666

[simwells]

Simple question (I hope)
Does 666 refer to the first or second beast?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[simwells]

See how the chapter begins with the heads have a name?

Then later we find one of the heads has his deadly wound healed - that is the beast that the world will wonder after.
The first beast up out of the earth.

Then in Rev. 17-John saw another beast coming up out of the earth-that being the second beast up out of the earth,..the false prophet.

666 is the number of the basphemy named first beast up out of the earth.

So first beast (Devil) not second (Anti-Christ)

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[FreeinChrist]

So first beast (Devil) not second (Anti-Christ)

The dragon is the Devil. The first beast is the Antichrist and 666 refers to the first beast. The second beast is the False prophet.

BTW, like the avatar and your character!

 

[MbiaJc]

See how the chapter begins with the heads have a name?

Then later we find one of the heads has his deadly wound healed - that is the beast that the world will wonder after.
The first beast up out of the earth.

Then in Rev. 13-John saw another beast coming up out of the earth-that being the second beast up out of the earth,..the false prophet.

666 is the number of the basphemy named first beast up out of the earth.

Sorry Val but that not right. The first beast comes up out of the sea(mankind). He is the AC that comes out of the botomless pit. The reasn he is in the pit is because he has had a deadly wound, his deadly wound is healed when he comes out. He is the eight king but is of the seven of Daniels forth beast kingdom. He is the little horn that comes up out of the 10 horns on Daniels beast and he plucked 3 of the ten up by the roots, leaving 7-eight counting himself. And the 10 horns are for 10 kings that has not recieved a kingdom as yet. The second beast comes up out of the earth(religion), the false prophet. He got 2 horns and speaks like a dragon(satin). The two horns I think is Islam & Judism.

 

[Brain Damage]

What i find interresting about these two beasts is that the scripture says that the Dragon (Satan) gives the first beast his power , throne and great authority.

But when we get to the second beast , it says he (second beast) speaks like a Dragon , and so i assume the second beast (false prophet) is actualy the Dragon (Satan) , for if he speaks like a Dragon then he must be the Dragon.

Just the way i view it.

Now what was your question again?......

LOL

 

[88Devin07]

Nope the false prophet is the corruption of the Holy Spirit (a mock version of him)

You have instead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
the Unholy Trinity of Satan, Antichrist and False Prophet.

 

[Brain Damage]

Nope the false prophet is the corruption of the Holy Spirit (a mock version of him)

You have instead of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
the Unholy Trinity of Satan, Antichrist and False Prophet.

I disagree , the false prophet is just that . He is pretending to be a prophet of God but he is "false".

I believe he is pretending to fulfill the prophecy of Malachi 4:5 of which it says , "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord".

 

[88Devin07]

I don't care if you disagree, But the fact is that he is being the third part of the unholy trinity.

 

[simwells]

Yeah I looked over it again, and I thought the first beast was a repeat of the dragon, but 666 refers to the first beast (whch I believe to be the antichrist)

 

[OttawaUk]

Here's a possibility..

The final head of the seven headed beast will be the Antichrist. So this Beast are kings who have actedd on behalf of Satan, committing blasphemies against God and His people.
Now in Revelation 13, it seems to only be referring to the Antichrist head of the beast when it says he was given power over all nations, speaking great things etc. Therefore, when it says the dragon (Satan) gives him his power, it could also mean that he rises under some sort of great deception. Afterall in the end of days it does also say "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe the LIE: that they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.".

Anyways, the False Prophet seems to be someone who is holy, at least at the beginning, or he claims to be holy. He will perform all kinds of great miracles which people will fall for including getting people to worship the Antichrist and his image.

I agree with the unholy trinity. This is possibly how it could play out.

Holy Trinity - God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Unholy Trinity - The Dragon Satan, Antichrist, and False Prophet.

Also, if you look at the Biblical times before the Flood, you see there were all kinds of strange things going on, like Giants, angels interbreeding with humans - Nephillim, etc.
The creatures inhabiting the earth back then were probably quite bizarre and beyond what we can imagine today. And before Jesus comes back, remember what it says:

"As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be"

So in the End of Times, the delusion could include so called "aliens", which are really demons, giants, nephillim etc.

Movies have been conditioning people to accept all kinds of bizarre creatures, so who knows what it'll be like.

Bottom line, Jesus is our Lord and Saviour, put all your trust in Him.

God Bless...

 

[Brain Damage]

Also, if you look at the Biblical times before the Flood, you see there were all kinds of strange things going on, like Giants, angels interbreeding with humans - Nephillim, etc.
The creatures inhabiting the earth back then were probably quite bizarre and beyond what we can imagine today. And before Jesus comes back, remember what it says:

"As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be"

So in the End of Times, the delusion could include so called "aliens", which are really demons, giants, nephillim etc.

Movies have been conditioning people to accept all kinds of bizarre creatures, so who knows what it'll be like.

Bottom line, Jesus is our Lord and Saviour, put all your trust in Him.

God Bless...

I agree , and here is one that never rates a mention.

KJV.... in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

And a better rendering of that would be...............

TNLT.....This little horn had eyes like human eyes and a mouth that was boasting arrogantly.


You will notice it says that he has eyes "LIKE" , but not eyes that were or are human or mans eyes.

We are now entering the twilight zone ....lol

 

[OttawaUk]

Very good find, I've ever even noticed that! That is incredible and shows that the Antichrist could in fact be non-human. Perhaps of the serpent race, Nephillim, Fallen ones etc. I

It could also have something to do with this..

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

Think about the implications of what these means. These serpent creatures could communicate or talk to Eve but more importantly before this happened, they could've been walking upright like people!

Then look at the very next verse..

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

THY SEED AND HER SEED! That could mean that this serpent race contaminated the Godly race with their own seed. There is some kind of cross-breeding going on here.

Anyways, there are plenty of websites who delve deeply into all of this, such as stargods.org. At any rate, people should not forget that Satan, the great deceiver has ruled the world since the beginning.

The love and trust belongs with Christ Jesus, not with man.

God Bless...

 

[Barraco]

What i find interresting about these two beasts is that the scripture says that the Dragon (Satan) gives the first beast his power , throne and great authority.

But when we get to the second beast , it says he (second beast) speaks like a Dragon , and so i assume the second beast (false prophet) is actualy the Dragon (Satan) , for if he speaks like a Dragon then he must be the Dragon.

Just the way i view it.

Now what was your question again?......

LOL

the dragon is Satan the great deciever. many people decieve. so to speak like the dragon is to decieve people. the false prophet will be a false witness to the beast. like John the Baptist witnessed that Jesus was the Messiah, so will the false prophet witness that about the beast. the false prophet will perform signs and wonders to decieve people into thinking he's the real deal.

 

[Brain Damage]

the dragon is Satan the great deciever. many people decieve. so to speak like the dragon is to decieve people. the false prophet will be a false witness to the beast. like John the Baptist witnessed that Jesus was the Messiah, so will the false prophet witness that about the beast. the false prophet will perform signs and wonders to decieve people into thinking he's the real deal.

The reason i view it the way i do is because it says the Dragon gives the first beast his power , throne and great authority , but it doesn't say that the Dragon gives the second beast his power and authority , it just says he spake as a Dragon (KJV)

And as you have pointed out above , the second beast is pointing the way for people to worship the first beast , hence the Dragon gives him his power.

But in the end it doesn't really matter , as we both know that the false prophet is just that , "FALSE".

Beware of anybody making fire come down from heaven , chances are he is up to no good , especialy if you happen to be jewish.


2Ki 1:12 - Show Context
And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven,


1 Kings 18:24- Then you call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord; and the God who answers by fire, He is God." So all the people answered and said, "It is well spoken."


So watch out for the coming of a prophet pretending to fulfill Malachi 4:5 - Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Problem here is that the real Elijah spoken of in Malachi 4:5 is also coming , wonder if that will cause some confusion....

 

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[Barraco]

The reason i view it the way i do is because it says the Dragon gives the first beast his power , throne and great authority , but it doesn't say that the Dragon gives the second beast his power and authority , it just says he spake as a Dragon (KJV)

And as you have pointed out above , the second beast is pointing the way for people to worship the first beast , hence the Dragon gives him his power.

But in the end it doesn't really matter , as we both know that the false prophet is just that , "FALSE".

Beware of anybody making fire come down from heaven , chances are he is up to no good , especialy if you happen to be jewish.


2Ki 1:12 - Show Context
And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven,


1 Kings 18:24- Then you call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the Lord; and the God who answers by fire, He is God." So all the people answered and said, "It is well spoken."


So watch out for the coming of a prophet pretending to fulfill Malachi 4:5 - Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Problem here is that the real Elijah spoken of in Malachi 4:5 is also coming , wonder if that will cause some confusion....

well the real prophet won't be alone, there will be another prophet. in my opinion: Moses. we see that the beast comes first then the false prophet comes and does wonders in sight of the first beast. the beast will claim to be God as the false prophet supports his thoughts. the two witnesses (one of whom is most possibly Elijah, from what we read in Rev. 11), they testify that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and the Only Begotten Son of God. as far as the dragon goes, we know he isn't the false prophet, because the false prophet is thrown in the lake of fire 1,000 years before Satan is. so, thus the false prophet is just plain false prophet. what do you think? God bless

 

[TheListener]

Here is one theory I thought may be worth a look.

I think the false prophet is Muhammed, and the beast is allah. I really do think allah is real, however he is but an evil spirit and not God. And keep in mind how heretics work. They will have %95 sound doctrine which makes sense and the other %5 will show their true colours. Islams true colours it seems is to make people turn away from the real Living God and to their own allah. There is a spiritual force present in islam, no doubt about it (I come from a muslim background) and any "feelings" Christianity and the Holy Spirit gives us is also present in islam but in a bit more of a sinister way. Hope that makes sense.

1 John 4:1-3
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Keep that in mind and look at these:

"They say, 'Accept the Jewish or the Christian faith and you shall be rightly guided.' Say, 'By no means! We believe in the faith of Abraham, the upright one. He was no idolater.'" (Surah 2:135)

"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)

"Say, 'Obey Allah and the apostle.' If they give no heed, then truly, Allah does not love the unbelievers." (Surah 3:29)

"They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. they declared: 'We have put to death the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God.' they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did...they did not slay him for certain. God lifted him up to him..." (Surah 4:157-158)

"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)

"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

"And say: All praise is due to Allah, WHO HAS NOT TAKEN A SON and WHO HAS NOT A PARTNER in the kingdom."(Sura 17.111)

"NEVER DID ALLAH TAKE TO HIMSELF A SON, and never was there with him any (other) god . . ." (Sura 23:91)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)

There you have it. They have carefully crafted lies to make us not concentrate on these issues but look at the rest plagiarised from Judaism instead, claiming & demanding credibility. A brief look at the history of islam will speak for itself and prove that the above teachings are very much in their nature. And judging by the sheer size of the masses they hold, could this indeed be the work of satan?

Revelation 17:9
"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

Istanbul was the capital of islam for a long time, during the Ottoman Empire when the Ottoman Emperors were also given the title "Chaliphe". A Pope for muslims, so to speak.

Istanbul is also nicknamed, to this day, "The city on 7 hills". I know this because I've been there. I know the 7 hills are not actual hills but kings. I just wanted to point out the funny coincidence.

I'm not claiming any of this to be true. I hope I'm wrong. It isn't a prophecy, it isn't coming to me from God, it's nothing more than a thought I had which I wanted to share with everyone here. Please don't flame me for being a heretic in a hurry