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The gospel of Mark is typically dated around 70CE, while the death of Jesus is typically dated around 30CE. So it's actually more like 40 years. Not 70.
Of course they are signs, but they are not astrology. When you look at the sky and say it will rain, you are not practicing a pagan worship. When you look at cards in a deck and say a flood will destroy your home, you are practicing a pagan worship. I think you know the difference.
See the post #817. The Sun, the Moon and the stars were not meant to be signs for raining (how...?), but for significant events on Earth.
It was just an example of human observation (science) and the difference with paganism. I read #817 twice, and I don’t see your point, except that you seem to contradict yourself. You asked David Lamb if he believed in astrology since he believes that signs in the heavens are useful for things that have little or nothing to do with astrology. (#811)
My point is simple. Genesis 1 is a cultural text influenced by the Babylonian worldview. As we today know that the Earth is not flat, that stars are not just lights in the firmament and that the Earth is not 6,000 years old, so also we do not stick to astrology, because we know that the astronomical objects obey the laws of motion.
Seasons are times, and they are both signs of events.
We can go in circle with those issues forever, as been done on other threads. However, I would like to point out that Genesis is not just a text from some history book. It contains many important truths that go beyond the simple narrative. You probably can’t see them, but they confirm the divine inspiration to those who can. However, those truths are not the subject of this thread, so I’ll let you argue with somebody who is willing to go in those circles with you.
But the bible does not say that the earth is flat. So I don't "argue it's flat cause the bible said its so" as you suggest. I don't agree that the bible was "Created at Council of Nicaea, held in 325 AD." The Old Testament was already in use by the Jews many hundreds of years before that. Even the New Testament was in use before Nicaea. I agree that translations of the bible differ, which is why concordances can be helpful to help us see the meanings of the original Greek or Hebrew words. And no, the New Testament was not entirely "written by people who did not even know Jesus or the Apostles." Matthew was himself an apostle. Mark knew Paul, an apostle. Luke says he knew eyewitnesses:
Is there a reason YECs keep repeating the same incorrect arguments?
Well, as should be obvious to all that have been around for a bit, we can't always get what we want. My exact point on many occasions, is to point out just how many scientific observations support and or prove a YEC world view or faith. Which points also bring up many serious questions regarding the presumptions of those of the deep timers world views or faith. You of course do not have to read or respond to anything I post. Nevertheless, freedom of speech and expression, does certainly require patience toward others who simply are not like us in many ways and or at all. I have no desire to be controlled or boxed within parameters of discussion or debate that someone else wishes to impose upon me or others. Nor do I wish to bound others with my own self created and or imposed rules of engagement as it were. If I cannot relate to the way someone else addresses issues, I am of course free not to read and or enter into discussion with them. Which I believe to be a better course of action than trying to control how they wish to express themselves or address this or that issue. Unless of course their methods are rude or intentionally insulting. I do not intend or seek to offend, but simply defend my own faith and or world views.
Nor are creationists addressing what was without shape or form before creation. We are addressing creation, not what was before it. Whatever it was, it was without shape or form, which counts out a sphere which is in fact a shape and form. We do not know, and I do not believe most creationists are attempting to say we do know. This is a deep timers claim, not a YEC one. YEC's mainly address that described in Genesis regarding the last in and around 6000 years. If there are YEC's attempting to explain such, they will no doubt have to make presumptions as deep timers do. Presumptions though, never equal scientific fact. The video by the astronomer, mentions the waters which God separated at creation, but does not attempt to address what they were.
