4th Century St.Augustine Exposes Ape-To-Man Hoax.

[Strathos]

In fact, that almost happened. If I recall correctly, Darwin sat on his findings, right until he learned someone else was about to publish similar conclusions.

Alfred Russel Wallace. Funny how you never hear creationists ranting about him.

 

[lasthero]

Alfred Russel Wallace. Funny how you never hear creationists ranting about him.

In some alternate universe, Darwin choked on a peanut, died, and we’re discussing ‘Wallacism’.

Doesn’t have the same ring to it.

 

[HitchSlap]

In fact, that almost happened. If I recall correctly, Darwin sat on his findings, right until he learned someone else was about to publish similar conclusions.

Correct. Interestingly enough, Wallace contacted Darwin and gave him a heads up since he knew Darwin had done so much work and didn’t want it to appear as if he was trying to swoop in. Props to Wallace.

 

[Brightmoon]

Props to Darwin since he didn’t use his social class to bogart Wallace’s Information.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So now you think man is a knuckle draging, tree dwelling ape?

This shows very poor observation and/or reasoning skills... Man is an intelligent, upright, bipedal, house-dwelling ape.

 

[Job 33:6]

About the same when you relate it to average body size.
Remember that a large brain can not be confused with cognitive ability....

The somewhat go together, but it's not like on necessitates the other.



Homo Habilis lived close to 2 million years before both neanderthals and homo sapiens and its cranial capacity is a lot smaller. As expected.



I'm not a paleontologist, so I don't know.

I'ld guess something along the lines of them not having a habbit of living in environments that facilitate fossilization. Humans on the other hand, like settling near shallow waters, rivers, lakes, etc. And they travel / migrate more whereas chimps tend to stay in their habitat. That's my educated guess, which could certainly be wrong.

Perhaps someone like @KomatiiteBIF can give us a more informed explanation?

Yup, the fossil succession in the recent 5 million years is continually being placed together.

Its easy to put together lineages that span tens of millions of years. But in the case of our recent history, we have hundreds of hominid fossils and non-human fossils and in-between fossils. DNA sequencing gives us a clear picture of how we and other great apes diverged, and its just a matter of us now looking at the fossils, and our ability to recognize what is more chimp like, more gorilla like, more orangutan like, more human like etc.

And as someone mentioned earlier, because Lucy has a handfull of morphological traits suggesting upright locomotion, suggesting lucy as a chimpanzee ancestor, seems unreasonable as chimps do not walk upright today.

With time, each lineage will continue to be populated with fossils, and things will continue to become more clear.

 

[mark kennedy]

Lucy and Taung child are both Australopithecus which mean they aren’t in the chimp lineage as they both walk upright

So it's more likely their cranial capacity doubles over night the that they were originally bipedal?

 

[mark kennedy]

This shows very poor observation and/or reasoning skills... Man is an intelligent, upright, bipedal, house-dwelling ape.

Yet we sent a chimpanzee into space while theie accomplishments amount to using rocks to open pistachios and sticks to eat termites, equivocate much?

 

[FEZZILLA]

There are no ape-man fossils. They are either all ape, all human, or fossil forgeries. One would think that learning that there is a ape man mythology would wake atheists up. But as usual atheists embrace all religions except Christianity or Judaism.

 

[Speedwell]

There are no ape-man fossils. They are either all ape, all human, or fossil forgeries. One would think that learning that there is a ape man mythology would wake atheists up. But as usual atheists embrace all religions except Christianity or Judaism.

They're all apes. Including the humans.

 

[pitabread]

There are no ape-man fossils. They are either all ape, all human, or fossil forgeries.

Creationists may say this, but they can't seem to agree on which are which.

 

[Shemjaza]

There are no ape-man fossils. They are either all ape, all human, or fossil forgeries. One would think that learning that there is a ape man mythology would wake atheists up. But as usual atheists embrace all religions except Christianity or Judaism.

Dishonest and obnoxious. You should be ashamed.

 

[mark kennedy]

There are no ape-man fossils. They are either all ape, all human, or fossil forgeries. One would think that learning that there is a ape man mythology would wake atheists up. But as usual atheists embrace all religions except Christianity or Judaism.

The stome age never happened,

There are no ape-man fossils. They are either all ape, all human, or fossil forgeries. One would think that learning that there is a ape man mythology would wake atheists up. But as usual atheists embrace all religions except Christianity or Judaism.

They don't base it on fossils, it's based on supposed tools. They look loke grudges and Louis Leaky found a number of them. Lowering the cranial capacity to include arthropod apes and you have the perfect replacement for the Piltdown hoax. If you notice Darwinians don't like talking about the fossils, it's where they are most vulnerable.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But we do have chimpanzee skulls, Lucy and the Taung Child. That was a few teeth BTW.

Those aren't chimps.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The goal posts don't change, it's whether of not the human brain could have evolved from that of apes.

All the evidence suggests it did.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So it's more likely their cranial capacity doubles over night the that they were originally bipedal?

2 million years, is not "overnight".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yet we sent a chimpanzee into space while theie accomplishments amount to using rocks to open pistachios and sticks to eat termites, equivocate much?

The truth is that objectively, chimps aren't that far "behind" us.

You like pointing to space travel because it sounds impressive.
The truth is, that anatomically and cognitively, we are as good as identical as our distant cave dwelling ancestors who figured out how to create a fire and that's about it for the technological advancement.

If you would go back in time 100.000 years, grab a baby from some nomadic tribe and transport it into the 21st century and subsequently raise that baby as if it was a 21st century baby, it will grow up speaking english and doing all the same things we do every day.

(S)he would simply blend into the crowd.


If you compare a homo sapiens from 70k years ago to a chimp... that already paints a very different picture, wouldn't you say?

And don't forget, that there is some 7 million years of evolutionary divergence there between humans and chimps as well.

Sure there is a difference. It's not as big as people like to claim it is. In fact, a lot of cognitive and mental properties that people have long seen as "human only", are in fact not "human only" at all. Chimps have them too. And not just chimps. We share a lot of such traits / properties with all the Great Apes.

 

[mark kennedy]

The truth is that objectively, chimps aren't that far "behind" us.

You like pointing to space travel because it sounds impressive.
The truth is, that anatomically and cognitively, we are as good as identical as our distant cave dwelling ancestors who figured out how to create a fire and that's about it for the technological advancement.

If you would go back in time 100.000 years, grab a baby from some nomadic tribe and transport it into the 21st century and subsequently raise that baby as if it was a 21st century baby, it will grow up speaking english and doing all the same things we do every day.

(S)he would simply blend into the crowd.


If you compare a homo sapiens from 70k years ago to a chimp... that already paints a very different picture, wouldn't you say?

And don't forget, that there is some 7 million years of evolutionary divergence there between humans and chimps as well.

Sure there is a difference. It's not as big as people like to claim it is. In fact, a lot of cognitive and mental properties that people have long seen as "human only", are in fact not "human only" at all. Chimps have them too. And not just chimps. We share a lot of such traits / properties with all the Great Apes.

The facts are evident and onvious. Go back between 3 mya you have a small brained, goeeilla loke skull with a sagittal crest, a skull that is unique to gorrillas. Twomillion years go a gracial skull just over 500 cc tops. 1.9 mya Turkana boy comes along with 100% anatomivally human. With a cranial capacity just under 1000 cc. From then on the Homo erectus are within human variation. Do upu know what you get from mutation effecting the human brain, disrasr, disorder and death. The differences are profound, humans have never speciated once, gorrias have at least once and chimpazees once maybe more.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yet we sent a chimpanzee into space while theie accomplishments amount to using rocks to open pistachios and sticks to eat termites, equivocate much?

Nope.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Dishonest and obnoxious. You should be ashamed.

It may just be plain ignorance...