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[OldWiseGuy]

Not really, but I persevere. This isn't about me though, I should have kept that to myself. Lets not derail the subject over me. I'm irrelevant.

Agreed, if you depersonalize your arguments as well.

 

[W2L]

I don't begrudge this as I am in pretty good shape financially and I have great health insurance. I just wish the government would be more responsible with my money (although I can rationalize that as well).

Look, you guys cant boast about building hospitals and then complain because the poor use it. That's the point I was making. If helping the poor is being irresponsible with your money then what good is your money? You cant take it with you when you die, but you can store riches in heaven.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[W2L]

Agreed, if you depersonalize your arguments as well.

I'm arguing content. Its your arguments that I am engaging, not your status.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I knew that was coming. I was waiting for it. You guys are the ones boasting in the Rich being so generous by building hospitals. I just responded to that. You tell me what the answer is. Why do you boast about hospitals but appose HC assistance? If helping the poor is your goal then why stand in the way if the government wants to help?

You do realize that the Affordable Health Care Act is falling apart.

 

[W2L]

One is voluntary. The other is not. One is the giving of one's own money as he wishes, and the other is the government taking, by force, from one party and giving it to another. That is stealing.

The government cannot steal because God gave them authority. The money isn't ours anyway, it all belongs to God. If the government gives it to the poor why are you mad? Do you hate the poor?

 

[joshua 1 9]

If helping the poor is being irresponsible with your money then what good is your money?

We all have limited resources and there is only so much we can do to help others. When someone has a need and they take up a collection and you give what you can and then that is all you can do. Why worry about it?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm arguing content. Its your arguments that I am engaging, not your status.

You are arguing from an attitude that is based on your present financial and/or physical condition, not one based in objective reality.

 

[W2L]

You do realize that the Affordable Health Care Act is falling apart.

I'm not concerned. God is in control. Take no thought for your life. Be anxious for nothing, but in all things pray. That's what we are taught. If we stop railing against our enemies, stop worrying and being anxious, and do good for our enemies, then God will hear our prayers. If however we do not follow that path, God will not hear our prayers. That's my whole point. ITs about walking by faith not sight.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm not concerned. God is in control. Take no thought for your life. Be anxious for nothing, but in all things pray. That's what we are taught. If we stop railing against our enemies, stop worrying and being anxious, and do good for our enemies, then God will hear our prayers. If however we do not follow that path, God will not hear our prayers. That's my whole point. ITs about walking by faith not sight.

I wholeheartedly agree brother.

 

[W2L]

We all have limited resources and there is only so much we can do to help others. When someone has a need and they take up a collection and you give what you can and then that is all you can do. Why worry about it?

Exactly. Why worry about it? God commanded us not to worry.

 

[W2L]

I wholeheartedly agree brother.

Amen.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[OldWiseGuy]

Exactly. Why worry about it? God commanded us not to worry.

I think adjure would be a better term. If he 'commanded' this he would have to punish us for worrying.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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[jimmyjimmy]

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[W2L]

You are arguing from an attitude that is based on your present financial and/or physical condition, not one based in objective reality.

I'm sure it appears that way but I'm not. I'm not asking for anything. What I'm arguing is sound doctrine. It could be said that you guys are arguing subjectively. You are worried about your money and it effects your judgment. If I were worried, wouldn't I be supporting a political agenda? I'm neither for or against any political party. I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the kingdom. I'm saying let the world worry about such things. As Christ said, take no thought for your life, those are things that gentiles worry about. If paul were preaching that message he would say those are things unbelievers worry about. I have no political agenda because my reasoning is objective and based solely on sound doctrine.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The government can't be wrong? Governments are wrong and brutally wrong all of the time.

I voluntarily give of my money to the poor and the cause of the gospel. My problem with the government redistributing my money to other citizens.

My money is mine. God has entrusted it to me. He has allowed me to have it; He has given me the wisdom to both earn it and spend it. It is mine, and my money is not yours to spend.

The nice thing about paying taxes is that the average citizen doesn't have to worry about any of the problems we face as the government now has the resources, and certainly the knowledge, to solve them (is there a tongue-in-cheek Emoji?).

 

[W2L]

The government can't be wrong? Governments are wrong and brutally wrong all of the time.

I voluntarily give of my money to the poor and the cause of the gospel. My problem with the government redistributing my money to other citizens.

My money is mine. God has entrusted it to me. He has allowed me to have it; He has given me the wisdom to both earn it and spend it. It is mine, and my money is not yours to spend.

I don't want your money. God taught me that covetousness does not bear fruit. I have witnessed this first hand by Gods loving correction. I do not covet your wealth. My riches are joy, peace, love, hope, faith. Those are things my soul desires. They don't come by way of coveting another mans wealth. That only leads to contention, strife and discord. I'm only trying to promote spiritual understanding and love.


Proverbs 23:23 Buy truth, and do not sell it;
buy wisdom, instruction, and understanding.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm sure it appears that way but I'm not. I'm not asking for anything. What I'm arguing is sound doctrine. It could be said that you guys are arguing subjectively. You are worried about your money and it effects your judgment. If I were worried, wouldn't I be supporting a political agenda? I'm neither for or against any political party. I'm just saying it doesn't belong in the kingdom. I'm saying let the world worry about such things. As Christ said, take no thought for your life, those are things that gentiles worry about. If paul were preaching that message he would say those are things unbelievers worry about. I have no political agenda because my reasoning is objective and based solely on sound doctrine.

You are all over the place trying to justify your objections, like a slippery bar of soap.

Most people stop worrying about money when they have accumulated enough to satisfy their needs, whether those needs are real or imagined. Not everyone wants more more more.

I never worried about money (the biggest reason for my divorce) as I knew that I would eventually have 'enough'. When one has enough they don't worry about it, they manage it for the benefit of themselves, and their family, and perhaps a legacy so descendants will have better opportunities.

They are also generally quite generous in supporting charities and are often 'sustaining' contributors, which help ensure the ability of those agencies to continue their work.