7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

Riberra said:

Your simplicity makes things more complicated.God and the angels does not reside in the atmosphere of the Earth where the planes and birds fly.

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Who told you that, it wasn't me. Where do you think God and the angels reside?

Hi riberra,

Thanks for the explanation of 'the whole thing'. BTW, if I may just propose a conjecture regarding the abode of the angelic realm. We live in a created realm. The angels also live in a created realm. We don't have much information about that realm and how and when it was created, but we do know that God created each and every angel. Likely, what ever they need to have life God created for them in their realm just as He created everything that we need to have life in ours. But...

There is an author by the name of Frank Peretti who writes fictional stories, but they are based on his beliefs regarding our realm and the realm of the angels. His works propose that the two realms may well be interposed upon each other. That the angels live alongside of us, but are unseen to us because they live in this other realm that is not visible to us. However, from time to time God has drawn back the curtain that separates these two realms and we can see the angelic realm. Daniel was able to see an angel as was Joseph and Mary. The Scriptures do tell us that the angels are ministering spirits for our good. They may, in their capacity as ministering spirits, be able to see us all the time because they can see both realms. It may well be us, mankind, who are hamstrung, if you will, with an inability to not see this overlapping realm, but it exists right along side of ours.

If you get a chance, read his 'This Present Darkness' or 'This Piercing Darkness'. They were both, for me, good reads and may well give a valid explanation as to the actuality of the angelic realm and how it overlaps this realm in which we live. Sort of like dimensions, if you will.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted.

Kenneth Redden said:

Who told you that, it wasn't me. Where do you think God and the angels reside?

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Outside our material universe.

miamited said:

Hi riberra,

Thanks for the explanation of 'the whole thing'. BTW, if I may just propose a conjecture regarding the abode of the angelic realm. We live in a created realm. The angels also live in a created realm. We don't have much information about that realm and how and when it was created, but we do know that God created each and every angel. Likely, what ever they need to have life God created for them in their realm just as He created everything that we need to have life in ours.

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-Angels feeds on MANNA ----Humans can feed on manna as demonstrated by the Exodus account.

-The Angels described in the Bible always appear in human form ---

-The angels described in the Bible never appears as the popular depiction of angels with wings.

- Angels can eat our foods as demonstrated in the Bible .

-It seem- that the only difference between the angels and the humans [we have been made in their image and in their resemblance ] is that they have immortality and live with God in another realm of existence ...that we call the paradise in Heaven... the Third Heaven.

The KJV Bible, we are woven into the pages of that book.
My concept of time, as with the Lord:
The first day started from everlasting. Jesus was the second man and after Adam died, the second day could begin.
The second day begins before the flood and last throughout the flood.
The third day begins when the flood begins to dry.
The fourth day, “To day,” will last until the Father sends the Son to redeem the world.
The fifth day will last a thousand years.
The sixth day will be one day, a thousand years long.
The seventh day is eternity.

Riberra said:

Outside our material universe.

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Do you think it could be reserved for us in, dark matter?

Kenneth Redden said:

Do you think it could be reserved for us in, dark matter?

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Forget about dark matter it was invented by the astronomers to try to fill the holes in astrophysics ... it came along with dark energy because ordinary matter and energy /was not enough to explain what they observe versus their original model of the universe ....To keep their jobs alive [financed from tax payers]they needed to invent undetectable matter and energy with our actual detection equipments ---with the objective that one day they will be able to find a way to detect it... you see the pattern.

Riberra said:

Forget about dark matter it was invented by the astronomers to try to fill the holes in astrophysics ... it came along with dark energy because ordinary matter and energy /was not enough to explain what they observe versus their original model of the universe ....To keep their jobs alive [financed from tax payers]they needed to invent undetectable matter and energy with our actual detection equipments ---with the objective that one day they will be able to find a way to detect it... you see the pattern.

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Dark matter goes along well with my concept of God's Word. Do you have a degree in Astrophysics? I can equate M Theory, or super string theory with "an instrument of ten strings" in Psalms 33:2, Psalms 92:3 & Psalms 144:9 KJV.

Kenneth Redden said:

Dark matter goes along well with my concept of God's Word.

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There is no mention of something even remotely similar to the concept of dark matter anywhere in the Bible... That would be interesting if you show us the verses talking about it....because i have probably missed them.

Kenneth Redden said:

.Do you have a degree in Astrophysics?

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No, but i go at astrophysics sites and astronomy forums who provide information about the latest attempts made by those who have a degree in Astrophysics in their efforts to find dark matter.

If you are interested in doing some reading efforts here it is :

Dark Energy and Dark Matter Might Not Exist, Scientists Allege
http://www.space.com/8588-dark-energy-dark-matter-exist-scientists-allege.html

Dark matter and dark energy are two of the most mind-boggling ingredients in the universe. Ever since these CONCEPTS were first proposed, some astronomers have worked feverishly to figure out what each thing is, while other astronomers have tried to prove they don't exist, in hopes of restoring the universe to the more understandable place many would like it to be.

A new look at the data from one of the telescopes used to establish the existence of this strange stuff is causing some scientists to question whether they really exist at all. Yet other experts are holding firm to the idea that, whether we like it or not, the "dark side" of the universe is here to stay.

Dark matter is a PROPOSED form of matter that could make up 22 percent of the universe's mass-energy budget, vastly outweighing all the normal matter, like stars and galaxies. Astronomers can't observe dark matter directly, but they think it's there because of the gravitational pull it seems to exert on everything else. Without dark matter, the thinking goes, galaxies would fly apart.

As if that weren't weird enough, scientists THINK another 74 percent of the mass-energy budget could be made of some strange quantity called dark energy. This force is thought to be responsible for the accelerating pace of the expansion of the universe. (For those keeping track, that would leave only a measly 4 percent of the universe composed of normal matter.)

Kenneth Redden said:

I can equate M Theory, or super string theory with "an instrument of ten strings" in Psalms 33:2, Psalms 92:3 & Psalms 144:9 KJV.

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From dark matter concept to super string theory...Why not MOND and MACHO theory ?

Kenneth Redden said:

in Psalms 33:2, Psalms 92:3 & Psalms 144:9 KJV.

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Why not with a 6 or 12 strings guitar rather than with an instrument of ten strings, if you want to sing a new song to praise God Psalms 144:9 ?

miamited said:

Hi riberra,

As I explained, Cain's wife was a daughter of Adam and Eve. Your assumption that Adam and Eve only had two times of sexual relations because the Scriptures only speak of two, is exactly that...an assumption. Now, the Scriptures that we hold today place a comma where it says after a particular father was so old he had a certain son, comma and they then had other children. However, there were no such grammatical devices in the original Hebrew. Words just ran together and where we find all the commas and periods in the Scriptures, they have been placed their by translators. In an attempt to make the Scriptures more understandable in modern language. But...

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All of that ancient material in the KJV Bible is nothing more than a media for the true message God has for man, our place in the days of the creation. Nevertheless; the word, "sex," is never used in the KJB Bible. See; this is a type of error caused by your misreading the Word of God.

Riberra said:

From dark matter concept to super string theory...Why not MOND and MACHO theory ?

Why not with a 6 or 12 strings guitar rather than with an instrument of ten strings, if you want to sing a new song to praise God Psalms 144:9 ?

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Nevertheless; thanks for the opportunity...

Good morning riberra,

Angels eat manna. I don't suppose you could show me your reference for that?

Yes, as far as we know the angels that have appeared to man have been described with human-like features. However, there are descriptions of angelic beings that have wings. You see, God seems to like diversity and while all humans, since Adam and Eve have been created from other men, our progeny look like us. However, just as God swept His arm, so to speak, across the universe and created a myriad of different designs among the stars; and upon the earth created a vast and differing flora and fauna to inhabit the earth with us, God seems to have created all the angels each one Himself. I gather this from God's telling us that Lucifer was a most beautiful angel on the day that he was created, that God likely created each angel individually, although He may have created some as a group together. But again, I readily admit that a lot of this is just as much conjecture as many of your claims. However, Psalm 148:5 seems to be speaking of mankind, the heavens and the earth, and the angels and speaks of all of them having been created by God.

Now, you have written that you believe the difference between the angelic beings and humans is that they are immortal. I do agree that there are differences in how angels and humans exist, but the Scriptures do seem to explain that in the end we will all live immortally. The difference only seems to be where we will spend that immortal and everlasting life. Some seem to think that those who do not receive God's promise of life with Him will no longer exist. Having been somehow burned up in the fires of hell, but that really isn't how the Scriptures depict the next life.

Jesus speaks of there being eternal torment for those cast into hell. Eternal is a very, very long time. The Revelation ends by telling us that there will be the 'dogs' outside the eternal city of Zion. That no unrighteous person will ever enter the city. So, it would appear that the wicked are still around, they just aren't living with the blessings and protections of God. However, there does seem to be a time when men lie unliving and unknowing in the grave before that day of judgment, except of course, for those who are alive when Jesus returns, according to Paul. But, they will all be raised from the grave to stand in the judgment.

BTW, perhaps I missed it, and if so please reference your post, but have you ever answered my question to you about whether you agree with the writer of your referenced site that the teaching of a young created realm that we live in being a stumbling block to those seeking salvation?

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted.

Kenneth Redden said:

All of that ancient material in the KJV Bible is nothing more than a media for the true message God has for man, our place in the days of the creation. Nevertheless; the word, "sex," is never used in the KJB Bible. See; this is a type of error caused by your misreading the Word of God.

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Hi kenneth,

Buy a thesaurus! I agree that the word 'sex' is not in the Scriptures, until I get to the place where it tells me about the people of Sodom banging on Lot's door. Oh, and when Moses tells the people to prepare themselves by abstaining from sexual relations. When I write 'sexual' union or relations, I am merely using a word today which reasonably equates to what the Scriptures are telling us when they say that a 'man lay with a woman'. I'm fairly confident that it doesn't mean that they just went to bed and went to sleep, otherwise there wouldn't have been children born as a result of that action that the Scriptures are speaking of.

Also, writing KJB bible is saying the King James bible bible. It should be either KJV bible to say the King James Version bible or KJB alone, which would mean the King James bible. I'm sure that it's likely just a small thing, but such small things can cause people to misread what is intended by the author. Personally, I have no problem with writing 'sexual relation' in place of 'lay with' and I strongly doubt that either creates any misunderstanding when reading the Scriptures, as both are used within them to also intend the reader to understand the same thing. Moses meant to let the people know that they should not have sex with their husbands or wives that night and God intended for us to understand that Adam and Eve had sex with each other from which a child was conceived.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted

miamited said:

Good morning riberra,

Angels eat manna. I don't suppose you could show me your reference for that?

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Psalms 78:24-25

24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven.

25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

miamited said:

BTW, perhaps I missed it, and if so please reference your post, but have you ever answered my question to you about whether you agree with the writer of your referenced site that the teaching of a young created realm that we live in being a stumbling block to those seeking salvation?

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I think the author rather said that the belief in Jesus Christ is the way to those seeking salvation.
Not the belief in a 6,000 years old Earth creation.

Riberra said:

There is no mention of something even remotely similar to the concept of dark matter anywhere in the Bible... That would be interesting if you show us the verses talking about it....because i have probably missed them.


No, but i go at astrophysics sites and astronomy forums who provide information about the latest attempts made by those who have a degree in Astrophysics in their efforts to find dark matter.

If you are interested in doing some reading efforts here it is :

Dark Energy and Dark Matter Might Not Exist, Scientists Allege
http://www.space.com/8588-dark-energy-dark-matter-exist-scientists-allege.html

Dark matter and dark energy are two of the most mind-boggling ingredients in the universe. Ever since these CONCEPTS were first proposed, some astronomers have worked feverishly to figure out what each thing is, while other astronomers have tried to prove they don't exist, in hopes of restoring the universe to the more understandable place many would like it to be.

A new look at the data from one of the telescopes used to establish the existence of this strange stuff is causing some scientists to question whether they really exist at all. Yet other experts are holding firm to the idea that, whether we like it or not, the "dark side" of the universe is here to stay.

Dark matter is a PROPOSED form of matter that could make up 22 percent of the universe's mass-energy budget, vastly outweighing all the normal matter, like stars and galaxies. Astronomers can't observe dark matter directly, but they think it's there because of the gravitational pull it seems to exert on everything else. Without dark matter, the thinking goes, galaxies would fly apart.

As if that weren't weird enough, scientists THINK another 74 percent of the mass-energy budget could be made of some strange quantity called dark energy. This forctil you undersane is thought to be responsible for the accelerating pace of the expansion of the universe. (For those keeping track, that would leave only a measly 4 percent of the universe composed of normal matter.)

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Would you like to hear about my understanding, because until you know what I believe; you can say nothing about it.

Kenneth Redden said:

Would you like to hear about my understanding, because until you know what I believe, you can say nothing about it.

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Let see what it is.

miamited said:

Hi kenneth,

Buy a thesaurus! I agree that the word 'sex' is not in the Scriptures, until I get to the place where it tells me about the people of Sodom banging on Lot's door. Oh, and when Moses tells the people to prepare themselves by abstaining from sexual relations. When I write 'sexual' union or relations, I am merely using a word today which reasonably equates to what the Scriptures are telling us when they say that a 'man lay with a woman'. I'm fairly confident that it doesn't mean that they just went to bed and went to sleep, otherwise there wouldn't have been children born as a result of that action that the Scriptures are speaking of.

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The idea of "sex" is not in the Bible; it is the product of a depraved mind.

miamited said:

Also, writing KJB bible is saying the King James bible bible.

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Excuse me, but that's KJV Bible, for King James Version of the Bible. Or maybe even, Kenneth Jesus Victory Bible. What do you think?

Hi kenneth,

Not a problem at all. As I said, I was sure it was some small error.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted

Hi riberra,

Thank you for that reference. Yes, it would seem that men have eaten the food of angels. I had never caught that in my readings. I appreciate your helping me with that. That's why I ask. Reading through the rest of that psalm sure does bring me under conviction. I too, have had occasions of running to God and then turning back in sin and then running to God again.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted

miamited said:

Hi kenneth,

Not a problem at all. As I said, I was sure it was some small error.

God bless you,
In Christ, Ted

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Thank you and God bless you too, Ted.