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Dear CP, you have described the aftermath of the affect, the results of the heaviness. Let me put it in context with the Law of God and His scale of truth. What is the heaviness actually pointing to can be said in one word, in fact: it's a tilting of a scale in this imagery of the prophet's vision. I may also ask, how would this heaviness relate to the Yoke of Christ? I am trying to allow you to see the meaning of scriptures for yourself by giving you key elements of interpreting this and see what the prophet sees.

The prophets were led by the Holy Spirit of God and not by men's written words. These men saw images when they saw this in vision. Every prophet from the beginning to the ending will prophesy of the same issue, what is the key issue?

I'll give you my thoughts in brief, The heaviness is pictured by man as being a heavy weight, sort of like a paper weight on a stack of paper but this is not the image, it's rather a weight scale, as in measuring proportions, and this is pictured in a number of parables. The heaviness is describing the tilting of this scale of Justice, and so I ask, how does man's sin tilt this scale in the prophet's imagery?

The only way that a prophecy may be interpreted is by the same imagery and written word that it voices in Spirit. This cannot be calculated simply by the methods that men have been using. You say that the Book of Daniel has been opened, and Revelation is unfolding each day, well, IMO this is not the case, not entirely true, that is. All scripture must be considered when looking at any part of it,

The light of the single eye is the lamp of the body, and it is written that some of these single eyes will also be darkened. The light of the natural eye is the lamp of the body and it's always in darkness but the light of the single eye that shines forth it's bright light will see heaven, for no darkness/heaviness is allowed in heaven as it tilts the scale as Eve and Adam did in Eden.

How do you see this heaviness relate to the "spirits hovering over the waters" in Genesis and in the beginning of God's Creation story? This Yoke was created when the Son of God was Created in the beginning, and the Son of God is the Ending/Revelation. Genesis to Revelation, the Beginning to the Ending is Prophecy, and to say that prophecy ended or is in the past is saying that Christ is crucified and the Cross is cut down to the 8th commandment, this left only the feminine of the seed after removing the masculine-male from the Cross.

x141 knows exactly what I'm talking about because he too sees the hidden manna that is for a single eye to see; natural eyes cannot see the hidden manna. You have many key elements at work in your calculus but you fall short with the lack of ingredients, and that is Christ in this picture. Christ is Prophecy, He is the Voice of Prophecy, and He wrote it Himself and He Revealed Himself to man in man's time so that He may save a remnant of man.

To place all of your trust on facts of the past and without seeing the present is saying God is dead! God is ALIVE and so does His prophecy continue as the blood in our veins and of the Vine. Prophecy didn't end in 1948 my friend, nor at any time in history, it continues and you must look at today to see the one abomination that raised up in the 20th century and is still a global abomination to this very moment and increases with intensity, while there be a falling away of hearts after God. The image of the beast is too attractive and the man is deceived and consumed by his own follies. This is an attribute of the beast, to devour himself with fire. [James 5:3].

I'll cover more in other replies because this does all relate to the last day, and a Living Christ.

Thanks :)

lol, so "Satans yoke" is essentially what you are saying regarding heaviness?

Where did I say prophecy ended in 1948, nay, it only started to really gain momentum!

All of Christs promises are coming, we have the Gospel, which is all we need, but we are given prophecy, something only valuable to the believer. An insight into Christs divinity..

I dont need prophecy to love Jesus Christ, to love God, but I am thankful that I am given it to use, as a gift, as it truly is a blessing..

My understanding could not have happened without Christ in my life..


You have to understand, not every verse in the Bible is prophecy, a little less than a 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy, but that is significant to the Christian/Jew.. People have issues reading the Bible without spirit, leading to their confusion..

You have to fully submit to God, and confess Jesus Christ, Emmanuel as your Lord and Savior. :prayer:
 
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CP, one small clue that you already have in your basket is: there will "first" come a falling away from God.

In context with the plain written Word, it says that it comes first, and this might be after 1948? Did or does the entire falling away of the "church" occur before or after 1948? You might be surprised if you see the light of this! Thanks :)

The falling away indeed has come, as many Christians have fallen, as I did..

I asked Christ into my life as a child, Ill never forget that day, but then I fell hard, for 25 years..

Luckily, God pulled me back, I believe that when the Bible says that God will finish his work in a man, it couldn't be more true...

How many Christians are lukewarm? This is the reason Christ addresses the categories of Christians in the beginning of Rev.

Kinda like a wake up call..
 
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The written word says "elect", and so I ask, is this also the "multitude" in your theological data?

I believe the multitude are martyrs...

I am not a "theologian" to be honest.. I am just a sinner..

I was living a pretty content life as a sinner too, until I discovered what is going on real time, and how it is all perfectly lining up in scripture..
 
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Perhaps, Christmas does have some significance? The desires of the wicked will come to them as their reward, and God just might even deliver it to them as His gift at their Christmas time? Could the Lord actually be rising up in this world to show Himself to this wicked world in their time so that ALL eyes shall see Him? You do believe and have been saying that you believe something great is about to happen? Hmmm?
 
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lol, so "Satans yoke" is essentially what you are saying regarding heaviness?

Where did I say prophecy ended in 1948, nay, it only started to really gain momentum!

All of Christs promises are coming, we have the Gospel, which is all we need, but we are given prophecy, something only valuable to the believer. An insight into Christs divinity..

I dont need prophecy to love Jesus Christ, to love God, but I am thankful that I am given it to use, as a gift, as it truly is a blessing..

My understanding could not have happened without Christ in my life..


You have to understand, not every verse in the Bible is prophecy, a little less than a 1/3 of the Bible is prophecy, but that is significant to the Christian/Jew.. People have issues reading the Bible without spirit, leading to their confusion..

You have to fully submit to God, and confess Jesus Christ, Emmanuel as your Lord and Savior. :prayer:

We cannot make sense of this when the first mention of Satan is used to substitute Christ, why did you do this, to accuse me of something? Are you showing that passive aggressiveness trait that you once accused me of, and I ignored it? I'm not going there, my friend. If you want to continue or discontinue this discussion and ask me to leave then please be polite about it? I can take it easily without using other methods of language. Thanks :)
 
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Perhaps, Christmas does have some significance? The desires of the wicked will come to them as their reward, and God just might even deliver it to them as His gift at their Christmas time? Could the Lord actually be rising up in this world to show Himself to this wicked world in their time so that ALL eyes shall see Him? You do believe and have been saying that you believe something great is about to happen? Hmmm?

Perhaps...

Christmas is not a "Christian" holiday, it never was..

Are you familiar with St. Nicholas? He was a turk from around 200 ad.

Nothing about Christmas has anything to do with us, Jesus wasnt born on december 25, that is a pagan sun worship day the Romans observed.


Did Christ celebrate his birthday? Are we to celebrate our own birthdays? God forbid, as we celebrate God for giving us life everyday!

We celebrate Christ everyday, thanking God for sending him to redeem us from our evil ways..

I am indeed thankful for his birth, but Im more thankful for his death and what it means.:prayer:
 
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Dear CP, I'll have to end this discussion because as I have been reading, and it confirms what others have been saying, you take a preterist view one time and then a futurist view, another time, and this is too obvious to me and my understanding, and the two of us will never settle a thing on this, so I thank you for all that you are doing and have done. God bless you my friend, and this thread. Thanks :)
 
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Dear CP, I'll have to end this discussion because as I have been reading, and it confirms what others have been saying, you take a preterist view one time and then a futurist view, another time, and this is too obvious to me and my understanding, and the two of us will never settle a thing on this, so I thank you for all that you are doing and have done. God bless you my friend, and this thread. Thanks :)

If you could point out my "preterist" view, Id be surprised, lol..

Otherwise, I can understand how what I say is troubling to you.. Many Christians are simply "unaware" of this.

One thing you will find out about me is that I am not a futurist, preterist or any kind of "ist".. I am simply a Christian..

God bless
 
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Dear CP, I don't want to argue anything personal and I hope that you don't take this personally so to leave you with a thought that will hopefully illustrate what has happened, is happening, and will continue until the power cord is pulled from the electrical socket, so to speak. This is an idea of what is a serious threat to the world right now, today:

The world is lacking knowledge and understanding of YHWH, and the world are like an illiterate man who receives a gift, a book titles, "How To Grow Apples", and his friend says to the illiterate man, here's a book and if you study it you can become a wealthy farmer and grow an orchard of apples, and profit from your produce.

Being illiterate, and prideful, the man gladly accepts the gift while not willing to reveal the fact that he cannot understand it. His friend leaves and a chicken farmer from down the road comes and offers his suggestions to the illiterate man, but the man rejects the suggestions from the chicken farmer as he offers nothing except for using his manure for fertilizer. The man's pride dictates a position that will not allow the man to neither reveal his ignorance to even a chicken farmer so the man continues in ignorance and with a prideful spirit believing in himself that he will produce a healthy crop of apples for profit.

When harvest time comes, the produce is very poor because he didn't know how to grow apples. Then his friend comes around to visit him and asks him, "what happened?"

Who's his friend?

Thanks :)
 
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Dear CP, I'll have to end this discussion because as I have been reading, and it confirms what others have been saying, you take a preterist view one time and then a futurist view, another time, and this is too obvious to me and my understanding, and the two of us will never settle a thing on this, so I thank you for all that you are doing and have done. God bless you my friend, and this thread. Thanks :)

From what I can tell, there are increasing layers or levels of understanding encoded into various verses in the bible. Some places it means exactly what it says, while other places it builds on an idea from another verse somewhere else.

I believe the book of Job is a good example of this, for it seems instead of just demanding humbling answers from Job, this was a method to relay technical information to those who seek it.

Job 9:
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south .

Job 38:
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Amos 5:
8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The Lord is his name:

Psalm 104:
3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

13 He watereth the hills from his chambers: the earth is satisfied with the fruit of thy works.

Psalm 104:
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.


Isaiah 27
1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

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Job 41




1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.
23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.
24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.
26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.
27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.
29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.
30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.
31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
 
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Dear CP, I don't want to argue anything personal and I hope that you don't take this personally so to leave you with a thought that will hopefully illustrate what has happened, is happening, and will continue until the power cord is pulled from the electrical socket, so to speak. This is an idea of what is a serious threat to the world right now, today:

The world is lacking knowledge and understanding of YHWH, and the world are like an illiterate man who receives a gift, a book titles, "How To Grow Apples", and his friend says to the illiterate man, here's a book and if you study it you can become a wealthy farmer and grow an orchard of apples, and profit from your produce.

Being illiterate, and prideful, the man gladly accepts the gift while not willing to reveal the fact that he cannot understand it. His friend leaves and a chicken farmer from down the road comes and offers his suggestions to the illiterate man, but the man rejects the suggestions from the chicken farmer as he offers nothing except for using his manure for fertilizer. The man's pride dictates a position that will not allow the man to neither reveal his ignorance to even a chicken farmer so the man continues in ignorance and with a prideful spirit believing in himself that he will produce a healthy crop of apples for profit.

When harvest time comes, the produce is very poor because he didn't know how to grow apples. Then his friend comes around to visit him and asks him, "what happened?"

Who's his friend?

Thanks :)

His friend is Christ, and he should have given the Chicken farmer this verse.

Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

You see, to minister what we believe to be true comes with a penalty if we lead others down the wrong path..

The Chicken farmer is guilty of this..

What are your thoughts?
 
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Perhaps...

Christmas is not a "Christian" holiday, it never was..

Are you familiar with St. Nicholas? He was a turk from around 200 ad.

Nothing about Christmas has anything to do with us, Jesus wasnt born on december 25, that is a pagan sun worship day the Romans observed.


Did Christ celebrate his birthday? Are we to celebrate our own birthdays? God forbid, as we celebrate God for giving us life everyday!

We celebrate Christ everyday, thanking God for sending him to redeem us from our evil ways..

I am indeed thankful for his birth, but Im more thankful for his death and what it means.:prayer:
In fact, The Feast of Tabernacles is the date of His birth, and his circumcision was on that great day after, the 8th day.
He also began His ministry on the Feast of Chanukah, for his incarnation into the "prepared in the womb" body of New Man creation flesh was on the eve of Chanukah, nine months before his birth on the first day of Tabernacles.

So God already ordained the Feast of His birth as a rehearsal of all He was incarnated to do, when the end of this present creation comes: and he was born in a Sukkah, prepared according to the Law for that Feast, and which typed His coming to dwell among us as "Emmanuel".

The incarnation on the 24th day of the ninth month in the Jewish Calendar was actually the day from which God said HE would bless, and the word used in Haggai 2 means "backwards and forwards", so from the date of the incarnation of Christ in flesh, our Adam race is blessed all the way back and all the way forward, to the "8th Day", when Adam is no more [which is what circumcision signs -the cutting off of the Adam seed multiplying from that "Day of the New Beginning, the Great Day, that Eighth Day"; which the Law signs and rehearses.
 
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In fact, The Feast of Tabernacles is the date of His birth, and his circumcision was on that great day after, the 8th day.
He also began His ministry on the Feast of Chanukah, for his incarnation into the "prepared in the womb" body of New Man creation flesh was on the eve of Chanukah, nine months before his birth on the first day of Tabernacles.

So God already ordained the Feast of His birth as a rehearsal of all He was incarnated to do, when the end of this present creation comes: and he was born in a Sukkah, prepared according to the Law for that Feast, and which typed His coming to dwell among us as "Emmanuel".

The incarnation on the 24th day of the ninth month in the Jewish Calendar was actually the day from which God said HE would bless, and the word used in Haggai 2 means "backwards and forwards", so from the date of the incarnation of Christ in flesh, our Adam race is blessed all the way back and all the way forward, to the "8th Day", when Adam is no more [which is what circumcision signs -the cutting off of the Adam seed multiplying from that "Day of the New Beginning, the Great Day, that Eighth Day"; which the Law signs and rehearses.

What is Jesus Christs birthday then?
 
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His friend is Christ, and he should have given the Chicken farmer this verse.

Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

You see, to minister what we believe to be true comes with a penalty if we lead others down the wrong path..

The Chicken farmer is guilty of this..

What are your thoughts?

The mistake didn't begin here but it continues down a path of darkness, either way. The illiterate apple farmer would only be leading another illiterate man down a road of the same path that results in poor produce, the blind leads the blind in this idea. They should have both went to school of the master and learned something and how to read first, this is the new song that the illiterate man will learn that he will understand and then a harvest of beautiful apples will he produce. The man's friend then teaches him what he knows and has proven to grow a good produce, and the illiterate man is then grateful and merciful to his friend when he does produce a wonderful harvest of Golden ripe apples. Thanks :)
 
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The mistake didn't begin here but it continues down a path of darkness, either way. The illiterate apple farmer would only be leading another illiterate man down a road of the same path that results in poor produce, the blind leads the blind in this idea. They should have both went to school of the master and learned something and how to read first, this is the new song that the illiterate man will learn that he will understand and then a harvest of beautiful apples will he produce. The man's friend then teaches him what he knows and has proven to grow a good produce, and the illiterate man is then grateful and merciful to his friend when he does produce a wonderful harvest of Golden ripe apples. Thanks :)

Interesting parable..

I like it.:)

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

You know, I need to stop talking about secret societies and there plans.. Its a knowledge of the dark, and in light of what Eph 5:12 says, I should probably stop discussing it.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
 
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Interesting parable..

I like it.:)

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

You know, I need to stop talking about secret societies and there plans.. Its a knowledge of the dark, and in light of what Eph 5:12 says, I should probably stop discussing it.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

There are external beings visiting this world, have been for ages. When they appear man will worship them as gods.. which is what they desire...but they are not the Creator.
 
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There are external beings visiting this world, have been for ages. When they appear man will worship them as gods.. which is what they desire...but they are not the Creator.

Yes, this is true, but there are identities to consider so to know what they are, these foreign gods. In light of Rev 13:4, the dragon, beast and man, there's a relationship of the three and material devices are the phenomenal link between these entities, such as i.e., any form of idol. In context with Rev 13:4, it is the man who is the creator of these devices that are seen as foreign gods in the prophet's vision.

The simple idea is that the dragon-Satan gives his life force and authority to man to mimic God in creation of the devices that allow this possible. It are these things that man creates that become a beast to man that in return destroys man by his own works. The gods are our world of technical devices that give power our works, such as Banking, manufacturing, oil drilling, and anything that even runs on gasoline uses a spark for combustion.

IMO, the world has become entirely reliant on the works that have been given life by the dragon and man was given authority to go ahead and advance in the research and development of technolgy starting in the 20th century with the light bulb and it's source of power to falsely illuminate a dark world after we kicked God from His Throne by our violations against God by our desire for the use of these things.

And in the End, all of the wicked desires will be delivered as rewards, God gives man over to his own abominations and is eaten as it were fire. When the world loses it's temporary life force (electricity) then, the great tribulation will come and all of heaven and earth will be at battle, God battles Satan for the authority over men's mind's. [James 5:3] Thanks :)
 
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Yes, this is true, but there are identities to consider so to know what they are, these foreign gods. In light of Rev 13:4, the dragon, beast and man, there's a relationship of the three and material devices are the phenomenal link between these entities, such as i.e., any form of idol. In context with Rev 13:4, it is the man who is the creator of these devices that are seen as foreign gods in the prophet's vision.

The simple idea is that the dragon-Satan gives his life force and authority to man to mimic God in creation of the devices that allow this possible. It are these things that man creates that become a beast to man that in return destroys man by his own works. The gods are our world of technical devices that give power our works, such as Banking, manufacturing, oil drilling, and anything that even runs on gasoline uses a spark for combustion.

IMO, the world has become entirely reliant on the works that have been given life by the dragon and man was given authority to go ahead and advance in the research and development of technolgy starting in the 20th century with the light bulb and it's source of power to falsely illuminate a dark world after we kicked God from His Throne by our violations against God by our use of these things.

And in the End, all of the wicked desires will be delivered as rewards, God gives man over to his own abominations and is eaten as it were fire. [James 5:3] Thanks :)


Are you guys talking about fallen angels? Arent they bound??
 
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