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[sunlover1]

So some of us are just higher maintenance Believers, do ya think?

Arsenios

I think you've hit upon something here!

That is SO like me, way high maintenance,
Funny stuff but, true nonetheless lol.
Had too much trauma throughout my life,
so I kind of cling to Him like static filled socks
to dress shirts!

 

[Winter_Rose]

I think you've hit upon something here!

That is SO like me, way high maintenance,
Funny stuff but, true nonetheless lol.
Had too much trauma throughout my life,
so I kind of cling to Him like static filled socks
to dress shirts!

Aww! Bless your little cotton socks. I love his company too. I don't know what I would do without him.

 

[sunlover1]

Aww! Bless your little cotton socks. I love his company too. I don't know what I would do without him.

Thank you lol.
I can't even begin to imagine such a thing!
HOW do unbelievers do it! So sad.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

God speaks to us through scripture. There are dozens of verses that say this. Here are just are few: Ps 19:7-11, Ps 119:105, 2 Tim 3.16-17, 1 Thes 2:13, Col 3:16, James 1:25, 2 Pet 1:19, Heb 4:12, Matt 7:24, 1 John 1:1-4, Rom 1:16, John 8:47, Luke 11:28, Prov 30:5, Ps 119:18, Ps 119:24.

Now where are all the verses that says God speaks to us through feelings or voices in our minds?




Neither did he say my sheep will hear His voice in their heads.



You hit the nail on the head. "My sheep hear My voice" is clearly metaphorical as is the rest of the verse. It is bad exegesis to say that it is all metaphorical apart from one little bit that we should take literally and we really hear his voice speaking to us (telepathically in our heads even).

To be absolutely certain of it's meaning, Jesus repeats the metaphor throughout the chapter:

John 10:4 "the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out."
John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd."​

It is all clearly metaphorical. The shepherd speaks to his sheep and they follow him to safety and join the rest of the flock. It is not saying we will literally hear his voice, just as Jesus is not literally a shepherd, nor are we literally a flock of sheep.

Nor is it a voice in our heads or some divinely given thought. If it is literal as you claim we would expect to hear Christ's voice audibly via our ears, just as the sheep did, not telepathically in our heads.

Jesus then says "and they follow me". Do we follow Christ because we hear a voice in our heads, but because of his words and teachings recorded in scripture?

If you are going to take "hear his voice" literally then you should also take other references to God's voice literally. Here are just a small selection of such verses:

Deut 9:23 "Like the nations that the Lord makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the Lord your God."​

Were the Israelites barred from entering the promised land because they didn't listen to God's voice in their minds, or because they didn't believe the recorded promises given by God?

Judges 2:20 "So the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and He said, “Because this nation has transgressed My covenant which I commanded their fathers and has not listened to My voice". ​

Was the Lord angry with Israel because they were not obeying an inner voice or because they disobeyed his written commandments?

2 Kings 18:12 "because they did not obey the voice of the Lord their God, but transgressed His covenant, even all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded; they would neither listen nor do it."
​

The "voice" here is clearly metaphorical for God's commandments.

Psalm 103:20 "Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!" ​

Clearly "voice" is scripture here.

Jer 9:13 "The Lord said, “Because they have forsaken My law which I set before them, and have not obeyed My voice nor walked according to it". ​

Feelings or God's law?

Jer 26:12-13 "The Lord sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that you have heard. Now therefore amend your ways and your deeds and obey the voice of the Lord your God". ​

Inner thoughts or previous commands given by prophecy?

Jer 40:2-3 "The Lord your God promised this calamity against this place; 3 and the Lord has brought it on and done just as He promised. Because you people sinned against the Lord and did not listen to His voice, therefore this thing has happened to you". ​

Did they disobey their impressions, or previously given prophecy?

Dan 9:10 "nor have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His teachings which He set before us through His servants the prophets."
​

An inner voice or written teachings and prophecies?

Rev 3:19 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."
​

Does Jesus literally knock at the door, speak to us, and dine with us? Or is it a metaphorical picture of salvation by hearing the gospel?

Great work on this.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

If God speaking to us by inner voices is normative for all believers there will be clear didactic verses applicable to us all teaching this. Where are they?

Correct. Something akin to baptism. We don't just have stories of people being baptized, we also have the instruction to baptize.

 

[sunlover1]

God speaks to us through scripture. There are dozens of verses that say this. Here are just are few: Ps 19:7-11, Ps 119:105, 2 Tim 3.16-17, 1 Thes 2:13, Col 3:16, James 1:25, 2 Pet 1:19, Heb 4:12, Matt 7:24, 1 John 1:1-4, Rom 1:16, John 8:47, Luke 11:28, Prov 30:5, Ps 119:18, Ps 119:24.

Now where are all the verses that says God speaks to us through feelings or voices in our minds?

And don't forget, through donkeys!

Neither did he say my sheep will hear His voice in their heads.

He was talking about sheep so it's obvious they hear it with their ears.
But, it's about sheep, not people, according to your exegesis.

You hit the nail on the head. "My sheep hear My voice" is clearly metaphorical as is the rest of the verse. It is bad exegesis to say that it is all metaphorical apart from one little bit that we should take literally and we really hear his voice speaking to us (telepathically in our heads even).

To be absolutely certain of it's meaning, Jesus repeats the metaphor throughout the chapter:

John 10:4 "the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out."
John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd."​

It is all clearly metaphorical. The shepherd speaks to his sheep and they follow him to safety and join the rest of the flock. It is not saying we will literally hear his voice, just as Jesus is not literally a shepherd, nor are we literally a flock of sheep.

Nor is it a voice in our heads or some divinely given thought. If it is literal as you claim we would expect to hear Christ's voice audibly via our ears, just as the sheep did, not telepathically in our heads.

Jesus then says "and they follow me". Do we follow Christ because we hear a voice in our heads, but because of his words and teachings recorded in scripture?

It depends on who you talk to.
God speaks to people who've never even seen a Bible.
He speaks to us in very many ways, throughout Scripture.
He speaks to us in dreams and in visions, through Scripture,
through other members of the body, and certainly through
HIS still small VOICE..

You post several passages, that's great, but He does speak
to us MANY ways, and those too are recorded.
Since someone else has done some of the work, I present
this link for those who are seeking truth.

 

[Don Maurer]

Hinn is a great one at hearing the voice of God, above is a video of him talking about his doctrine of the 9 persons of the trinity. He has since repented of that heresy.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Patricia King often tells of God speaking directly to her, so this must be true.

 

[Don Maurer]

Here is one, got told him to get in line. I am confused what line, the bathroom?

 

[Don Maurer]

My favorite of Hinn hearing Gods voice is this one....

Hinn is proof you can get rich hearing the voice of God.

 

[swordsman1]

He was talking about sheep so it's obvious they hear it with their ears.

Right. But according to you this bit of the verse is literal, in which case we should also hear the voice with our ears.

He speaks to us in dreams and in visions

He did, to a few select individuals.

and certainly through
HIS still small VOICE..

Another frequently misinterpreted verse. When Elijah heard God's still small voice he was not asking God to speak to him; he was asking God to take his life! And again it is a figurative message, not instruction to Elijah to listen for God speaking in a literal whispering voice (God was already speaking to him!). It is no more literal than God speaking through a whirlwind or an earthquake.

 

[Don Maurer]

Did not Nebuchadnezzar hear the voice of God in a dream? By the way, was he a Christian?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Right. But according to you this bit of the verse is literal, in which case we should also hear the voice with our ears.



He did, to a few select individuals.



Another frequently misinterpreted verse. When Elijah heard God's still small voice he was not asking God to speak to him; he was asking God to take his life! And again it is a figurative message, not instruction to Elijah to listen for God speaking in a literal whispering voice (God was already speaking to him!). It is no more literal than God speaking through a whirlwind or an earthquake.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

..

 

[sunlover1]

Hinn is a great one at hearing the voice of God, above is a video of him talking about his doctrine of the 9 persons of the trinity. He has since repented of that heresy.

Should we say that reading the Bible is not of God
since so many twist it to make it say what they want.
Moot.

 

[sunlover1]

Right. But according to you this bit of the verse is literal, in which case we should also hear the voice with our ears.

Actually, I contend that this passage means that we hear His voice.
It is, after all, what it says.

He did, to a few select individuals.

Well those who recognize it are few indeed.
For God may speak in one way, or in another,
Yet man does not perceive it.
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night,
When deep sleep falls upon men,
While slumbering on their beds,
16 Then He opens the ears of men,
And seals their instruction.
17 In order to turn man from his deed,
And conceal pride from man,
18 He keeps back his soul from the Pit,
And his life from perishing by the sword.

God speaks to Christians everywhere,
He even uses donkeys when needed lol
You can mock with videos of benny hinn
I'll count it joy.
You can explain away the Scriptures smh
But we'll continue to hear our Father's voice..
behind us .. saying this is the way..

 

[oldthennew]

The idea the God talks back to us when we pray has become so accepted that it's difficult to challenge, but is it true or a cliché?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
What happened in the garden is God's design.
And He said and did so many things in the NT
that books couldn't HOLD it all.

And regardless, He still talks to His peeps.
You may not 'think' so, but that's not going to change it
"My sheep hear my voice..."

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when Yeshua speaks I listen, when I ask He hears,...

 

[jimmyjimmy]

What is a shifting, birthing anointing?

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when Yeshua speaks I listen, when I ask He hears,...

Wonderful. What has He said to you?

 

[oldthennew]

What is a shifting, birthing anointing?


Wonderful. What has He said to you?

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at a certain point in my calling, more than I would ever anticipated or felt that I deserved.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

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at a certain point in my calling, more than I would ever anticipated or felt that I deserved.

Great, but that's quantity. I asked about content.