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[W2L]

This site has a quote function,if you were interested in honesty you would use it prove things you say....but you do not

I don't need to. Everyone knows what you were arguing.

 

[civilwarbuff]

That is why I don't understand conservative anti-government sentiment. Some groups advocate for no government at all.

Anarchism
Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates self-governed societies based on voluntary institutions. These are often described as stateless societies,[1][2][3][4] although several authors have defined them more specifically as institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][6][7][8] Anarchism considers the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful,[9][10] because anarchists generally believe that human beings are capable of managing their own affairs on the basis of creativity, cooperation, and mutual respect, and when making individual decisions they are taking into account the concerns of others and the well-being of society.[11] While anti-statism is central,[12] anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of all human relations.[6][13][14][15][16][17][18][19]
Sounds more progressive liberal than conservative.....

 

[W2L]

Those scriptures refer to a person you are saying you are and I am not because I disagree with you,interestingly enough they contain the words "law" and "prosper"

There you go, showing that you do argue financial prosperity. You did say rich men are blessed by God too.

David was prophesying in that Psalm. The law is love and prosperity is the tree that yields its fruit in season. Fruit of the spirit is not wealth but joy, peace, love, hope, faith. God takes care of our food and clothing as well but that's not fruit. Also, when it says he prospers in whatever he does, it most likely means what Paul said in Romans 8 when he said all things work good for those who love God. Paul was talking about hardship and necessities. He gloried in nescessities. He was not rich in worldly treasure.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

From what Scripture says plainly , Genesis through Revelation,
you certainly DON'T want to know.

Instead, what is it Jesus said for all of us to do ?
What is it Jesus said each one of us was to give to others (physically) ?
Something we have,
or something we don't have ?

Remember He said , and Yochanan the immerser said,
"If you have TWO shirts.....
not
"If you have ONE shirt....
and so on....

That was then. Today we are awash in inexpensive imported clothing. Goodwill and other such outlets have tons of clothing that the poor access. A bit of humorous irony though. My late boss, a man of considerable wealth, got all his work clothes from Goodwill.

 

[W2L]

That was then. Today we are awash in inexpensive imported clothing. Goodwill and other such outlets have tons of clothing that the poor access. A bit of humorous irony though. My late boss, a man of considerable wealth, got all his work clothes from Goodwill.

Yes, but doing good for your enemies doesn't mean telling them to go to good will, does it? If people accuse us of evil and burn down the neighbor hood, how might we respond with love? What good can we do for them if they treat us like enemies?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I believe you're right. I've never seen the divisions in this country to be so extremely polarized than they have been during this election. It stirs up anger and hatred among the people, even among Christians who are called to love.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."
John 13:34-35

Godly love itself causes divisions, even among those in our own households. It was meant to do that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not that I'm arguing entitlement, but you raise an interesting question. Is a person entitled to more money than they need? Who is entitled to 50 million dollars? That's insane.

A better question might be where is that money and what is it doing? Few rich people can afford to put their money in a mattress. Follow the money, see what it's doing. The money of the rich is often doing much good that might not if broken into smaller piles. Large beneficial projects require the amassing of large amounts of capital.

 

[W2L]

Godly love itself causes divisions, even among those in our own households. It was meant to do that.

The division you are most likely referring to refers to division between believer and unbeliever, not between believers. God command us to be separate from the world. Love between believers does not end in division.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Godly love itself causes divisions, even among those in our own households. It was meant to do that.

Those who never get angry have never loved. It is love which is the basis for anger. Ask any parent of an addict.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If people accuse us of evil and burn down the neighbor hood, how might we respond with love? What good can we do for them if they treat us like enemies?

We wash our hands of them.

 

[W2L]

A better question might be where is that money and what is it doing? Few rich people can afford to put their money in a mattress. Follow the money, see what it's doing. The money of the rich is often doing much good that might not if broken into smaller piles. Large beneficial projects require the amassing of large amounts of capital.

Like building mansions?

 

[W2L]

We wash our hands of them.

The Lord teaches us to pray and do good for them. If God washed his hands of you, where would you be? Grace teaches us to love.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The division you are most likely referring to refers to division between believer and unbeliever, not between believers. God command us to be separate from the world. Love between believers does not end in division.

Disagreements aren't necessarily divisions. I may disagree with how some are "working out their own salvation" but I don't think this causes the divisions you are suggesting.

 

[W2L]

Those who never get angry have never loved. It is love which is the basis for anger. Ask any parent of an addict.

The bible says be angry and sin not. Railing against ones enemy, and dividing the Church over worldly matters is sin.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Like building mansions?

My fortune provides mortgages at low interest rates.

 

[W2L]

Disagreements aren't necessarily divisions. I may disagree with how some are "working out their own salvation" but I don't think this causes the divisions you are suggesting.

Paul exhorts us to have the same mind and judgment, and to have no divisions among us. If the Church were truly teaching and leading, why would there be division? That's a sign of an unhealthy leadership.

 

[W2L]

My fortune provides mortgages at low interest rates.

My mansion is in heaven. 0% interest

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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[OldWiseGuy]

I was just correcting the misuse of a parable, and the lack of understanding that the scriptures teach us. However, to answer your question, If a man invests in a business and creates Jobs that's not bad. However, if a man invests in a mansion, luxury cars, expensive vacations, clothes and possessions. What will his return be? If we are talking about helping the poor, where is the return on such investments?

Most who are that rich are also quite generous. It is the rich who donate the most in sheer dollar amounts, as well as paying lots of taxes much of which also goes to the poor. Give 'em a break already.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Its not my business, you're right. I have stated time and again that I'm not interested in what the unbelievers or government does. I don't care what rich believers do either, but we are talking doctrine here. I'm not judging people, im judging only the proper way of the Gospel.

Er no, you've pronounced some pretty terse judgments here.