3abn Continued

[tomatoe]

dj,

I have it in writing from the unnamed source, and what I have in writing is freely available. Plus, Danny has confirmed that he ids hiding what he made from the TCTR book until at least after the property case is settled, and that confirms what the insider wrote.

Mr. Pickle, you can't have it both ways. On the one hand you and your side claim that Danny is smart enough and powerful enough to control everything and everybody within the denomination. Anyone that has ever went against Linda is because he controls them, including the conference. But on the other hand you are constantly quoting Danny admitting to this and that. Basically stuff where he would be incriminating himself over and over. Now, how stupid would that be? You can't have your cake and eat it too Bob.
The only reasonable conclusion that one could come to is that of course he doesn't control the world and these so called incriminating statements you say he made have, of course, been spun and manipulated to make him say what you need him to be saying.
Just like the divorce over the gun. Ridiculous.

 

[thecountrydoc]

My dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

I fully understand, and have used, the adversarial approach to settle disputes in a court of law. However with that being said I must ask all these questions; Have we, as the Body of Christ, the church, become "worldly" in our approach to problems within the church such as this? Is a public forum the correct place to debate such matters? There has been a great deal of time and effort spent by all on this matter; Have each of you spent the same amount of time and energy in prayer over this?

I do not ask these qustions to offend anyone. I only ask them because the tenor of this thread, as well other threads, seems to be lacking in a spirit of brotherly love and makes me wonder WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

 

[Pickle]

Mr. Pickle, you can't have it both ways.

You will have a hard time finding where I have said that Danny is a super-smart genius who is the real GC president. From what I recall I've never said such.

 

[Pickle]

As far as the $1.4 million inventory figure, that would be about right if 3ABN had 2,088 of every item they sell in their store for an apparently fixed price of a suggested donation, if they had gotten each item at 40% off.

But 13 of the 58 items offered for sale at an apparently fixed price of a suggested donation are music CDs. Such CDs could cost $1.16 back in 2001 if you bought 1000 of them. Certainly you could get them at that price today if you ordered 2,088, I would think. And since they sell for $16.50, that's around 93% off.

But that assumes that 3ABN is the publisher, and doesn't include royalties. However, in the case where someone else is the publisher, you'd only buy enough at a standard 40% off discount that you could sell in a reasonable amount of time. Otherwise you'd get a higher quantity and a steeper discount and then hold onto them
for a year or two or whatever.

If 3ABN bought 2,088 of a book or CD, they should definitely have gotten it for more than 40% off.

 

[djconklin]

Here in Minnesote we supposedly (the facts don't always bear it out) that we are NICE. Of course, it should go without saying, but apparently needs to be said AND LOUDLY, that SO ARE CHRISTIANS!

Try acting like one!

 

[djconklin]

I don't think anyone would argue that telling the truth is "unChristian conduct" which is what I was referring to.

 

[steffanphilip]

I sure didn't call Finley that day. And Gailon recalls calling someone else on a different holiday and getting reacted to negatively. So not only might Steffan have the wrong person, but he might also have the wrong holiday. But that would be hearsay, so I'm open on that one.

Misleading and evasive.

I specifically asked whether Gailon (not you) had called Pastor Finley on Christmas morning. I also asked how many times did he call on that same morning before being told that the phone would not be answered anymore.

I have to say that I believe you are flat-out lying....trying to qualify it with a "might have" does not soften the lie.

I also note that you have evaded the question of how times Gailon called Jim a liar in his phone call to him...

 

[djconklin]

It was a balmy night, the sort that brings the homeless out from the shelters, when the police were summoned to America Street. On the driveway of a condo, just a few paces from the gutter, lay a man. A dying man.
He looked to be 50-ish, and a resident of Orlando's streets, judging by the moldy jacket. And he'd been bludgeoned — so badly bludgeoned that he could hardly move.
from http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070408...he_homeless;_ylt=ApKrASWcXvCgT0rlPmK90DpvzwcF

Why should we expect the people of the world to behave any better when they can see so-called, pseudo-Christians turning on each other like a punch of rabid animals?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

To my understanding it did. The finding would be censure. Obviously her "gag" order did not apply to speaking to the church board or the 3abn board for that matter. That is just another spin by Pickle. She could have went before either at anytime. She chose not to.

No they did not, and there was no censure.

 

[Pickle]

Misleading and evasive.

I specifically asked whether Gailon (not you) had called Pastor Finley on Christmas morning. I also asked how many times did he call on that same morning before being told that the phone would not be answered anymore.

I have to say that I believe you are flat-out lying....trying to qualify it with a "might have" does not soften the lie.

I also note that you have evaded the question of how times Gailon called Jim a liar in his phone call to him...

One question at a time, Steffan.

In the post of mine that you quote, I am answering Rosie, I believe, not you. She asked me if I had called Finley on Christmas morning.

From what Gailon says, you have the wrong callee and the wrong holiday. But like I said, I'm not banking on hearsay either way.

 

[steffanphilip]

My dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

I fully understand, and have used, the adversarial approach to settle disputes in a court of law. However with that being said I must ask all these questions; Have we, as the Body of Christ, the church, become "worldly" in our approach to problems within the church such as this? Is a public forum the correct place to debate such matters? There has been a great deal of time and effort spent by all on this matter; Have each of you spent the same amount of time and energy in prayer over this?

I do not ask these qustions to offend anyone. I only ask them because the tenor of this thread, as well other threads, seems to be lacking in a spirit of brotherly love and makes me wonder WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc

My dear brother,

I agree.

I took that advice back in Septermber 2006 on the BSDA forum. I have been happily cruising along in this forum and then what do I see? The same allegations, gossip and lies from BSDA that they want to spread here!

If anything, I have to speak up to let this group know that they can't go around poisoning this forum too.

Is this Christian? Sometimes, I too, wonder - and then realize that people, in the guise of upholding a ministry, are actively engaged in trying to tear it down.

 

[Pickle]

Regarding your other question, Steffan, how do you know how long the phone call was? And if you note Jim's original comments that I responded to on that point, you will see that he was excusing his not letting Gailon talk by claiming that Gailon had called him a liar. My point was that that was not the case. Jim was already having trouble letting Gailon talk before Gailon decided to let Jim know that what he had stated was a lie.

 

[tomatoe]

No, Tall, there was no business meeting. The pastor of the Springfield church acted unilaterally to impose on the Linda the dicipline of being barred from participation in anything other than attendance.

Let's not make it confusing for Tall. You are talking soley about the Springfield church. We were talking about The Thompsonvill Church of which Linda was orginally a member and would they have transferred her membership with censure.

 

[djconklin]

A quote from BSDA:

"... it's a downright shame and terrible way for God's"professed" people to opperate. The rest of the world is gonna look at this garbage and hiss and scorn us and not want anything to do with such unloving judgmental scandalmongers."

And we wonder why people aren't beating the doors down to join!

And we wonder why people leave as fast as they come in?!?

I certainly wouldn't have joined if I had known that people who claim to be Chriostaisn acted like the stuff I've seen here--oops, gotta go the squirrel wants his peanuts! He comes up on the window sill now!

 

[tomatoe]

And who did the eating or paying?

It is quite possible that Danny got no royalties and 3ABN lost money on the whole thing.

If so, then great. They used the money of donors who had given to the ministry in a wonderful way. That is admirable. It is the donor's money either way, either previous donors or current ones who were defraying costs.

The implication is that Pickle is suggesting that Danny did get royalties and therefore might have used the non-for profit to profit, which could get into other issues.

I have no clue if this happened or not.

Yes and my question is why does Pickle care anyway. If something was not handled appropriately that will be for the IRS to figure out. IMO If done correctly (and it can be done correctly where it doesn't risk non profit status) I see nothing wrong with Danny and Mrs. Quinn getting royalties anyway. The bible says a man is worthy of his hire. Most everything else he has put out has been given to 3abn so if they did make some royalties on this book, so what?

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Let's not make it confusing for Tall. You are talking soley about the Springfield church. We were talking about The Thompsonvill Church of which Linda was orginally a member and would they have transferred her membership with censure.

She was not censured in Thompsonville either.

 

[steffanphilip]

Regarding your other question, Steffan, how do you know how long the phone call was? And if you note Jim's original comments that I responded to on that point, you will see that he was excusing his not letting Gailon talk by claiming that Gailon had called him a liar. My point was that that was not the case. Jim was already having trouble letting Gailon talk before Gailon decided to let Jim know that what he had stated was a lie.

Do you really need to ask?

You know very well that I believe Jim's words over your words. You would know that I can receive information outside this forum. You would know all that and yet....

But you still continue to mislead and evade the question.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

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The pastor of the Springfield church acted unilaterally to impose on the Linda the dicipline of being barred from participation in anything other than attendance.

i believe the pastor of the springfield chruch is on 3abn

 

[tomatoe]

No they did not, and there was no censure.

Again, that would be because she/you never requested the transfer after that. If it was no problem and the membership transfer could have been done without censure then why did she/you join another church by proffesion of faith and when a simple transfer would do?

 

[Pickle]

I see nothing wrong with Danny and Mrs. Quinn getting royalties anyway.

That's not the issue. The issue is whether we've got a conflict of interest that could jeopardize 3ABN's tax-exempt status, and whether we've got fraud.