7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Aman777]

Kenneth Redden said: ↑
You cannot use Science to prove the Spirit, they are absolutely incompatible. I believe that everything occurring in the KJV Bible, occurs before the “big bang” and the beginning of this Universe; when, "he made the stars also." Genesis 1:16.

Literal.

God's Literal Truth MUST agree with all other discovered truths of mankind, or it is NOT God's Truth. It's religion (belief). All religions are blind beliefs. Christianity is God in you. Romans 8:9 The "beliefs" of ancient Jewish theologians, were proven false when they called for the literal crucifixion of our Lord.

Here is the chronology of God's 6 Days.

Day 1...God creates air, dust and water and Jesus (Light) comes into the physical world from within the invisible Spirit of God. Gen 1:1-5
Day 2...Adam's firmament is made and called Heaven. Gen 1:6-8
Day 3...Adam's Earth is placed inside the firmament Gen 1:9-13, Adam is made Gen 2:4-7 and the plants herbs and trees are made. Gen 1:12-13 Adam is put into the Garden of Eden. Gen 2:8-9 Other heavens/universes are also made including the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Gen 2:4
Day 4...The first Stars of our world, light up. Gen 1:16 This agrees with the discovery made last year that it was 560 million years AFTER the Big Bang of our 2nd Heaven, which was confirmed by the Planck Satellite in 2015
Day 5..."Every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from WATER. Gen 1:21
Day 6...Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds from the dust of the ground and Adam names them. Gen 2:19 God the Trinity "CREATES" Adam and Eve (mankind) in His Image, which is to be born again Spiritually in Christ. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 Jesus dies for our sins is buried and arose on the third day after He was crucified. 1Co 15:4 Jesus returns at Armageddon and rules on Earth for 1k years...Death is destroyed and then God says it is very good. Gen 1:31

In 6 of God's Days/Ages. God's perfect 3rd Heaven is made Eternally and filled with ALL of it's "host" (Christians). Gen 2:1 THEN, God rests or ceases from ALL of His work of creating because His creation has now been made perfect. Gen 2:2-3 That is God's literal Truth of the Creation.

 

[-57]

Doesn't work, since the traditional religious teaching is that the time in the Garden was on another Day/Age. IOW, in the past.

2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured (helped) thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, NOW is the day of salvation.)

*** Once again. Prior to the fall....and they will be restored to the pre-fall state in the future.

Not so, since IF one looks at the 6th Day as IF in the past, it cannot be in the future. Today is the 6th Day/Age in the Creation of the perfect Heaven. It will remain the 6th Day/Age until the "host" of Heaven is complete and the host of Heaven will NOT be complete, until the end of the 6th Day when the last sinner to be saved is saved and safely in Heaven as God tells us in:

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (Heb-brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.

IF one thinks that the Creation has already been brought to perfection, it's hard for them to explain WHY there are still funeral homes doing business, today. Remember that the LAST enemy which SHALL be destroyed in DEATH. 1Co 15:26 God's work of creating CANNOT be complete until DEATH is destroyed. Neither can God's perfect Heaven be complete until ALL the host of Heaven, is in Heaven.

*** You can think whatever you want to think...but my bible sys God rested on the 7th day. So do the 10 commandments. I have no biblical reason to think the 7th day is future.

Not in the Hebrew tense. God's creating of mankind in Christ is written in the Hebrew Imperfect tense, which means that it is NOT yet complete. Gen 1:27 continues today and every Christian Church, teaches that God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image, Col 1:15 which is Spiritually In Christ, Today. Jesus Christ IS the ONLY Image of the invisible Spirit of God Col 1:15 and the Only God ever formed physically or that EVER will be formed physically. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is NO Saviour. To be "created in God's Image" is to be born again Spiritually in Christ. Amen?

I don't intend to argue this point with you..considering there is no denomination that agrees with you. Especially the Baptist who you claim you are part of.

 

[-57]

Then please explain HOW God rests. Does He get tired? WHY did He only rest for 24 hours and hasn't rested since? God's rest (Heb-shabath) will NOT happen until His creation of the perfect Heaven is brought to perfection. It's the ONLY way God's "perfect" work can end. It will NOT happen until Jesus returns to finish God's perfect work on Planet Earth. This is FUTURE and when Jesus changes ALL creatures into vegetarians. Gen 1:30 Amen?

You are applying the wrong nuance to the word "rested".
Click here to see the meaning of the word and how you misuse it.

 

[CodyFaith]

Not sure if it's been said yet, as the thread's quite long, but "blessed the 7th day and sanctified it" is very clear. He didn't bless the seventh millions/billions of year period, he blessed and sanctified the seventh day.
Genesis 2:3.

Not gonna go any farther than that in the thread, as Genesis speaks for itself really, just as the rest of the scriptures do.

 

[Kenneth Redden]

If what you say is true, then WHEN, in the past, were Christians given dominion over viruses, mosquitoes and Angels 1Co 6:3 as Gen 1:28 states? Also, WHEN, in the past, did all living creatures become vegetarians as Gen 1:30 states. Isaiah tells us that Bears and Lions eating straw happens AFTER Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day. Isa 11:7 God will NOT rest or cease creating until AFTER Jesus returns to this lost and dying world. The 7th Day is FUTURE. Amen?

Yes, the 7th Day is FUTURE but it is also past; it is just that these are the "last days." Hebrews 1:2.
WHEN, that would be on the sixth day, which hasn't happened yet because today is still the fourth day; the day He made the stars also. Genesis 1:16.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Just,

Where do you get the idea that 'another gives thousands'? I presume you are referring to the Bible? Where in the Bible does it give the age of the earth/universe?

Oz

Of old hast thou laid the foundations....

Do you think the writer of scripture thought a mere 2000 some years were of old?

How long do you think it took Adam to name all the animals?

Did God punish Adam unjustly warning him he would die without him having first hand knowledge of what death was? Animals were born, lived their lives and died, thus Adam understood the punishment for disobedience. Would God punish him without his understanding the consequences? Not my God, maybe yours.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Not sure if it's been said yet, as the thread's quite long, but "blessed the 7th day and sanctified it" is very clear. He didn't bless the seventh millions/billions of year period, he blessed and sanctified the seventh day.
Genesis 2:3.

Not gonna go any farther than that in the thread, as Genesis speaks for itself really, just as the rest of the scriptures do.

Not sure if it's been mentioned as this is a long thread.... Why yes it has I did.

A day is to the LORD as a thousand years.....

So just who's day are we discussing? Ours or the Author of the Bible?

Plus you are still refusing to adjust your clocks for time dilation when God "stretched out the heavens."

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I would say that, "day," in Genesis means the same thing as, "day," in 2 Peter 3:8. Why do you think God is, "still resting?"

Quite likely since a "day" to the author of the Bible is as a thousand years. Which are we to take that literal as some would days and mean every thousand years one day passes for God?

Plus they are still refusing to account for time dilation when God stretched out the heavens.

And how long did it take Adam to name all the animals, a day?

And I don't know about others, but my God would never punish someone unless they understood the consequences for disobedience. I know what death is because it happens all the time. How would Adam understand what it was unless he saw animals born, live their lives and die.

No, my God would never arbitrarily punish someone if they couldn't comprehend what the punishment entailed.

So I find it hard to accept Adam was created on the sixth day, named all the animals that day as well. plus knew what death was without knowing any evil or experiencing it. No, quite unlikely.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

God ceased from creation work, not salvation work. All of you stop trying to imply they mean the same thing.

John 5:17

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Doesn't work, since the traditional religious teaching is that the time in the Garden was on another Day/Age. IOW, in the past.

I believe that the time in the Garden was made in another dispensation, another universe; from the beginning of the Creation. These spent days may have something to do with, dark matter.

 

[Aman777]

I don't intend to argue this point with you..considering there is no denomination that agrees with you. Especially the Baptist who you claim you are part of.

I understand. You seem to prefer religion to God's Holy Word. It's the same with most people. I suggest you reply only to those who agree with your religion. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

You are applying the wrong nuance to the word "rested".
Click here to see the meaning of the word and how you misuse it.

False accusation since I try to always use the Hebrew term "to cease" creating. Here is the use of the word from your site:

shabath: to
Original Word: שָׁבַת
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shabath
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-bath')
Short Definition: to
Brown-Driver-Briggs
שָׁבַת71 verb cease, desist, rest

The first term used is to cease. Does your religion not teach the same? For God to cease from His labor, He MUST stop creating and since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "CREATE", the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit MUST rest. Are you trying to deny that the Holy Spirit is STILL working today through the Church?

 

[-57]

I understand. You seem to prefer religion to God's Holy Word. It's the same with most people. I suggest you reply only to those who agree with your religion. God Bless you

When you decide to present Gods Holy Word rather than a heretical belief...get back to me.

 

[Aman777]

Not sure if it's been said yet, as the thread's quite long, but "blessed the 7th day and sanctified it" is very clear. He didn't bless the seventh millions/billions of year period, he blessed and sanctified the seventh day.
Genesis 2:3.

Not gonna go any farther than that in the thread, as Genesis speaks for itself really, just as the rest of the scriptures do.

False, since Scripture tells us that heathens and unbelievers can NEVER understand Genesis, nor any of God's Holy Word.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[-57]

False accusation since I try to always use the Hebrew term "to cease" creating. Here is the use of the word from your site:

shabath: to
Original Word: שָׁבַת
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shabath
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-bath')
Short Definition: to
Brown-Driver-Briggs
שָׁבַת71 verb cease, desist, rest

The first term used is to cease. Does your religion not teach the same? For God to cease from His labor, He MUST stop creating and since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "CREATE", the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit MUST rest. Are you trying to deny that the Holy Spirit is STILL working today through the Church?

Need I say it again?????? God resting on day 7 tells us God stop the six day creation period described in the opening chapter of Genesis. It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the Holy Spirit still working through the church.

 

[Aman777]

When you decide to present Gods Holy Word rather than a heretical belief...get back to me.

Please tell me what Religion you subscribe to. I suspect Catholicism since they used the term "heretical belief". Do Catholics believe Scripture or do they prefer to "add to" what is actually written with the traditional religious view of ancient men who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science?

 

[Aman777]

Yes, the 7th Day is FUTURE but it is also past; it is just that these are the last days.
WHEN, that would be on the sixth day, which hasn't happened yet because today is still the fourth day; the day He made the stars also. Genesis 1:16.

I'm confused. How can today be the 4th Day...Scripturally?

 

[-57]

Please tell me what Religion you subscribe to. I suspect Catholicism since they used the term "heretical belief". Do Catholics believe Scripture or do they prefer to "add to" what is actually written with the traditional religious view of ancient men who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science?

Currently I attend a Baptist Church.....and from what I clearly understand YOU ARE NOT PRESENTING BAPTIST DOCTRINE DESPITE WHAT YOUR FAITH TAG SAYS.

 

[Aman777]

Not sure if it's been mentioned as this is a long thread.... Why yes it has I did.

A day is to the LORD as a thousand years.....

So just who's day are we discussing? Ours or the Author of the Bible?

Plus you are still refusing to adjust your clocks for time dilation when God "stretched out the heavens."

God is STILL stretching out the heavens. The Galaxies are continuing to increase in speed, instead of being brought back together, as Gravity should be doing. Some scientists call this "Dark Energy" because they cannot explain this Fact. The term dark shows that they have NO idea WHY the stars continue to increase in speed, but God does. Do you?

 

[Aman777]

Currently I attend a Baptist Church.....and from what I clearly understand YOU ARE NOT PRESENTING BAPTIST DOCTRINE DESPITE WHAT YOUR FAITH TAG SAYS.

I'm sorry. I'm Independent Baptist and my best friend in my youth was Lester Roloff of Corpus Christi, Texas. He always told me to go by what was actually written in the Bible. Most Baptists do. Why don't you?