15 will be fulfilled at the second advent as far as the kingdom of the world’s becoming Christ.
When the 7th trump sounds in the middle of the tribulation is just the angels and great voices were in Heaven.
There is no trumpet sounding at the Battle of Armageddon in Revelation 16:16-17.
Because of the significance of trumpets with the Jews doesn’t mean there won’t be a trumpet blowing but it will not be fulfilled in the 7th trumpet of 11:15 in the middle of the tribulation. Jerry Kelso