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Bonedealer, you forgot to tell our readers that John Lomacang promised me on September 1 that I could see the hundreds of hours of phone card phone records that would certainly not prove that Linda committed fornication. He promised me that I and whomever I brought with me could see them. But it was only a week later or so before indications were that that promise would be broken.

Yet in reality, John Lomacang was either lying or giving evidence that Danny had broken the law when he told me that he had personally seen those phone records.

Feel free to post here any emails from Danny that you think exonerate him. But I think it is fairly clear to all our readers that Danny did indeed say that the marriage was over because Linda had hidden his gun.

She apparently was afraid for her safety and was advised to hide his gun. That ticked him off so badly, as did any hint by Dr. Abrahamsen that he had mental problems, that he wrote Linda's relative and said that the marriage was over.

Spin it any way you wish, it still says what it says.
 
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Poll Results so far.

77%+ think danny is lying
11%+ both are lying
11%+ its just a big misunderstanding

I would make a guess the reason your poll is so lopsided is that the ones that defend 3abn have not taken your poll. I and I think several others see absolutely no point. What does it matter if your side comes out on top or our side does? Does it change anything? Does it make a difference in the real scope of the situation? Hardly. If 100% of your poll takers support Linda and 0 % of Danny supporters take it, your results are 100% of nothing. The results are not very accurate if non of us choose to take it.
 
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I can't speak for Rosie either, but I can say that there are people who are so afraid of what Gailon Joy and Bob Pickle have to say that they would like nothing more than to shut them down. Are you that afraid of them, tomatoe? How about you, Steffan? Are you so afraid of Joy and Pickle that you can't wait to see them shut down? Does what they say frighten you to the point that you have to see them go away?

It is hard to respond to your post when one has no idea what you are talking about.
First of all, why would anyone be afraid of Pickle and Joy? It appears to me that they lack credibility, ethical standards or any kind of valid credentials to do what they are doing.
Maybe it would be wise to step back, take a few breaths, put your personal bitterness aside and join the real world.
This is exactly why it is wrong for this kind of gossip and slander to be told on the internet. When you were little did you ever play the game of "telling a secret" where you repeat a secret to those around the room and by the time it gets to the last person it is completely different than the original secret? That is what has happened and is happening here. People have taken a few accusations that could have been laid to rest if handled correctly, and turned them into anything and everything including murder!!! It has become so that anything done by 3abn administration would be labeled as corrupted, wrong, illegal, immoral...etc
Folks remove the chains that keep you bound in this mob mentality mode. This is a christian ministry we speak of that was won thousands of people to truth. This is not "the darkside"
 
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God wins people to himself... we need to be careful that we do not take credit for something we have no control over.... no human can ever claim that they won someone to God.... that is totally disrespectful to God and smacks of pride....

(1Co 3:4) When some of you say, "I follow Paul" and others say, "I follow Apollos," aren't you acting like sinful humans?

(1Co 3:5) Who is Apollos? Who is Paul? They are servants who helped you come to faith. Each did what the Lord gave him to do.

(1Co 3:6) I planted, and Apollos watered, but God made it grow.

(1Co 3:7) So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is important because only God makes it grow.

(1Co 3:8) The one who plants and the one who waters have the same goal, and each will receive a reward for his own work.
 
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Danny,

Could you please tell us how much royalty was paid by whom to whom for the TCTR book? I know you said last year that you didn't want to disclose any of that until after you and Linda have finished splitting up your property.

But that suggests that you are trying to rip her off of what the courts would say is her due. And that would then be a violation of the very 10 Commandments the book is all about. That wouldn't be right, would it? So why not let's get it all out in the open now, instead of waiting until after the settlement.
 
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But surely you're having a conference right now with noahswife, kevin aka Mr. J, clay, pricess di, gailon, linda, sister, fran, mozart, but my-oh-my, where did you people come from?

Hi there Steffan:wave:

Just in case you are wondering, I have only talked to one of these individuals once in my life so you seem to be projecting again.

As for you dealing in documented facts. You seem to have documented yourself as a liar since you just can't stop talking.

You said to me:
In September 2006 I made my last post on BSDA and if I remember correctly said that I am leaving that "nasty swamp" for good. I pointed out, on BSDA, the kind of slime and nastiness that you consider "truth." I said it loud and clear on BSDA.

I have no idea whether I'm still a member and I definitely would never post on BSDA. I said I was leaving the swamp and I kept my word.

Don't your "friends" at BSDA keep you informed about who is accessing BSDA?

Since Mozart was not a member of BSDA until very recently, how could you possibly know about Mozart posting at BSDA unless you had either been there or you are conferencing with someone else who is?

Care to unpack that one for us?
 
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SP, you need to get one thing very straight, no matter which side you are on. that one thing is that no one is slamming the 3ABN ministry. no one wants to tear down, destroy or eradicate the 3ABN ministry. this is about INDIVIDUALS ! if you care for the 3ABN ministry, then try to remember to separate the two. TY

Truthmagnet,
I expected more from you than to align yourself with the atacking side like this. The vitriol that has come as outright attacks comes in the name of saving 3ABN but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows this is not the case. Go back and read some of this diatribe the attackers have been putting out. Linda made a statement to Danny that she would do what ever it took to bring him and 3ABN down. Many attackers have repeatedly said that donations to the ministry should be witheld until Danny steps down. That is an attempt to bring it down folks, plain and simple.

The lies that has been spread on this forum and the way they have been done is evidence to me who is behind all of this. A marriage gone bad should never be the subject of 53 pages of cyber ink on an SDA forum on the internet. This is rediculous folks, this should have all been handled by the local church not this platform. I have said this before but anyone who is genuinely interested in rectifying a wrong and who is following the council of Christ wouldn't be doing this, look at Matt 18.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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Truthmagnet,
I expected more from you than to align yourself with the atacking side like this. The vitriol that has come as outright attacks comes in the name of saving 3ABN but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows this is not the case. Go back and read some of this diatribe the attackers have been putting out. Linda made a statement to Danny that she would do what ever it took to bring him and 3ABN down. Many attackers have repeatedly said that donations to the ministry should be witheld until Danny steps down. That is an attempt to bring it down folks, plain and simple.

The lies that has been spread on this forum and the way they have been done is evidence to me who is behind all of this. A marriage gone bad should never be the subject of 53 pages of cyber ink on an SDA forum on the internet. This is rediculous folks, this should have all been handled by the local church not this platform. I have said this before but anyone who is genuinely interested in rectifying a wrong and who is following the council of Christ wouldn't be doing this, look at Matt 18.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Jim, I agree. I have read where some even try to get churches to cancel visits or rally's by the 3abn people. How can this not be hurting the ministry itself? I am sure that many of the people that have been influenced negatively will never return as supporters of 3abn no matter what happens. Because of the allegations that have been spread as fact, there will be plenty who won't support no matter who is in charge.
Those that have been responsible for this can spew their jargon that they don't want to hurt the ministry. Truth is, they have and are inflicting a great wound that will never totally heal.
 
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Jim,

There are a number of problems with your post, which suggests that you may not really be Jim from Bartlesville after all.
Linda made a statement to Danny that she would do what ever it took to bring him and 3ABN down.
Thus far I have yet to either read or hear Linda saying this. Do you have some source we are not privy to, or are you taking someone else's word for it without verifying that she really said this?

The lies that has been spread on this forum ...
Please list the lies. Please be specific. I will personally request whomever has lied to make things right. But I think your vague accusation without specifics is just another attempt by Danny to muddy up things.

A marriage gone bad should never be the subject of 53 pages of cyber ink on an SDA forum on the internet.

Jim, a marriage gone bad has not been made the subject of 53 pages here. You are exaggerating. Count it for yourself and see how many pages deal with the marriage, and how many pages deal with Tommy or finances or whatever else.

And truthfully, I object to lumping in Danny's refusal to disclose his profits from the TCTR book into the marriage question, since that very same question represents a conflict of interest and could cost 3ABN its tax exempt status.
 
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Jesus Christ , when He was here told us that "By their fruits ye shall know them". Well, lets look at some fruits shall we.

Danny Shelton:

1. Danny Shelton ,a common man and a carpenter who followed the bidding of the Holy Spirit to build a ministry to counteract the counterfeit. For over 20 years now Danny Shelton has devoted his life to building and maintaining the world's only real truth message T.V. station. The SDA general conference didn't do it, and even though there were many discouraging words Danny went foward in faith and it was the faith of a man of God like Danny that brought this ministry to life. I highly recommend reading "Mending Broken People" by Kay Kuzma if you want to see some fantastic miracles that caused this ministry to be what it is today.

2.Danny and this ministry and it's programs have been responsible for bringing thousands to Christ world wide and even whole Sunday keeping churches are now keeping the Sabbath because of the work of this ministry.

3. 3ABN has nearly every week offers free literature on the Thursday 3ABN Live program such as books/booklets to anyone who would call in that spreads the gospel and helps folks live a better/heathier life.

This is not even scatching the service of the fruits of Danny and 3ABN but lets look at some of the fruits of the attackers now.

Bob Pickle:

1. I don't know Bob Pickle too well but I understand he is an ordained minister in the SDA church. From my dialogue so far with Mr. Pickle I have seen him misstate and use statements made by Danny Shelton out of context to misrepresent the facts, or to put it bluntly he has lied a lot. Using primarily hear-say evidence to impune a man of God and his ministry. Mr. Pickle has made personal attacks against me and nearly anyone who has disagreed with him.

2. Bob Pickle, even though being a minister , has refused to do the bidding of Christ on how to handle disputes and problems with brother's and sister's in the church as outlined in Matt 18.

3. Bob Pickle has allied himself with those who have called for the withdrawal of funds from 3ABN.

4. Bob Pickle, Gailon Joy and Daryl Fawcet, have crusaded to assassinate Danny's character by misapplying statements taken out of the context of what Danny has said, i.e. hiding the gun as a reason for divorce and that Danny admitted he had no Bilbical grounds for divorce.


Again, I could go on and on cutting and pasting quotes where they have misrepresented the facts or misapplied a statement to mean something other than what it actually meant. IOW, this isn't even scratching the service either.

Again, I appeal to common sense here. Who is making the most noise on all of this. Who started this whole fiasco really? It seems odd to me that over a year and a half went by since Danny and Linda's divorce before this all came to a head. What took you guys so long to get mad? Look deep into your hearts and think about the spirit that may be driving your hate right now. Is Christ about hate and contention?

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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Because of the allegations that have been spread as fact, there will be plenty who won't support no matter who is in charge.
We should give credit where credit is due.

It was Danny whom Walt said told him that the Tommy Shelton child molestation allegations were 30 years old. It was Danny whom Walt said told him that the allegations were all due to a feud with Dryden when they clearly weren't.

Thus it is Danny's choices that have hurt 3ABN more than anything else.
 
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Jim,

There are a number of problems with your post, which suggests that you may not really be Jim from Bartlesville after all.

Thus far I have yet to either read or hear Linda saying this. Do you have some source we are not privy to, or are you taking someone else's word for it without verifying that she really said this?


Please list the lies. Please be specific. I will personally request whomever has lied to make things right. But I think your vague accusation without specifics is just another attempt by Danny to muddy up things.



Jim, a marriage gone bad has not been made the subject of 53 pages here. You are exaggerating. Count it for yourself and see how many pages deal with the marriage, and how many pages deal with Tommy or finances or whatever else.

And truthfully, I object to lumping in Danny's refusal to disclose his profits from the TCTR book into the marriage question, since that very same question represents a conflict of interest and could cost 3ABN its tax exempt status.

Mr. Pickle Let me ask you, are you an ordained minister?
 
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