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[iamlamad]

Satan was cast down and bound here on earth when the Twin Towers burned down. Neither are Satan's offspring able to traverse the heavens as they once did with Satan, their father of lies. Satan and his offspring are now confused because of the binding, which causes blinding of the eyes, and none of them know the Truth nor will recognize it before they receive their rewards for their deeds, and then all will know who God is.

God's Bosom/Womb is closing up after the casting down and Eternity is to follow when time is swallowed up along with all of mans traditions of also keeping time because they have escaped Eternity. You must understand the Time shift paradigm and the reason for it to see the truth. Time is man's invention to survive apart from God, and to hold open His Bosom so to traverse the Heavens like Satan has them well. Man then has to "count" all things because of his fall to a dialectic mindset, it's irreversible without the True knowledge of God planted in a New Mind that the believers will receive as their inheritance. Thanks

TOTAL MYTH

LAMAD

 

[Bible2]

iamlamad said in post 840:

Where or how can you prove this binding of satan is symbolic and not literal? It makes PERFECT SENSE taken literally, and there is on indication that it should NOT be taken literally.

That's right.

The binding of Satan by an angel in Revelation 20:1-3, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3), will involve Satan being bound with a literal, spiritual chain, just as the bottomless pit, which at that time Satan will be cast down into and locked within, is a literal, spiritual place.

In Job 33:22, the original Hebrew word (shachath, H7845) translated as "the grave" can be translated as "the pit" (Job 33:28,30), meaning the extremely deep pit that is in hell/sheol (Isaiah 14:15, Psalms 30:3, Job 11:8), in the sides of which pit are the graves of the conscious souls of the unsaved dead (Isaiah 14:15,9,10, Ezekiel 32:21-23), who experience pain there (Psalms 116:3). This pit is in the "nether" (the lowermost, Hebrew: tachtiy, H8482) parts of the earth (Ezekiel 32:18-32, Psalms 63:9), and so it could reach down to the center of the earth (in the spiritual dimension). And it could continue past the center of the earth and continue on in a straight line up the other side of the earth almost to the surface, so that the pit is "bottomless" in that its lowest point is empty space at the center of the earth (in the spiritual dimension). Satan/Lucifer will be cast into this literal "bottomless pit" by an angel at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Isaiah 14:15,12).

The bottomless pit may have a physical manifestation as a deep underground cavern. The top of this cavern could be deep under the city of Abadan (in Iran), just as the bottomless pit is under the angel Abaddon (Revelation 9:11). At one point during the first half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10).

 

[Douggg]

So this Beast in Rev. 13 is a KING with a kingdom. ONLY the king is thrown into the lake of fire. The dragon in POSSESSING the first beast. Did you not notice that the false prophet could do his false miracles ONLY when in close proximity to the Beast? That is because the devil, Satan, has possessed the Beast, and that is why he went from being the "man of sin" to a beast. This is also why John wrote that the beast would ascend out of the bottomless pit to become the 8th King. It is not a man that ascends, it is the devil Himself that ascends, but possesses the man of sin.

Hi lamad, I agree with you that in Revelation 13 is a king with a kingdom. But I think your view that Satan possesses that king is wrong.

Here's why, Satan is not in the bottomless pit. The beast in the bottomless pit does not ascend out until 42 months are remaining before Jesus returns. Until then, the Antichrist as the 7th king rules from the beginning of the seven years until he is killed and comes back to life.

Which at time the possession will take place.

The proof that Satan is not the one to possess the Antichrist is in Revelation 16.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

So the beast and the dragon are actually separate individuals.

1. mouth of the dragon - Satan will be the deceptive life force in the Abomination of Desolation statue image of the Antichrist, that speaks and breaths, in Revelation 13:15, that will demand to be worshiped.

2. mouth of the beast - the Antichrist possessed by the unclean spirit of the former ancient person in the bottomless pit - Nimrod imo

3. mouth of the false prophet - the second beast in Revelation 13.

When Jesus returns, so that the prophecy in Ezekiel 28 of casting Satan down to earth for the kings of the earth to behold, the facade of the image will be melted away, and there will be Satan standing on the temple mount. Which one angel is going to descend and bind up Satan in chains. Words are inadequate to what that scene will be like.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Building a new temple on the temple mount (Mt Moriah) would be a colossal act of stupidity. And it would not be the fulfilment of Ezekiel's prophetic vision of a temple, nor would it fulfil any Christian prophecy from scripture.

 

[Douggg]

Building a new temple on the temple mount (Mt Moriah) would be a colossal act of stupidity. And it would not be the fulfilment of Ezekiel's prophetic vision of a temple, nor would it fulfil any Christian prophecy from scripture.

It won't be built by Christians or them in support of Christianity. But it will be built, although I agree it will not be the temple in Ezekiel.

 

[shturt678s]

Ezek.37:28, "sanctuary" miqdashe Not "Temple" hekal = Temple

The so wrongfully called "Temple," ie, "sanctuary," is even at this very moment is being built right before your very eyes, yet most are blind to this, ie, astonishing!

It must be rocket science after all?

Not even above my pay grade?

Jack

 

[iamlamad]

Hi lamad, I agree with you that in Revelation 13 is a king with a kingdom. But I think your view that Satan possesses that king is wrong.

Here's why, Satan is not in the bottomless pit. The beast in the bottomless pit does not ascend out until 42 months are remaining before Jesus returns. Until then, the Antichrist as the 7th king rules from the beginning of the seven years until he is killed and comes back to life.

Which at time the possession will take place.

The proof that Satan is not the one to possess the Antichrist is in Revelation 16.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

So the beast and the dragon are actually separate individuals.

1. mouth of the dragon - Satan will be the deceptive life force in the Abomination of Desolation statue image of the Antichrist, that speaks and breaths, in Revelation 13:15, that will demand to be worshiped.

2. mouth of the beast - the Antichrist possessed by the unclean spirit of the former ancient person in the bottomless pit - Nimrod imo

3. mouth of the false prophet - the second beast in Revelation 13.

When Jesus returns, so that the prophecy in Ezekiel 28 of casting Satan down to earth for the kings of the earth to behold, the facade of the image will be melted away, and there will be Satan standing on the temple mount. Which one angel is going to descend and bind up Satan in chains. Words are inadequate to what that scene will be like.

I have certainly meditated on that scripture. I still think it is Satan the dragon that does the possessing...but possession may be an in and out thing...Satan possesses him only when necessary. However, there may well be another ruler possessing him all the time. There has never been an account of a human spirit escaping from hell. We don't really know if the bottomless pit is a part of hell or another name for hell, or a totally separate place. We do know it was opened earlier in Revelation and apparently has stayed open.

Good post.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

Ezek.37:28, "sanctuary" miqdashe Not "Temple" hekal = Temple

The so wrongfully called "Temple," ie, "sanctuary," is even at this very moment is being built right before your very eyes, yet most are blind to this, ie, astonishing!

It must be rocket science after all?

Not even above my pay grade?

Jack

In EVERY Jewish temple or tabernacle there was the Holy of Holies or "sanctuary." Can you find a "sanctuary" anywhere by itself without a temple around it?

YOu seem to ignore the fact that this particular "sanctuary" has a man walk into it...and has John measuring it with a reed. It also had worshipers INSIDE it and an altar IN IT.

Oh! I know, this is all "symbolism" and means something different.

LAMAD

 

[iamlamad]

It won't be built by Christians or them in support of Christianity. But it will be built, although I agree it will not be the temple in Ezekiel.

You don't think it would fulfill the temple John was told to measure?
You don't think it would fulfill the temple the man of sin is to enter?

Lamad

 

[Interplanner]

I see B2 has come up with a new category: a literal, spiritual chain to bind Satan. It does make one pause!

 

[Douggg]

You don't think it would fulfill the temple John was told to measure?
You don't think it would fulfill the temple the man of sin is to enter?

Lamad

Yes, it is that future temple. That the man of sin will enter. But why measure it?

imo, it is because that temple will only be a minimal size. The tent tabernacle in the desert was about 15x30 feet. The court wall, a curtain, surrounding it, I don't know the dimensions off hand and would have to look it up.

Given the time element to build a minimal size temple, in order to get the daily sacrifices and temple ordinances implemented as soon as possible, it would not take very long to construct a stone temple version of the 15X30 feet tabernacle of the two chambers of the Holy Place and the most Holy Place.

 

[Interplanner]

Don't forget David's fallen tent. It's where he wrote many of the Psalms after God's own heart. It has been rebuilt, so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, who planned these things from of old, Acts 15 (Mic 5).

 

[Douggg]

I have certainly meditated on that scripture. I still think it is Satan the dragon that does the possessing...but possession may be an in and out thing...Satan possesses him only when necessary. However, there may well be another ruler possessing him all the time. There has never been an account of a human spirit escaping from hell. We don't really know if the bottomless pit is a part of hell or another name for hell, or a totally separate place. We do know it was opened earlier in Revelation and apparently has stayed open.

Good post.

LAMAD

Hi Lamad, I am going to absolutely agree with you that there will be at least one time that Satan will enter him.

The four stages to the Antichrist's career are:

1. little horn politician in Daniel 7 and 8.
2. the prince who shall come, false king messiah, temporarily to be embraced by the Jews, until he is revealed to his true nature.
3. the man of sin, the son of perdition revealed- which like Judas for a very brief time will be entered in to by Satan, to carry out the act of betraying his people and his land, by going into the temple and claiming to be God. God has him killed for that act.
4. the come back to life Antichrist, the Antichrist-beast, to be possessed by the unclean spirit of the former ancient person now in the bottomless pit.

I have made two threads recently. The profile of the Antichrist. The woman is Semiramus.

I think if you look at the opening posts in those two threads it would be of interest to you, pursuant of why ultimately the possession of the Antichrist by the unclean spirit (of Nimrod, imo) that will ascend out of the bottomless pit would be the course of events that will take place for that last 42 months.

 

[Douggg]

Don't forget David's fallen tent. It's where he wrote many of the Psalms after God's own heart. It has been rebuilt, so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, who planned these things from of old, Acts 15 (Mic 5).

Inter, are you talking about a physical tent of worship that David had constructed in the old testament times? If so, could you elaborate on its physical dimensions?

 

[Interplanner]

Wow, Dougg, you'll have to measure the fallen tent, raised back up, for yourself, in Acts 15 (Amos 9, sorry about earlier). It's nowhere and everywhere.

 

[Douggg]

Wow, Dougg, you'll have to measure the fallen tent, raised back up, for yourself, in Acts 15 (Amos 9, sorry about earlier). It's nowhere and everywhere.

What was the measurements according to the reed John was given?

 

[Interplanner]

Why was Amos 9 refered to in Acts 15? (Always take up rational based material before symbolic).

 

[shturt678s]

Yes, it is that future temple. That the man of sin will enter. But why measure it?

The 'man of sin' does not merely "come" as does the apostasy. While at first he remains hidden, he at last gets "to be revealed" as what he really is, ie, the irony is all one has to do is look within, and possibly he's in there where the Holy Spriit is suppose to be, ie, IIThess.2:4?

imo, it is because that temple will only be a minimal size. The tent tabernacle in the desert was about 15x30 feet. The court wall, a curtain, surrounding it, I don't know the dimensions off hand and would have to look it up.

Given the time element to build a minimal size temple, in order to get the daily sacrifices and temple ordinances implemented as soon as possible, it would not take very long to construct a stone temple version of the 15X30 feet tabernacle of the two chambers of the Holy Place and the most Holy Place.

Old Jack that is looking within :o "Sanctuary," not "Temple" :o

 

[Bible2]

shturt678s said in post 858:

The 'man of sin' does not merely "come" as does the apostasy. While at first he remains hidden, he at last gets "to be revealed" as what he really is, ie, the irony is all one has to do is look within, and possibly he's in there where the Holy Spriit is suppose to be, ie, IIThess.2:4?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 refers to when an individual man will be revealed (i.e. without any remaining doubt) as being the Antichrist, by his sitting (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaiming himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15). This is one of the things that has to happen before the future day of Jesus' 2nd coming and the gathering together (rapture) of the church (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

shturt678s said in post 858:

The 'man of sin' does not merely "come" as does the apostasy. While at first he remains hidden, he at last gets "to be revealed" as what he really is, ie, the irony is all one has to do is look within, and possibly he's in there where the Holy Spriit is suppose to be, ie, IIThess.2:4?

The Antichrist will fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4 after he by force takes control of a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, stops the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews will have restarted in front of it, and has the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the temple (Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15).

The Antichrist could then make quite a show of his sitting himself in the temple and declaring himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31). In a television and internet broadcast which will be seen live by the world, he could first be shown entering the temple's most holy place in magnificent golden robes. He could then step up to the Ark of the Covenant (which could have been discovered, and placed in the temple by the Jews), and lift the Mercy Seat off of the Ark, showing the Ark to be empty. He could then look into the camera and say: "Where is YHWH? He is not here! He is a distant fraud! His power on this earth is as hollow as this empty Ark!" (The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH: Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36.)

Then the Antichrist could raise the Mercy Seat high above his head only to suddenly smash it down violently to the ground, breaking it into pieces. The piped-in sound of crowds roaring with approval could then be heard in the background. Then the Antichrist could place his hands on the Ark and stare into the camera: "WE can do better than this". He could then knock over the Ark and stamp it with his foot, bashing in its side. Two of the Antichrist's followers in robes could then quickly come in and clear away the rubble of the Mercy Seat and the Ark, while 4 more men in robes carry into the temple's most holy place a magnificent golden throne and place it right where the Ark had been before. All the men could then bow down and motion with their arms for the Antichrist to sit on the throne. He could then grandly take his seat upon it.

Glorious symphonic music could then swell as the sound of crowds roaring with approval increases. Then the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20) (who could be an apostate pope) could enter the temple's most holy place and approach the Antichrist carrying a majestic golden crown encrusted with large diamonds and all kinds of precious stones. The Antichrist could take the crown from the pope's hands, and as the Antichrist is placing the crown on his own head, a camera could zoom in on his face as he says: "I AM THAT I AM. I AM YOUR GOD. Worship me, all ye nations of the earth!"

(cf. Revelation 13:8, Daniel 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)

shturt678s said in post 858:

Old Jack that is looking within "Sanctuary," not "Temple"

In 2 Thessalonians 2:4, like in Revelation 11:1-2, the original Greek word (naos, G3485) translated as "temple" is the same word used for an actual physical temple in Matthew 23:16, Matthew 23:17, Matthew 23:21, Matthew 23:35, Matthew 27:5, Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 1:9, Luke 1:21, Luke 1:22, Luke 23:45, and John 2:20.

 

[iamlamad]

The 'man of sin' does not merely "come" as does the apostasy. While at first he remains hidden, he at last gets "to be revealed" as what he really is, ie, the irony is all one has to do is look within, and possibly he's in there where the Holy Spriit is suppose to be, ie, IIThess.2:4?



Old Jack that is looking within :o "Sanctuary," not "Temple" :o

"Old Jack" is going to get the surprise of his life, when Jesus returns FOR His bride, and "old Jack" is left behind to SEE the new temple on TV, and SEE worshipers inside the temple, and the altar IN the temple, and finally see the man of sin enter the temple. Remember Jesus' words when you see that - - oh wait! You don't live in Judea, so you will have NO WHERE to run.

LAMAD