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5 different veiws on salvation

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OnederWoman

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Lotar said, "There are 5 different veiws on salvation, Calvinist, Arminian, Lutheran, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox."

I pretty much have a grasp on the Calvinist and Arminian views....

Would anyone like to list the basics of each of the 5 views on Salvation?

(list the Calvinist and Armenian views to, for anyone who might not know them, and well, I'd like to see everyone's views on them as well)

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Defens0rFidei said:
You might want to ask Catholics about our views in the Catholic forum...or read the CCC.
Well... I believe the question concerning the Armenian, Calvinist and Luthern view can still be answered here.

I am mostly intersted in learning about the Lutheran view... since I think that that may be the one I know the least about.

Don't get too grumbly about my including the Catholics in the question... the question was based on a quote.
 
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OnederWoman said:
Well... I believe the question concerning the Armenian, Calvinist and Luthern view can still be answered here.

I am mostly intersted in learning about the Lutheran view... since I think that that may be the one I know the least about.

Don't get too grumbly about my including the Catholics in the question... the question was based on a quote.

Not grumpy at all.

Luther viewed justification as by faith alone, since he thought that all we could do was sin, even our good works were filthy, etc...but you probably wanted a protestant answer....
 
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Rechtgläubig said:
I am at work right now, but will try to respond tonight when I have time, Oneder. Sorry :(
Thanks.... no problem on when you respond... we are in the process of moving... I'll be packing and moving little stuff all day and the big stuff goes tomorrow... so I'll be MIA a bit myself.

For future reference I am interested in how the Luthern view differs from the Calvinist and Armenian views... and also, if there are anything similarities between any of them.

Thanks...

And, no, Defens0rFidei, it doesn't matter to me who answers, whether there they are protestant or not. Also... I didn't think this question would be a problem... I'm not looking to debate which view is right or wrong... I'm just looking for basic information on the different views... which to me seemed interesting.
 
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OnederWoman said:
Well... I believe the question concerning the Armenian, Calvinist and Luthern view can still be answered here.

I am mostly intersted in learning about the Lutheran view... since I think that that may be the one I know the least about.
Well, I pretty much hold to the Lutheran view, modified a little.

The idea is based first of all on the understanding that original sin completely negates any chance of man cooperating in his election to salvation. The picture most useful is that of a dead man being resurrected. The dead man is powerless to bring himself back to life, so it takes God's intervention and activity to bring him to life. Thus, to Luther, man is elected to salvation and by God's grace alone, is brought to life, not of his own action, but only by God's. God's means of the spiritual rebirth is faith, which is bestowed as a gift to man and renews his heart making him a new creation. This gift of grace and faith comes through means, the means being the Word of God, found in the Gospel and the Sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper. One cannot be saved without the means of grace, as God has placed the means of grace where we can find it and be assured of our salvation by them. The life of the Christian must be evident and is necessary to complete one's journey to salvation- in Lutheran doctrine you can fall from grace. The believer must lead the life of the new obedience out of love for His Saviour and to show forth the good works God has prepared for him to do or his faith is null.

In Lutheran doctrine, one cannot seek to be saved outside of the Gospel and Sacraments. The sacraments are in fact considered the Gospel (forgiveness of sin) in the sacramental elements. The Gospel is in baptism, where the water is joined to the Word of God. Luther commented symbolically that if we could see the waters of baptism with the eyes of faith it would not be clear in colour, but as crimson from the blood of Christ. Likewise, the body and blood of Christ is applied to us in the Lord's Supper and given to us in a real, true, and actual way. To Luther, it is the same as being able to walk up to the cross itself on that Good Friday and receive the blood from the wounds of Christ physically. Lutheran doctrine sees the necessity of the genuine, true,and real application of the Gospel of forgiveness as being essentially the difference between assurance and uncertainty. If one knows for sure one has received God's forgiveness one cannot doubt one's election and will live according to that faith. One is assured of receiving that grace through the sacraments and the promises of God in them, which is in itself the Gospel.

Hope that helps as a primer.

Lutheran Theology Website (very useful and extensive)
 
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Defens0rFidei said:
Not grumpy at all.

Luther viewed justification as by faith alone, since he thought that all we could do was sin, even our good works were filthy, etc...but you probably wanted a protestant answer....
Perhaps he was thinking of this Scripture.

“ All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.” (Isaiah 64:6 NIV)

 
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The Catholic view on soteriology would be not so much of works per se, as assumed by many of the Protestant brethren, but of faith resulting in obedience, faith working by love.

As human beings, we have all inherited original sin from Adam's trespass, and even though we may not have committed the actual sin of Adam, the taint of original sin is there. Thus the necessity of our faith in Christ through the material mode of baptism to cleanse us from the stain of original sin. Note that it is not baptism per se, but with faith.

Justification is by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. What is faith? Obedience. Trust.

Due to the sacramental nature of Catholicism, we continue to "work out" our already accepted salvation via sacraments, invoking the incarnational principle of Christ Himself..spirit working through matter.

Can we lose our salvation? The Catholic view is that of an affirmative. We can lose sanctifying grace when we continue to dwell and abide in sin. More of the Arminian view, in this aspect. Yes, on God's part, nothing can separate us from His love, His grace is sufficient. On our part, we have to appropriate that gift. And continue to strive in that calling as believers.
 
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