3rd Temple coming soon..

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shturt678s said in post 802:

We're almost at the end of the 1,000 years, and you're looking into the future for some "Millennial" novelty?

Note that there are at least 8 different scriptural reasons for reading the 1,000 years of Revelation 20:2-6 as not beginning until after Jesus' (never fulfilled) 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7-21.

First, this is in accord with how the rest of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are in chronological order, insofar as the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will begin with the events of the 2nd through 6th seals, occurring in the order shown in Revelation 6:3-14. After the events of the 6th seal, Revelation 7 will occur. Then the 7th seal will be unsealed and out of it will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-6). Then the events of the first 6 trumpets in Revelation 8:7 to Revelation 9:21 will occur in the order shown there. Then Revelation 10 will occur. Then the literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign will occur, which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

Then the 7th trumpet will sound, announcing the legal end of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:15). Out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the 7 plagues of the 7 vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the tribulation's final stage. Then the events of the 7 vials will occur in the order shown in Revelation 16. Jesus will return right after the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), and he will marry the church at that time (Revelation 19:7). Then he will defeat the armies of the world (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3), and reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected or changed church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). Then the events of Revelation 20:7 to Revelation 22:5 will occur in the order shown there.

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Second, the 1,000 years in Revelation 20:2-6 is when Satan will be literally bound with a chain, and cast into and locked within the literal bottomless pit, whereas currently he's walking about freely on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet. But their beginning after Jesus' 2nd coming makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Third, during the 1,000 years, Satan won't be able to deceive the world (Revelation 20:3), whereas currently he is able to deceive the world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Corinthians 11:3,14,15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 13:14, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet.

Fourth, the defeat of Satan in Revelation 20:1-3 is in chronological accord with the immediately preceding defeat of the Antichrist (the individual man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet, and the world's armies, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:19-21). Indeed, there's no chapter break between Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 in the original Greek manuscripts, so that Revelation 19:19 to 20:3 can be taken together as a unit, showing how every power of evil will be defeated at Jesus' 2nd coming.

Fifth, reading Revelation 20:4-6 as Jesus and the bodily resurrected church reigning first on the present (not the new) earth after his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches Jesus reigning first on the present (not the new) earth after his 2nd coming in Zechariah 14:3-21. For Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the new earth, because it refers to a temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21), whereas there will be no temple building in New Jerusalem on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Also, Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the new earth because it refers to surviving unsaved people from the present earth being forced to come up to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19), whereas by the time of the new earth, all the unsaved people from the present earth will have already been cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15 to 21:8).

Sixth, reading the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches other verses which show that the bodily resurrection of the church will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

Seventh, reading the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming is in line with Revelation 20:5, which must refer in its entirety to only bodily resurrection. For not every dead person is going to be figuratively resurrected in the sense of becoming saved (Revelation 20:15). And Revelation 20:5 means that the rest of the dead (i.e. all the non-church dead of all times) will be resurrected in the same manner that the church will be resurrected in Revelation 20:4-6, but the rest of the dead won't be resurrected until sometime after the 1,000 years are over.

Eighth, reading the first resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming is in line with Revelation 20:4, which shows that the people in the first resurrection will include those in the church who will have been beheaded by the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) for not worshipping him or his image, or receiving his mark on their hand or forehead. This refers back to the details of Revelation 13:4-18, which have never been fulfilled. So the first resurrection can't have happened yet. But its occurring at Jesus' 2nd coming, when he will defeat the Antichrist, makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:20 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9).

 

[shturt678s]

What is happening at the beginning of 1,000 years (Rev.20:1, etc.) that began at the Cross running till where we are at today, ie, Rev.20:7 where we are on the verge of Satan being personally loosed.

Rev.20:1, etc. introductory: We now have the last signified vision (Rev.1:1, "signified") of that battle (Rev.19:11, etc.) in Rev.20:7-10, that feature of it which centers about the dragon, about Satan himself, shedding more light synchronously on Rev.12:7, etc. at the Cross. Michael here in Rev.20:1 as Michael in 12:7, etc., ie, visions synchronous.

What the three synchronous battle scenes (Rev.12:7, etc.; 19:11, etc,; and 20:7-10) really signify (Rev.1:1, "signify") is fully brought out in vs.11-15. This portrays the Final Judgment (keeping in mind one is already judged upon each one's passing) which is now described in its reality. Then follows 21:1, etc.

Jack' view

btw rendering "Sanctuary" <Young's, 1888 or so, Analytical Concordance> at Rev.11:1 purging "Temple" partly unveils Rev.'s truer interpretation.

 

[iamlamad]

What is happening at the beginning of 1,000 years (Rev.20:1, etc.) that began at the Cross running till where we are at today, ie, Rev.20:7 where we are on the verge of Satan being personally loosed.

Rev.20:1, etc. introductory: We now have the last signified vision (Rev.1:1, "signified") of that battle (Rev.19:11, etc.) in Rev.20:7-10, that feature of it which centers about the dragon, about Satan himself, shedding more light synchronously on Rev.12:7, etc. at the Cross. Michael here in Rev.20:1 as Michael in 12:7, etc., ie, visions synchronous.

What the three synchronous battle scenes (Rev.12:7, etc.; 19:11, etc,; and 20:7-10) really signify (Rev.1:1, "signify") is fully brought out in vs.11-15. This portrays the Final Judgment (keeping in mind one is already judged upon each one's passing) which is now described in its reality. Then follows 21:1, etc.

Jack' view

btw rendering "Sanctuary" <Young's, 1888 or so, Analytical Concordance> at Rev.11:1 purging "Temple" partly unveils Rev.'s truer interpretation.

Readers beware: most of this is MYTH.

BEFORE Satan is bound for 1000 years,
..........Jesus returns to earth where EVERY EYE SEES HIM.
..........CLEARLY this has never happened.

BEFORE Jesus returns to earth where every eye sees Him,
..........He is with His Bride in heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb.

BEFORE the marriage supper of the Lamb,
.........the marriage takes place...all in HEAVEN of course as John shows us.
.........OF COURSE the bride must be in heaven for the marriage.

BEFORE the marriage can take place,
......... the Old Testament saints must rise (7th vial) that ends the week.

BEFORE the 7th vial can be poured out,
..........all the first 6 must be poured out.

BEFORE any of the vials can be poured out,
..........the Kingdoms of the world must be transferred to JESUS the KING.
..........which happens at the 7th trumpet.

BEFORE the 7th trumpet can be sounded,
..........all 6 of the first trumpets must be sounded.

BEFORE any of the trumpets can be sounded,
..........the 7th seal MUST BE broken on the scroll so it can be unrolled.

BEFORE the 7th seal can be broken,
..........the 6th seal must be broken, which will be the SIGNS (not yet seen) ..........for the start of the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel.

Readers, we are WAITING on the rapture of the Bride which will BEGIN all of the above. Paul's rapture is the TRIGGER. Readers, this is the TRUTH of the word of God, rightly divided.

The parable of the tares will probably come the moment Jesus descends on the white horse. Then will be the "one taken and one left behind," where the one taken is reminded of VULTURES (eagles). These lawless ones are taken and thrown straight into hell. My guess is, the spirit is taken and the body falls dead, but it could be the entire person.

The gathering seen at the Olivet discourse will probably be Jesus bring all Jews BACK TO ISRAEL as He promised. They will be gathered from heaven and earth. Paul's rapture gathers ONLY from UNDER the earth and ON the earth. (The spirits of those dead in Christ that Jesus brings with Him are not included in Paul's "gathering.") His gathering is the dead in christ just risen gathering WITH those who are alive and remain.

LAMAD

 

[Interplanner]

Lamad wrote:
BEFORE the marriage can take place,
......... the Old Testament saints must rise (7th vial) that ends the week.

How do you know this is not Mt 27?

BEFORE any of the vials can be poured out,
..........the Kingdoms of the world must be transferred to JESUS the KING.
..........which happens at the 7th trumpet.

How do you know this is not the enthronement mentioned in Acts 2, 3, 5?

BEFORE the 7th seal can be broken,
..........the 6th seal must be broken, which will be the SIGNS (not yet seen) ..........for the start of the Day of the Lord and the 70th week of Daniel.

How do insert X000 years between 69 and 70 when all the others are normal and he even changed counting systems at 7 himself?

 

[shturt678s]

Let's shed a little more light with Rev.20: Because Rev.20:7-15 bring us to the end, ie, real "1" ending, when time shall be no more (Rev.10:6), and because the vision now throws the light upon the author of all antichristianity and upon the manner of his end, therefore the two scenes in Rev.20:7-10 and in vs.11-15 are preceded by the two scenes in vs.1-3 and in vs.4-6; and vs.7-15 is not made to follow immediately upon Rev.19:11-21.

Behind the scenes,

Jack

 

[iamlamad]

Let's shed a little more light with Rev.20: Because Rev.20:7-15 bring us to the end, ie, real "1" ending, when time shall be no more (Rev.10:6), and because the vision now throws the light upon the author of all antichristianity and upon the manner of his end, therefore the two scenes in Rev.20:7-10 and in vs.11-15 are preceded by the two scenes in vs.1-3 and in vs.4-6; and vs.7-15 is not made to follow immediately upon Rev.19:11-21.

Behind the scenes,

Jack

"time shall be no more" is really a bad translation. There IS time after this point. Modern translations have "There shall be no more delay of time."

I take this to mean, once the 7th trumpet sounds, one millennium ends and another begins, Satan's time as god of this world ends, the Kingdoms are transferred to Jesus, THEN God will pour out the vials of His wrath to end the reign of man on earth, and usher in the reign of Christ on earth.

As for your timing......why change what is written?

Verses:
1-3: Satan is bound for a thousand years
4: view of God's people reigning as judges (1st resurrection is for saints)
5: Sinners not resurrected until 1000 years are over
6: 1st resurrection people reign with Christ for 1000 years.
7: Satan loosed at the end of the 1000 years
8: Satan goes out to deceive
9: those Satan has deceived are destroyed
10: devil cast into lake of fire where Beast and False prophet are
11-15: great white throne judgment

I see NOTHING out of order, except perhaps one phrase "This is the first resurrection" in verse 5.

LAMAD

 

[shturt678s]

"time shall be no more" is really a bad translation. There IS time after this point. Modern translations have "There shall be no more delay of time."

I take this to mean, once the 7th trumpet sounds, one millennium ends and another begins, Satan's time as god of this world ends, the Kingdoms are transferred to Jesus, THEN God will pour out the vials of His wrath to end the reign of man on earth, and usher in the reign of Christ on earth.

As for your timing......why change what is written?

Verses:
1-3: Satan is bound for a thousand years

The irony, ie, you project this off to some furture time like the Jesuit Ribera did in his Commentary back in 1600 where I say we're towards the end of the 1,000 years like over 1200 years of church history supports, ie, non-Jesuit.

4: view of God's people reigning as judges (1st resurrection is for saints)
5: Sinners not resurrected until 1000 years are over
6: 1st resurrection people reign with Christ for 1000 years.
7: Satan loosed at the end of the 1000 years
8: Satan goes out to deceive
9: those Satan has deceived are destroyed
10: devil cast into lake of fire where Beast and False prophet are
11-15: great white throne judgment

I see NOTHING out of order, except perhaps one phrase "This is the first resurrection" in verse 5.

LAMAD

Rev.20 again. The 1,000 years cover the whole period from Rev.12:6-20:6, from the appearance of Satan as the dragon (12:3) to his final judgment (20:7-10). Note the full import of hsi four names in 12:7 and the same four names in 20:2.

These non-Jesuit 1,000 years thus extend from the Incarnation, and the Enthronement of the Son (12:5) to Satan's final plunge into hell (20:10), which is the entire N.T. period. The first vision (vs.1-3) reveals in brief the state of the dragon during during this N.T. period.

Just ol' Jack

btw have nothing against the RCC's Jesuits nor those that follow their Commentary

 

[iamlamad]

The irony, ie, you project this off to some furture time like the Jesuit Ribera did in his Commentary back in 1600 where I say we're towards the end of the 1,000 years like over 1200 years of church history supports, ie, non-Jesuit.



Rev.20 again. The 1,000 years cover the whole period from Rev.12:6-20:6, from the appearance of Satan as the dragon (12:3) to his final judgment (20:7-10). Note the full import of hsi four names in 12:7 and the same four names in 20:2.

These non-Jesuit 1,000 years thus extend from the Incarnation, and the Enthronement of the Son (12:5) to Satan's final plunge into hell (20:10), which is the entire N.T. period. The first vision (vs.1-3) reveals in brief the state of the dragon during during this N.T. period.

Just ol' Jack

btw have nothing against the RCC's Jesuits nor those that follow their Commentary

Just ol' Jack, I have given you credit for having some "common sense."


Please note:

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:

CAn you find a time - ANY TIME - since the days of Adam that Satan has NOT "deceived the nations?" Yet this verse tells us that when he is cast into the pit, he will NOT deceive the nations. Jack, this one fact alone should tell you this is FUTURE. There has NEVER been a time since Adam that Satan has been bound.

Did you totally miss the point of my last post? Revelation is written much like a history book, but about the future. It is LINEAR. Revelation CANNOT come until all that we find between chapters 6-19 have taken place. Take off your preconceived glasses and try again. You are MISSING the Author's intent of this entire book. WE are now between the 5th and 6th seals. SOON the 6th seal will be broken and the signs for the start of the DAY will come. Then the chapters of Revelation will take place, one after the other IN THE SAME ORDER God gave the visions and John wrote. Once chapters 6 throught 19 are wrapped up and accomplished, THEN, and only then will Satan be bound.

Always remember, 12:6 is the exact MIDPOINT of the week. But from there to the end - to chapter 16 will be ONLY 3 1/2 years. (no where near 1000!)

But, congratulations on one point, the change in millennials DOES come at the midpoint, and the 7th trumpet. It will change from the one WE are in to the next. It has been almost 6000 years now since Adam's fall.

LAMAD

 

[shturt678s]

Just ol' Jack, I have given you credit for having some "common sense."


Please note:

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled:

CAn you find a time - ANY TIME - since the days of Adam that Satan has NOT "deceived the nations?" Yet this verse tells us that when he is cast into the pit, he will NOT deceive the nations.

Satan in his person (personification due to he isn't a person) cannot deceive the nations. He has to deceive through his agencies, eg, Rev.13's beasts.

Rev.20:3 Scripture speaks about only one binding of Satan that interfered most decisively with his deceiving the nations. Lk.11:21, 22: "When a strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are in peace: but when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him his whole armor wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils." I wonder if this has anything to do with the "Son of man"?

Compare Isa.53:12 and better yet Col.2:15: "Having spoiled principalities and power, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it." IJn.3:8: "For this purpose the Son of man was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." Oh, this was the Son of man.

This is the binding of Satan in his person that is here symbolized my friend that cares where most could care less. It's in part, and for a different purpose (namely as regards the woman and the continuous existence of the Church in spite of the devil) sybolized already in Rev.12:7-17.

It took place when Jesus cried triumphantly on the Cross: "It has been finished!" and when He sat down at the right hand of God.

Jack, this one fact alone should tell you this is FUTURE. There has NEVER been a time since Adam that Satan has been bound.

Did you totally miss the point of my last post? Revelation is written much like a history book, but about the future. It is LINEAR. Revelation CANNOT come until all that we find between chapters 6-19 have taken place. Take off your preconceived glasses and try again. You are MISSING the Author's intent of this entire book. WE are now between the 5th and 6th seals. SOON the 6th seal will be broken and the signs for the start of the DAY will come. Then the chapters of Revelation will take place, one after the other IN THE SAME ORDER God gave the visions and John wrote. Once chapters 6 throught 19 are wrapped up and accomplished, THEN, and only then will Satan be bound.

Always remember, 12:6 is the exact MIDPOINT of the week. But from there to the end - to chapter 16 will be ONLY 3 1/2 years. (no where near 1000!)

But, congratulations on one point, the change in millennials DOES come at the midpoint, and the 7th trumpet. It will change from the one WE are in to the next. It has been almost 6000 years now since Adam's fall.

LAMAD

Most could care less, ie, you care what Jesus fully did at the Cross, ie, Great! At least you're trying.

The ol' rugged Cross, ie, let's not project the Cross to some future time?

Jack

 

[iamlamad]

Satan in his person (personification due to he isn't a person) cannot deceive the nations. He has to deceive through his agencies, eg, Rev.13's beasts.

Rev.20:3 Scripture speaks about only one binding of Satan that interfered most decisively with his deceiving the nations. Lk.11:21, 22: "When a strong man fully armed guardeth his own court, his goods are in peace: but when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him his whole armor wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils." I wonder if this has anything to do with the "Son of man"?

Compare Isa.53:12 and better yet Col.2:15: "Having spoiled principalities and power, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it." IJn.3:8: "For this purpose the Son of man was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." Oh, this was the Son of man.

This is the binding of Satan in his person that is here symbolized my friend that cares where most could care less. It's in part, and for a different purpose (namely as regards the woman and the continuous existence of the Church in spite of the devil) sybolized already in Rev.12:7-17.

It took place when Jesus cried triumphantly on the Cross: "It has been finished!" and when He sat down at the right hand of God.



Most could care less, ie, you care what Jesus fully did at the Cross, ie, Great! At least you're trying.

The ol' rugged Cross, ie, let's not project the Cross to some future time?

Jack

Once again, Jack, a 5th grader would have got this one, because they would read it without trying to over analyze it. The point John was making is that for the 1000 years THERE WOULD BE NO DECEIVING OF NATIONS. NO NATIONS and NO PEOPLE would be deceived.

Yet, you have replace the real meaning with the nations ARE deceived by Satan's minions. WRONG!

In fact, you have missed the ENTIRE meaning; Jesus is coming back. We see that in Rev. 19. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. EVERY EYE HAS NOT SEEN HIM! The battle of Armageddon is FUTURE.

WHEN He comes, He will STAY and rule the world for 1000 years. The curse will be lifted off the earth. A lamb will lay down with a lion. A child will play with a snake. NO MORE CURSE. Included in that will be NO MORE SATAN or any of his demons troubling people. When Satan is locked up, so are all his devils. Earth on the surface will be a DEMON FREE zone! It will be like heaven only ON EARTH. And it will be this way for 1000 years.

It seems you just cannot believe what is so plainly written, so you must change the normal reading of words into something else. Find a 5th grader and let him read it for you, then ask him what it means. You will be FAR CLOSER to the truth than what you have come to.

AGain you MISSED IT! There is no symbolizing! When the 7th trumpet sounds, Michael (probably with many other angels) will drive Satan down from the "spiritual wickedness in high places" the 1st and 2nd heavens down to earth. This is LITERAL. You might say his wings will be clipped. He will be forced to STAY on the earth.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


Notice here, when Satan is cast down, HIS DEMONS area cast down with him. Note also he deceives the whole world (at this time). It is understood without words that from this point on he will NO LONGER be able to accuse us before God.


So from the midpoint of the FUTURE 70th week, he will be confined to walking the earth. So WOE to those on the earth.


It seems to me that PHD's replace common sense with nonsense. How is it you can read what I read and come up with something SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT that the Author intended? This book is a REVEALING, not a deceiving or hiding. It is not meant to be difficult. One can probably get 99% of the Author's intended meaning as a slow reader, with NO KNOWLEDGE whatsoever that this was translated from Greek, just reading the text in English and believing what is read.



LAMAD shaking my head in wonder

 

[parousia70]

CAn you find a time - ANY TIME - since the days of Adam that Satan has NOT "deceived the nations?"
LAMAD

The better question would be, Can you point to a time since Christ's incarnation that entire nations have been deceived by Satan?

The Moment that the Gospel was freed to go to the gentiles, entire nations could no longer be deceived by Satan, and any individual from any nation was and is still FREE to enter into a saving covenant relationship with the one true living God.

Prior to that point, of course, Israel alone was the only nation with a covenant relationship with God... and all other nations, in their entirety, were deceived by Satan.

Satan today is POWERLESS to prevent any individual... or any NATION for that matter, from turning freely to Christ for salvation.

 

[shturt678s]

Once again, Jack, a 5th grader would have got this one, because they would read it without trying to over analyze it. The point John was making is that for the 1000 years THERE WOULD BE NO DECEIVING OF NATIONS. NO NATIONS and NO PEOPLE would be deceived.

Yet, you have replace the real meaning with the nations ARE deceived by Satan's minions. WRONG!

In fact, you have missed the ENTIRE meaning; Jesus is coming back. We see that in Rev. 19. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. EVERY EYE HAS NOT SEEN HIM! The battle of Armageddon is FUTURE.

WHEN He comes, He will STAY and rule the world for 1000 years. The curse will be lifted off the earth. A lamb will lay down with a lion. A child will play with a snake. NO MORE CURSE. Included in that will be NO MORE SATAN or any of his demons troubling people. When Satan is locked up, so are all his devils. Earth on the surface will be a DEMON FREE zone! It will be like heaven only ON EARTH. And it will be this way for 1000 years.

It seems you just cannot believe what is so plainly written, so you must change the normal reading of words into something else. Find a 5th grader and let him read it for you, then ask him what it means. You will be FAR CLOSER to the truth than what you have come to.

AGain you MISSED IT! There is no symbolizing! When the 7th trumpet sounds, Michael (probably with many other angels) will drive Satan down from the "spiritual wickedness in high places" the 1st and 2nd heavens down to earth. This is LITERAL. You might say his wings will be clipped. He will be forced to STAY on the earth.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


Notice here, when Satan is cast down, HIS DEMONS area cast down with him. Note also he deceives the whole world (at this time). It is understood without words that from this point on he will NO LONGER be able to accuse us before God.


So from the midpoint of the FUTURE 70th week, he will be confined to walking the earth. So WOE to those on the earth.


It seems to me that PHD's replace common sense with nonsense. How is it you can read what I read and come up with something SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT that the Author intended? This book is a REVEALING, not a deceiving or hiding. It is not meant to be difficult. One can probably get 99% of the Author's intended meaning as a slow reader, with NO KNOWLEDGE whatsoever that this was translated from Greek, just reading the text in English and believing what is read.



LAMAD shaking my head in wonder

Let's bring it down to a 7th graders level, o.k.?

Rev.20:3 Let's relook at this binding of Satan symbolized again, ie, in reference to "the nations." This reference to "deceiving the nations" must be understood in connection with the symbolism of the two beasts, and the harlot my true friend that does care.

Where is the dragon in those visions Lamad? We have a clear answer in Rev.20:1-3. Who does the deceiving during the 1,000 years Lamad? the second beast, the pseudo-prophet serving the first beast. Not Satan himself. So states Rev.13:14 and 19:20.

The first beast = the whole antichristan power in the world; the second beast, the whole antichristian propaganda in the world. What about the harlot Lamad, the whole antichristian seduction in the world.

Old Jack's opinion,

btw you're catching on, ie, although it only means a lol with you, and not that I have the Truth; however you did mention PHD - I did excell long ago academically way beyond my peers at that time. Didn't think you would catch it - again, only means a lol with you who does really care.

 

[SG9]

Let's bring it down to a 7th graders level, o.k.?

Rev.20:3 Let's relook at this binding of Satan symbolized again, ie, in reference to "the nations." This reference to "deceiving the nations" must be understood in connection with the symbolism of the two beasts, and the harlot my true friend that does care.

Where is the dragon in those visions Lamad? We have a clear answer in Rev.20:1-3. Who does the deceiving during the 1,000 years Lamad? the second beast, the pseudo-prophet serving the first beast. Not Satan himself. So states Rev.13:14 and 19:20.

The first beast = the whole antichristan power in the world; the second beast, the whole antichristian propaganda in the world. What about the harlot Lamad, the whole antichristian seduction in the world.

Old Jack's opinion,

btw you're catching on, ie, although it only means a lol with you, and not that I have the Truth; however you did mention PHD - I did excell long ago academically way beyond my peers at that time. Didn't think you would catch it - again, only means a lol with you who does really care.

Satan was cast down and bound here on earth when the Twin Towers burned down. Neither are Satan's offspring able to traverse the heavens as they once did with Satan, their father of lies. Satan and his offspring are now confused because of the binding, which causes blinding of the eyes, and none of them know the Truth nor will recognize it before they receive their rewards for their deeds, and then all will know who God is.

God's Bosom/Womb is closing up after the casting down and Eternity is to follow when time is swallowed up along with all of mans traditions of also keeping time because they have escaped Eternity. You must understand the Time shift paradigm and the reason for it to see the truth. Time is man's invention to survive apart from God, and to hold open His Bosom so to traverse the Heavens like Satan has them well. Man then has to "count" all things because of his fall to a dialectic mindset, it's irreversible without the True knowledge of God planted in a New Mind that the believers will receive as their inheritance. Thanks

 

[shturt678s]

Satan was cast down and bound here on earth when the Twin Towers burned down. Neither are Satan's offspring able to traverse the heavens as they once did with Satan, their father of lies. Satan and his offspring are now confused because of the binding, which causes blinding of the eyes, and none of them know the Truth nor will recognize it before they receive their rewards for their deeds, and then all will know who God is.

God's Bosom/Womb is closing up after the casting down and Eternity is to follow when time is swallowed up along with all of mans traditions of also keeping time because they have escaped Eternity. You must understand the Time shift paradigm and the reason for it to see the truth. Time is man's invention to survive apart from God, and to hold open His Bosom so to traverse the Heavens like Satan has them well. Man then has to "count" all things because of his fall to a dialectic mindset, it's irreversible without the True knowledge of God planted in a New Mind that the believers will receive as their inheritance. Thanks

All those that have bumped into the Truth, ie, not me - I don't have it, and didn't or doesn't embrace it are a part of the problem, eg, the Twin Towers were a notable effect for sure of IIThess.2:11, 12 and higher level demons in Rev. chapter 9 today.

Have no idea what is going on in Truth is again being a part of the problem, and not a part of the solution.

Just ol' old head's up Jack

 

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[shturt678s]

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fro example: As long as no one on this thread has the Truth, ie, the actual Truth, all will be o.k., and we can just kick things around as we're doing; however if someone has that Truth, and rejected, oh oh, going to be a forever problem.

Thank you again,

Jack's opinion

 

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fro example: As long as no one on this thread has the Truth, ie, the actual Truth, all will be o.k., and we can just kick things around as we're doing; however if someone has that Truth, and rejected, oh oh, going to be a forever problem.

Thank you again,

Jack's opinion

Good point, Jack, and thanks for giving this clarity. Yikes!
And, I gather that what ever does come will be only the beginning of knowledge, which means a race of highly intelligent beings progressively learning more of our Creator God and Father. There's things to learn that no man of our generation, at least has known, nor has experienced from the Creation of man. God wants us to search Him, and we don't need the Internet to do it, neither, Lol Thanks

 

[shturt678s]

Good point, Jack, and thanks for giving this clarity. Yikes!
And, I gather that what ever does come will be only the beginning of knowledge, which means a race of highly intelligent beings progressively learning more of our Creator God and Father. There's things to learn that no man of our generation, at least has known, nor has experienced from the Creation of man. God wants us to search Him, and we don't need the Internet to do it, neither, Lol Thanks

I think it has more to do with Matt.6:33 and becoming like a little child kind of thing, however thankyou!

Don't be concerned about me having it, ie, I don't :o

 

[iamlamad]

The better question would be, Can you point to a time since Christ's incarnation that entire nations have been deceived by Satan?

The Moment that the Gospel was freed to go to the gentiles, entire nations could no longer be deceived by Satan, and any individual from any nation was and is still FREE to enter into a saving covenant relationship with the one true living God.

Prior to that point, of course, Israel alone was the only nation with a covenant relationship with God... and all other nations, in their entirety, were deceived by Satan.

Satan today is POWERLESS to prevent any individual... or any NATION for that matter, from turning freely to Christ for salvation.

NATIONS are made up of PEOPLE. in John's case, "nations" came from the Greek Ethnos:

Transliteration ethnos

Vine's Expository Dictionary:

1. a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living together
a. a company, troop, swarm
2. a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus
a. the human family
3. a tribe, nation, people group
4. in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
5. Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

So we are talking about PEOPLE. Now, look what John wrote:

Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

We clarify this with another verse that said the entire world would be deceived - all except those with their names written in heaven.

And again:

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


So during the FUTURE 70th week, he deceived all nations. But after he is locked up in the bottomless pit, he will deceive NO MORE until 1000 years are finished.

Btw, Satan's method of preventing people from coming to Christ for salvation is to BLIND THEM to the truth of the gospel. As long as he is keeps someone blinded, he had deceived them.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

Let's bring it down to a 7th graders level, o.k.?

Rev.20:3 Let's relook at this binding of Satan symbolized again, ie, in reference to "the nations." This reference to "deceiving the nations" must be understood in connection with the symbolism of the two beasts, and the harlot my true friend that does care.

Where is the dragon in those visions Lamad? We have a clear answer in Rev.20:1-3. Who does the deceiving during the 1,000 years Lamad? the second beast, the pseudo-prophet serving the first beast. Not Satan himself. So states Rev.13:14 and 19:20.

The first beast = the whole antichristan power in the world; the second beast, the whole antichristian propaganda in the world. What about the harlot Lamad, the whole antichristian seduction in the world.

Old Jack's opinion,

btw you're catching on, ie, although it only means a lol with you, and not that I have the Truth; however you did mention PHD - I did excell long ago academically way beyond my peers at that time. Didn't think you would catch it - again, only means a lol with you who does really care.

YOu are lost in symbolism, my friend. Where or how can you prove this binding of satan is symbolic and not literal? It makes PERFECT SENSE taken literally, and there is no indication that it should NOT be taken literally.

During the 70th week, he deceived the ENTIRE WORLD - less those whose names are written in heaven. Then, when he will be bound, NO MORE DECEPTION. It makes PERFECT sense.

WHY does " This reference to "deceiving the nations" must be understood in connection with the symbolism of the two beasts, and the harlot?"

It is THROUGH the two beasts that he deceives the entire world. Is this your WHY? The "wh**e is a PLACE, so does not count in this discussion. (Jerusalem when the Beast and false prophet are deceiving the world from there.)

YOU did read where the Beast (the first one in chapter 13) and the false prophet (the second one in chapter 13) are cast into the lake of fire? This is a picture of TWO MEN being cast in, NOT TWO COMPLETE EMPIRES!

So this Beast in Rev. 13 is a KING with a kingdom. ONLY the king is thrown into the lake of fire. The dragon in POSSESSING the first beast. Did you not notice that the false prophet could do his false miracles ONLY when in close proximity to the Beast? That is because the devil, Satan, has possessed the Beast, and that is why he went from being the "man of sin" to a beast. This is also why John wrote that the beast would ascend out of the bottomless pit to become the 8th King. It is not a man that ascends, it is the devil Himself that ascends, but possesses the man of sin.

Who does the deceiving during the 1,000 years Lamad? the second beast, the pseudo-prophet serving the first beast. Not Satan himself. So states Rev.13:14 and 19:20.

NO NO NO! THERE IS NO DECEIVING DURING THIS COMING 1000 YEARS! And for the last 1000 the devil has NOT BEEN locked up. He is allowed into the 1st and 2nd heavens (powers in high places) and continually accuses the brethren. John saw the beast and false prophet rise in the vision, but WHEN? You have been blinded by preconceptions and have failed to see the entire FUTURE 70th week laid out clearly in Revelation, marked by the 7's. The 7th trumpet marks the EXACT MIDPOINT. 12:6 is perhaps ONE SECOND after the midpoint where the man of sin has said he is god, so those living in Judea will FLEE when they see it.

The first beast: the man of sin possessed by Satan. A MAN.
The second beast: the false prophet. A MAN

For the second beast, have you not heard of Maitraya? It is my guess he will become the false prophet.

You have TOTALLY MISSED who the "wh**e is. Please, read this 100 times and BELIEVE IT:

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The woman is the great city of Jerusalem...but ONLY while the entire world is being deceived by the Beast and False prophet from the temple in Jerusalem.

LAMAD