3rd Temple coming soon..

[ebedmelech]

We call it the temple of God because its built from the specs out of the Bible, and the Jews are in fact going to worship our God in that temple..


If it bothered you that much I would have just referred to it as the Temple, sheesh.. Is that what youve had your panties in a bunch over??

Semantics??

It doesn't really bother me except the error you make in calling it such. Revelation 11:19 makes clear where the Temple of God is:
19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

That's God's temple...the Old Testament temple has no place for God...even in the proper measurements. It will simply be a statement of unbelief!!!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

It doesn't really bother me except the error you make in calling it such. Revelation 11:19 makes clear where the Temple of God is:
19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

That's God's temple...the Old Testament temple has no place for God...even in the proper measurements. It will simply be a statement of unbelief!!!

Yeah, no we get that..

Doesnt change the fact that a "Temple" built to spec out of the Bible, by the Jews, for God according to them, is in fact coming...


If Id had known you were so worried about semantics I would have never called it what the Jews are ultimately going to call it once they erect it..



So, we now agree that the "Temple" has ZERO spiritual significance to God or Christians.

Correct?

 

[Douggg]

We call it the temple of God because its built from the specs out of the Bible, and the Jews are in fact going to worship our God in that temple..


If it bothered you that much I would have just referred to it as the Temple, sheesh.. Is that what youve had your panties in a bunch over??

Semantics??

Actually, temple of God, the soon to be rebuilt stone and cedar version, is technically the correct term for what the man of sin will enter into to (falsely) show that he is God, because in the text of 2Thessalonians2 it says...

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


eb is just sticking with the preterist genre of reasoning, and is not likely to change his mind. Just let it go at that. Futurists need our own end times forum.


Doug

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Actually, temple of God, the soon to be rebuilt stone and cedar version, is technically the correct term for what the man of sin will enter into to (falsely) show that he is God, because in the text of 2Thessalonians2 it says...

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


eb is just sticking with the preterist genre of reasoning, and is not likely to change his mind. Just let it go at that. Futurists need our own end times forum.


Doug

Futurists??? Logicists you mean?? lol

 

[ebedmelech]

Actually, temple of God, the soon to be rebuilt stone and cedar version, is technically the correct term for what the man of sin will enter into to (falsely) show that he is God, because in the text of 2Thessalonians2 it says...

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


eb is just sticking with the preterist genre of reasoning, and is not likely to change his mind. Just let it go at that. Futurists need our own end times forum.


Doug

No...I'm sticking with the fact that the temple is the church and the fact that:

*What you believe to be a temple "the man of sin" builds...will never be (that would be my estimation on the matter), but again even if built it's not what Paul means.

*The key flaw in what you're thinking would be that the temple is the church! Paul would never make the mistake of calling a building the temple of God knowing the church is the temple.

So I hold the line there will be no temple...but we'll see...or not...

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

So I hold the line there will be no temple...but we'll see...or not...

Difference between you and me...


I see the temple on the horizon, I know that its an objective reality because the Bible told me so, you by your own admission really dont know if its coming or not..

The Temple goes up, your knees go down, because the prophecy is at hand..

Everything you thought you had figured out is for naught.. perhaps not, perhaps it will bring you to resounding faith in prophecy once and for all..

Personally, Ill be happy for you.. "Welcome back"

Thats all I will say when it happens my friend, nothing more..

Till then..I at your faith in prophecy.

 

[ebedmelech]

Difference between you and me...


I see the temple on the horizon, I know that its an objective reality because the Bible told me so, you by your own admission really dont know if its coming or not..

The Temple goes up, your knees go down, because the prophecy is at hand..

Everything you thought you had figured out is for naught.. perhaps not, perhaps it will bring you to resounding faith in prophecy once and for all..

Personally, Ill be happy for you.. "Welcome back"

Thats all I will say when it happens my friend, nothing more..

Till then..I at your faith in prophecy.

Here's the facts:

*No temple is up right now...nor on the horizon despite what you *think*

*The Dome of the Rock has to be removed...it stands.

*Control of the site is in the hands of Islam.

What is is NOW...is what I believe continues in effect. I don't care how many temple artifacts, cornerstones, red heifers, lambs, rams, bulls, etc., Israel has reserved for the future...the Dome stands where they need to build.

Next point...the temple Paul speaks of is NOT in Israel. Paul ALWAYS referred to the temple as the church...so again you can think what you want. He wasn't speaking of Herod's temple nor any other temple...but the church!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Here's the facts:

*No temple is up right now...nor on the horizon despite what you *think*

*The Dome of the Rock has to be removed...it stands.

*Control of the site is in the hands of Islam.

What is is NOW...is what I believe continues in effect. I don't care how many temple artifacts, cornerstones, red heifers, lambs, rams, bulls, etc., Israel has reserved for the future...the Dome stands where they need to build.

Next point...the temple Paul speaks of is NOT in Israel. Paul ALWAYS referred to the temple as the church...so again you can think what you want. He wasn't speaking of Herod's temple nor any other temple...but the church!

Whatever makes you feel better bro.. Sometimes we dont always get what we want, Im sure at your age you understand that perhaps even better than myself..

Personally? I think you gave up on prophecy after you got bored waiting and nothing happened..

Ill be justified, I warned you, I cant really do much more than that..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Psa 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

3 score+10= 70

Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Was Christ talking about the generation of his time?? I believe so, but I also believe that because so much of the prophecy in the Gospel was unfulfilled, that it applied to the "last generation" as well, which ironically is starting to line up with our reality as we are 65 years into that generation and the Eze38 war is lining up flawlessly with the recent removal of power from Libya and Egypt. Persia and Russia are already allies, and the recent alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel is consistent with the coming war as they are not mentioned as one of the countries that comes against Israel.

Here is the Breakdown I gave BW, tell me what you think.. Keep in mind, if I was off by one year, this entire post fails, it just works to perfectly based on the data. (you could say I have an affliction for biblical numerology)

Jesus born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 70ad
Israel born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 2018

Israel born 1948+70=2018, judgement, or middle of 70th week of Daniel..

If the 70th week starts next year, as I suspect it will, that is 66 years after the return of the Jews to Israel.

2014=2+1+4= 7, Gods Holy number, 14 is the sum of its factors, 2x7

Separation of Christians and anti christians.

2x7 (Gods signifier is 7) (2 signifies separation, Christians/Pagans)

TWO: This number can mean difference, division or double portion.

• In the Creation event, God separated light and darkness. [Genesis 1:3-4]
• The Ten Commandments were inscribed on two tablets of stone. [Exodus 31:18; 32:15; 34:1, 4, 29]
• The children of Israel were forbidden to collect manna on the Sabbath and therefore were permitted to collect a double portion of manna on Friday.[Exodus 16:5]
• On the 6th day of Creation God created two—male and female—of every species in order that fertility might be a blessing to the earth. [Genesis 1:24-31]
• In the New Testament, Christians also saw this number as a symbol of the second person of the Trinity, the Incarnation of God the Son in the perfection of His humanity and divinity.

2018= 2+1+8=11 (the sum of 18's factors is 6) 3x6 or 6+6+6, or Judgement.

ELEVEN: disorder: 10 + 1 or 12 - 1; also disorganization, lack of fulfillment, imperfection.

• At Kadesh-Barnea the Children of Israel traveled eleven days from Mt. Sinai. In one more day they could have been in the Holy Land but their faith failed them [Deuteronomy 1:2].
• The last two Kings of Judah each reigned eleven years before the Babylonian conquest of Judah: Jehoiakim [2 Kings 23:36; 24:1; 2 Chronicles 36:5-6 ] and Zedekiah [2 Chronicles 36:11; Jeremiah 52:1]
• When Judas died there were only eleven Apostles - their number was incomplete; to complete the order of twelve, a twelfth Apostles was chosen by lot [Acts 1:15-26].

2021, end of the Juddgement

21 is the sum of its factors, or 7, Gods holy number.. 3x7=21

THREE: In sacred Scripture the number three represents that which is solid, real, substantial, and something in its completeness. This number usually indicates something of importance or significance in God's plan of salvation by identifying an important event in Salvation History. This number operates as a "sign-post" in Scripture study for the reader to "pay attention" to the significance of the next event.
In the Old Testament:

• It is the first of the 4 perfect numbers which are 3 (divine perfection); 7 (spiritual perfection); 10 (ordinal perfection); and 12 (governmental perfection).
• The earth was separated from the waters on the 3rd day [Genesis 1:9-13]
• There were three Patriarchs of the children of Israel: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel
• There are three verses in the Priestly Blessing in which the Tetragrammaton, YHWH, God's holy covenant name, appears three times [Numbers 6:24-26].
• Three times the angelic Seraphim cry "Holy, Holy, Holy" [Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8].
• After the Great Flood mankind descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. [Genesis 10:1-32]
• Three "men" announced to Abraham that his barren wife would bear a son [Genesis 18:14].
• Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son after a three-day journey to Mt. Moriah [Genesis 22:1-4].
• Baby Moses was hidden by his mother for three months [Exodus 2:1] and the adult Moses requests of Pharaoh that he let Moses take his people on a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifice to their God [Exodus 3:18].
• There were three divisions of the desert Tabernacle and later the Temple in Jerusalem: the Outer Court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies [Exodus 27:9; 26:1-30, 35-37; 31-34; 38:9-20; 21-31; 40:1-33; 1 Kings 6: 1-37].
• God is mentioned three times in the Shema, the Old Covenant profession of faith [Deuteronomy 6:4] and three times in the priestly blessing [Numbers 6:24-26].
• The three attributes of God mentioned in Exodus 33:18-19 are hen, rachum, and hesed (gracious, compassionate /merciful, and loving kindness).
• Of the seven annual Holy Feasts of the Sinai Covenant, three are "pilgrim feasts" in which every man 13 years or older must present himself before God at His Sanctuary and later at the Temple in Jerusalem. This command is repeated three time in scripture [Exodus 23:14-17; 34:18-23; Deuteronomy 16:16]
• Jonah spent three days in the belly of the great fish [Jonah 1:17]; Jonah took three days to journey across the city of Nineveh [Jonah 3:3]

2+2+1=5 (2021, end of Judgement)

FIVE: This is the number of power and Divine grace.

• Five kinds of animals were sacrificed under the Old Covenant Law of sacrifice: goats, sheep, cattle, pigeons and doves [Genesis 15:9; Exodus 29:38; Leviticus 1:1-17; 3:1; 4:3, 14, 23, 28; 5:6-7]
• God changed Abram's name to Abraham by adding the letter/number five to his name [Genesis 17:5]. He changed Sarai's name by adding the same letter/number with the value of "grace" to form the name Sarah [Genesis 17:15]. Abraham and Sarah were transformed by grace to become the parents of a family from which the Messiah would be born
• The Tabernacle was measured in multiples of five [Exodus 25 - 27]
• There are five books of the Torah (first 5 books of the Old Testament)
• Matthew's Gospel is divided into five "books" composed of five narratives and five discourses.
• Jesus bled from five wounds on the altar of the Cross: His two hands, his two feet and His head.
• Daniel proclaimed the Fifth Kingdom to be an Everlasting Kingdom [Daniel 2:37-44].

We are on Gods prophetic time clock, the Jews are the mechanism he will use to start it up again..


You couldnt make this stuff up if you wanted... I guess we will have to see..


If only the Jews knew how big of a mistake it is to build the Temple.. We cant stop what is coming..


Bare in mind, I didnt calculate these claims until after I figured we were the last generation from Christs, Isaiahs, Hoseas, and Daniels prophecies.

I just started looking for synchronicity in the numbers according to holy numbers and what they are used for throughout scripture.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Psa 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

3 score+10= 70

Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Was Christ talking about the generation of his time?? I believe so, but I also believe that because so much of the prophecy in the Gospel was unfulfilled, that it applied to the "last generation" as well, which ironically is starting to line up with our reality as we are 65 years into that generation and the Eze38 war is lining up flawlessly with the recent removal of power from Libya and Egypt. Persia and Russia are already allies, and the recent alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel is consistent with the coming war as they are not mentioned as one of the countries that comes against Israel.

Here is the Breakdown I gave BW, tell me what you think.. Keep in mind, if I was off by one year, this entire post fails, it just works to perfectly based on the data. (you could say I have an affliction for biblical numerology)

Jesus born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 70ad
Israel born, Judgement 70 years later. (1 generation) 2018

Israel born 1948+70=2018, judgement, or middle of 70th week of Daniel..

If the 70th week starts next year, as I suspect it will, that is 66 years after the return of the Jews to Israel.

2014=2+1+4= 7, Gods Holy number, 14 is the sum of its factors, 2x7

Separation of Christians and anti christians.

2x7 (Gods signifier is 7) (2 signifies separation, Christians/Pagans)

TWO: This number can mean difference, division or double portion.

• In the Creation event, God separated light and darkness. [Genesis 1:3-4]
• The Ten Commandments were inscribed on two tablets of stone. [Exodus 31:18; 32:15; 34:1, 4, 29]
• The children of Israel were forbidden to collect manna on the Sabbath and therefore were permitted to collect a double portion of manna on Friday.[Exodus 16:5]
• On the 6th day of Creation God created two—male and female—of every species in order that fertility might be a blessing to the earth. [Genesis 1:24-31]
• In the New Testament, Christians also saw this number as a symbol of the second person of the Trinity, the Incarnation of God the Son in the perfection of His humanity and divinity.

2018= 2+1+8=11 (the sum of 18's factors is 6) 3x6 or 6+6+6, or Judgement.

ELEVEN: disorder: 10 + 1 or 12 - 1; also disorganization, lack of fulfillment, imperfection.

• At Kadesh-Barnea the Children of Israel traveled eleven days from Mt. Sinai. In one more day they could have been in the Holy Land but their faith failed them [Deuteronomy 1:2].
• The last two Kings of Judah each reigned eleven years before the Babylonian conquest of Judah: Jehoiakim [2 Kings 23:36; 24:1; 2 Chronicles 36:5-6 ] and Zedekiah [2 Chronicles 36:11; Jeremiah 52:1]
• When Judas died there were only eleven Apostles - their number was incomplete; to complete the order of twelve, a twelfth Apostles was chosen by lot [Acts 1:15-26].

2021, end of the Juddgement

21 is the sum of its factors, or 7, Gods holy number.. 3x7=21

THREE: In sacred Scripture the number three represents that which is solid, real, substantial, and something in its completeness. This number usually indicates something of importance or significance in God's plan of salvation by identifying an important event in Salvation History. This number operates as a "sign-post" in Scripture study for the reader to "pay attention" to the significance of the next event.
In the Old Testament:

• It is the first of the 4 perfect numbers which are 3 (divine perfection); 7 (spiritual perfection); 10 (ordinal perfection); and 12 (governmental perfection).
• The earth was separated from the waters on the 3rd day [Genesis 1:9-13]
• There were three Patriarchs of the children of Israel: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel
• There are three verses in the Priestly Blessing in which the Tetragrammaton, YHWH, God's holy covenant name, appears three times [Numbers 6:24-26].
• Three times the angelic Seraphim cry "Holy, Holy, Holy" [Isaiah 6:3 and Revelation 4:8].
• After the Great Flood mankind descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. [Genesis 10:1-32]
• Three "men" announced to Abraham that his barren wife would bear a son [Genesis 18:14].
• Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son after a three-day journey to Mt. Moriah [Genesis 22:1-4].
• Baby Moses was hidden by his mother for three months [Exodus 2:1] and the adult Moses requests of Pharaoh that he let Moses take his people on a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifice to their God [Exodus 3:18].
• There were three divisions of the desert Tabernacle and later the Temple in Jerusalem: the Outer Court, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies [Exodus 27:9; 26:1-30, 35-37; 31-34; 38:9-20; 21-31; 40:1-33; 1 Kings 6: 1-37].
• God is mentioned three times in the Shema, the Old Covenant profession of faith [Deuteronomy 6:4] and three times in the priestly blessing [Numbers 6:24-26].
• The three attributes of God mentioned in Exodus 33:18-19 are hen, rachum, and hesed (gracious, compassionate /merciful, and loving kindness).
• Of the seven annual Holy Feasts of the Sinai Covenant, three are "pilgrim feasts" in which every man 13 years or older must present himself before God at His Sanctuary and later at the Temple in Jerusalem. This command is repeated three time in scripture [Exodus 23:14-17; 34:18-23; Deuteronomy 16:16]
• Jonah spent three days in the belly of the great fish [Jonah 1:17]; Jonah took three days to journey across the city of Nineveh [Jonah 3:3]

2+2+1=5 (2021, end of Judgement)

FIVE: This is the number of power and Divine grace.

• Five kinds of animals were sacrificed under the Old Covenant Law of sacrifice: goats, sheep, cattle, pigeons and doves [Genesis 15:9; Exodus 29:38; Leviticus 1:1-17; 3:1; 4:3, 14, 23, 28; 5:6-7]
• God changed Abram's name to Abraham by adding the letter/number five to his name [Genesis 17:5]. He changed Sarai's name by adding the same letter/number with the value of "grace" to form the name Sarah [Genesis 17:15]. Abraham and Sarah were transformed by grace to become the parents of a family from which the Messiah would be born
• The Tabernacle was measured in multiples of five [Exodus 25 - 27]
• There are five books of the Torah (first 5 books of the Old Testament)
• Matthew's Gospel is divided into five "books" composed of five narratives and five discourses.
• Jesus bled from five wounds on the altar of the Cross: His two hands, his two feet and His head.
• Daniel proclaimed the Fifth Kingdom to be an Everlasting Kingdom [Daniel 2:37-44].

We are on Gods prophetic time clock, the Jews are the mechanism he will use to start it up again..


You couldnt make this stuff up if you wanted... I guess we will have to see..


If only the Jews knew how big of a mistake it is to build the Temple.. We cant stop what is coming..


Bare in mind, I didnt calculate these claims until after I figured we were the last generation from Christs, Isaiahs, Hoseas, and Daniels prophecies.

I just started looking for synchronicity in the numbers according to holy numbers and what they are used for throughout scripture.

 

[Douggg]

Hi xXChristP, the 2018 no later than year - is a theory for all of the Matthew 24 and other end times prophecies to be fulfilled including Jesus's return. Subtracting 7 years, would mandate for that theory for the Antichrist would had to have confirmed the covenant back in 2011. Didn't happened.

I held that particular theory myself.

Since that one didn't work out - there is only one other combination available, and it makes a lot of sense - 1967 +70 years =2037.

2037 is a not later than year for everything to be fulfilled. Which means, sometime between now and then, the 7 years will start, but it would have to be sometime before 2030 (2037-7).

The reason 1967 is the base year and not 1948, is that in Matthew 23 in order for Jerusalem to say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, Jerusalem would have to be in the hands of the Jews.

That's a pretty big window, between now and 2030. But I don't think it is that far off, and am watching the developments in Europe.

Doug

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Hi xXChristP, the 2018 no later than year - is a theory for all of the Matthew 24 and other end times prophecies to be fulfilled including Jesus's return. Subtracting 7 years, would mandate for that theory for the Antichrist would had to have confirmed the covenant back in 2011. Didn't happened.

I held that particular theory myself.

Since that one didn't work out - there is only one other combination available, and it makes a lot of sense - 1967 +70 years =2037.

2037 is a not later than year for everything to be fulfilled. Which means, sometime between now and then, the 7 years will start, but it would have to be sometime before 2030 (2037-7).

The reason 1967 is the base year and not 1948, is that in Matthew 23 in order for Jerusalem to say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, Jerusalem would have to be in the hands of the Jews.

That's a pretty big window, between now and 2030. But I don't think it is that far off, and am watching the developments in Europe.

Doug

I look at Jerusalem 70 years after Christs birth, and I see judgement.

I look at Jerusalem 70 years after the rebirth of Israel and I see Judgement.


I see war with every tetrad that occurs, thats why the first tetrad in 49-50 wasnt 48-49. The first attack came in 1949.

The next tetrad startes 2014-2015.

Im not crazy.. lol

(my mother had me tested)

Def keep watching Europe, but more importantly Israel and Palestine..

 

[bibletruth469]

I like the idea of a futurist forum. Count me in!

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

I like the idea of a futurist forum. Count me in!

We need to organize, submit to mods, ect..

Lets make a move, we got bigger fish to fry than defending what we already know to be true...

 

[bibletruth469]

Hi xXChristP, the 2018 no later than year - is a theory for all of the Matthew 24 and other end times prophecies to be fulfilled including Jesus's return. Subtracting 7 years, would mandate for that theory for the Antichrist would had to have confirmed the covenant back in 2011. Didn't happened. I held that particular theory myself. Since that one didn't work out - there is only one other combination available, and it makes a lot of sense - 1967 +70 years =2037. 2037 is a not later than year for everything to be fulfilled. Which means, sometime between now and then, the 7 years will start, but it would have to be sometime before 2030 (2037-7). The reason 1967 is the base year and not 1948, is that in Matthew 23 in order for Jerusalem to say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, Jerusalem would have to be in the hands of the Jews. That's a pretty big window, between now and 2030. But I don't think it is that far off, and am watching the developments in Europe. Doug

My view is that there in really no way if trying to calculate it. I believe that the temple will be built during the 1 st half of the tribulation period if not before. Scripture makes it very clear that at the midpoint of the seven year tribulation , the antichrist will proclaim himself to be God and that he will stand in a literal temple.

The actual seven years begins at the signing and confirming the covenant with the Jews and the many. Remember , the rapture does not start the tribulation , but the peace accord signing does start it. One question- why does the antichrist have to give the OK for the temple to be rebuilt ? I really do not think that he does. I'd like to see that particular answer in scripture .

My theory- what if the rapture happened before this period. The whole world would be big great turmoil . But after a while , the people in the world during that time will settle down . It may take many years for that to happen. Wars and rumors of wars will take place. Maybe the Gog and Magog war will take place. After this time, maybe the temple could be built. Like I mentioned above, the signing starts the 7 years, not the rapture.

I want to ask futurists this question about the above theory . What is your take on the timing of the temple? Thoughts....

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

My view is that there in really no way if trying to calculate it. I believe that the temple will be built during the 1 st half of the tribulation period if not before. Scripture makes it very clear that at the midpoint of the seven year tribulation , the antichrist will proclaim himself to be God and that he will stand in a literal temple.

The actual seven years begins at the signing and confirming the covenant with the Jews and the many. Remember , the rapture does not start the tribulation , but the peace accord signing does start it. One question- why does the antichrist have to give the OK for the temple to be rebuilt ? I really do not think that he does. I'd like to see that particular answer in scripture .

My theory- what if the rapture happened before this period. The whole world would be big great turmoil . But after a while , the people in the world during that time will settle down . It may take many years for that to happen. Wars and rumors of wars will take place. Maybe the Gog and Magog war will take place. After this time, maybe the temple could be built. Like I mentioned above, the signing starts the 7 years, not the rapture.

I want to ask futurists this question about the above theory . What is your take on the timing of the temple? Thoughts....

My opinion??

Temple will be here next year, q4, or q1 2015.

Doesnt really matter, so long as its after the covenant is signed and before the mid point..

You really havent wondered why Israel and Palestines peace deal is being brokered by the Pope?? Why is John Kerry so desperate to get peace in Israel? Why do these men care?? The Pope isnt Jewish, and John Kerry has no reason to be involved with Israel, we just turned our backs on them over Irans nuclear business..

 

[bibletruth469]

My opinion?? Temple will be here next year, q4, or q1 2015. Doesnt really matter, so long as its after the covenant is signed and before the mid point.. You really havent wondered why Israel and Palestines peace deal is being brokered by the Pope?? Why is John Kerry so desperate to get peace in Israel? Why do these men care?? The Pope isnt Jewish, and John Kerry has no reason to be involved with Israel, we just turned our backs on them over Irans nuclear business..

You could be right, however I don't think it will take place that quickly but I could be wrong. It does seem very strange to me also about the pope and John Kerry . Isn't it interesting that they are pushing for peace between Israel and Palestinians to be during a 9 month period? Prophecy is referred to in Matt 24( birth pains). Just a thought .

 

[Douggg]

I like the idea of a futurist forum. Count me in!

It would be helpful then for you to go here and lend your support for the idea. http://www.christianforums.com/t7724882-2/

Doug

 

[Douggg]

.....but I could be wrong.

Ah, someone after my own heart....

Doug

 

[Douggg]

My view is that there in really no way if trying to calculate it. I believe that the temple will be built during the 1 st half of the tribulation period if not before. Scripture makes it very clear that at the midpoint of the seven year tribulation , the antichrist will proclaim himself to be God and that he will stand in a literal temple.

The actual seven years begins at the signing and confirming the covenant with the Jews and the many. Remember , the rapture does not start the tribulation , but the peace accord signing does start it. One question- why does the antichrist have to give the OK for the temple to be rebuilt ? I really do not think that he does. I'd like to see that particular answer in scripture .

Hi bt469, I know that the Jews currently are split over whether the messiah builds the temple or it is built before he arrives. I think we will just have to see how things come together.

My theory- what if the rapture happened before this period. The whole world would be big great turmoil . But after a while , the people in the world during that time will settle down . It may take many years for that to happen. Wars and rumors of wars will take place. Maybe the Gog and Magog war will take place. After this time, maybe the temple could be built. Like I mentioned above, the signing starts the 7 years, not the rapture.

That there is a period of time between the Rapture and the 7 years is something that Arthur Pink wrote about in his 1923 work The Antichrist, maybe years. He believed that there would be. Personally, I don't know. But it is a possibility.

To me, the next necessary step on the prophecy chain of events has to be formation of the ten king kingdom. The reason is the other steps cannot follow until that ten king kingdom formulates.

Doug