JCFantasy23
In a Kingdom by the Sea.
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Your assumption is that none of us have experienced these things. I have experienced these things. From the age of eight until the age of eighteen our family church was a Pentecostal one (International Church of the Foursquare Gospel to be precise).
At the age of twelve a guest evangelist came to our church one night focusing primarily on reaching out to the younger people, so my parents brought me and that night I came forward to receive "baptism with the Holy Spirit". I had seen at on other occasions where people had been "slain in the Spirit" and so I went up, I saw others fall down, when the evangelist placed his hand on my head I also went down. A warm sensation flooded my body and, in the midst of others uttering glossolalia I began repeating certain syllables over and over again.
It was quite the remarkable experience, and afterward I became much more passionate at church. Where before I hated going to church and preferred to sit in the pew and doodle, I became more actively engaged.
Of course this was also during the onset of puberty, and facing the struggles of puberty I also came to try and rely on the rush of endorphin during worship to help satisfy my need to feel like I was accepted by God. Because the rest of the week my mind was rushing everywhere about sex and girls--you know, because I was a twelve year old boy. I had moments where I "knew I was saved" (a struggle I had dealt with since I was a small child, but that's part of my longer story), and then moments where I was convinced I wasn't saved, and even that perhaps I was unable to truly be saved. Why? Because I should have been experiencing the joy of the Lord, I should have been bearing fruit, I should have been getting certain sins under control if I was truly saved and truly had the Holy Spirit I should see some evidence of it in my life. It was a yo-yo effect, between spiritual highs and spiritual lows; and as an adolescent I simply didn't have the ability to deal with that kind of stress.
It's very possible that I suffered from what is called scrupulosity. But that's only hazarding a guess.
At the age of sixteen I joined my church's youth group on a mission to San Francisco. The first week of the mission was spent at a YWAM training camp. I had a powerful and very profound experience in that week, one that I kept with me for the rest of the duration of the trip, and kept with me in the months following.
I was very passionate about my faith, very zealous. I would spend hours in my room reading Scripture and listening to praise and worship music, pouring my heart out to God, laying prostrate in tears. I could easily work myself into a passionate frenzy of emotion in my room just as I could at my youth group and Sunday morning.
And then there would be weeks where I didn't experience anything. And that terrified me, I was convinced in those moments that I had offended God, and so He deprived His presence from me. So I worked very hard to try and avoid the sins I believed were most heinous and resulting in my being disciplined. But inevitably, no matter how hard I tried, I'd fail--of course I did, of course I would. And those old dreaded thoughts continued--I was unholy, I wasn't good enough for God, I didn't really mean it when I gave my life to Him I just thought I did. All I wanted was to feel like God loved me, to feel accepted by Him. I wasn't popular in school, I never was, but at least God would accept me; so I needed to feel accepted and loved. I never truly felt like I reached that place of being accepted by God, but I knew deep down that if I just kept trying, then I would grow and mature and become a better Christian, one that really loved the Lord and one that truly led a holy life. I knew I couldn't become sinless, but I was supposed to sin less right? So why wasn't I? Why was I sinning the same week after week?
That continued all the way through high school and into my earliest years as a legal adult and into my early twenties.
I know those experiences, I've had them. I've felt them. They are incredibly strong, and incredibly profound feeling.
That's also how I know how destructive depending on them is.
-CryptoLutheran
Thank you for sharing that story too. What you're describing is also why I think most don't - and shouldn't - have these intense feelings of euphoria all the time with God. It can confuse the person, or make them feel like there are moments where there is certain lacking when communication and connection happens without flutters in the chest or indescribable joy feelings. If the feeling doesn't keep up, the person may start doubting past experiences they had. They may start doubting themselves, as you said. It's more destructive than helpful. And of course there are those who may start chasing after the feeling of joy with God than God himself for all attributes and reasons. That's not to say that when these feelings and moments do come, that they're not wondrous and memorable and to be celebrated and embraced, but there has to be a balance to keep the relationship healthy. We are self-destructive by nature and tend to destroy the good in our lives if we don't watch it, including making ourselves stumble in our Christian walk.
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