3abn Continued

[bonedealer]

robert is not quoting danny, he is misquoting danny and manipulating the words to achieve his goals . . . you assume that robert has provided emails in their entirety when the evidence is that he edits them to change context or eliminate context so that he can make them say what he wants to . . . he has done so on a number of internet sites as well as the website where he writes . . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

tomatoe, i don't know where you get your information but you must be very close to the source to know all those details and state them as the facts & the truth.
you called mr. pickle a liar. how can you do that when he is just quoting what danny said in this very email that he even made instantly available by the links within his post. how can that be a lie, etc. when it's right there in the email? i think you owe him an apology.

 

[tomatoe]

Rosie,

In light of your kind post, I'd like to ask you a question: Do you have any suggestions on how we can arrive at as positive as possible of a resolution for all of this, a resolution that truly comes to grips with the problems people are perceiving?

I think it is safe to say that all concerned, including you, want a resolution that will be best for 3ABN. Any suggestions?

I can't speak for Rosie but I have some suggestions.
In my opinion, the first thing that would have to happen would be for you and Mr. Joy to back out of the whole picture and shut down your tabloid style site.
Then if someone credible like some leaders in the conference or some well respected ministers like Doug B. or Mark F or David A. and there are several others wanted to form a committee, go to 3abn and have all the questions answered that they want answered, I think it would resolve a lot. After their questions are answered and any evidence shown, they could come to their conclusions and then make a public statement as to what those conclusions are.
As bone dealer would say...just my 2 cents.

 

[Pickle]

bonedealer,

There were no ellipses in that email I just posted about Danny calling the marriage quits because Linda hid his gun, and it is because it is in its entirety.

Why don't you post the original and show us all what part you think got left out?

 

[Pickle]

I can't speak for Rosie but I have some suggestions.
In my opinion, the first thing that would have to happen would be for you and Mr. Joy to back out of the whole picture and shut down your tabloid style site.
Then if someone credible like some leaders in the conference or some well respected ministers like Doug B. or Mark F or David A. and there are several others wanted to form a committee, go to 3abn and have all the questions answered that they want answered, I think it would resolve a lot. After their questions are answered and any evidence shown, they could come to their conclusions and then make a public statement as to what those conclusions are.
As bone dealer would say...just my 2 cents.

Now I want everyone to notice exactly what tomatoe has proposed:

• Get the folks who are asking the questions out of the picture.
• Put in their stead people who aren't asking questions.
• Put in their stead people who may have a conflict of interest in 3ABN's favor.
• Have them look at the evidence and release only the conclusions.
• Thus ensure that Linda's request that the evidence against her be released will never be fulfilled.

Can anyone doubt that tomatoe is Danny or a relative of his or someone who is extremely biased in his favor?

The process tomatoe proposes will never guarantee that the questions people have will be answered, since no evidence, no proof of any of Danny's claims will ever see the light of day.

 

[tomatoe]

Tomatoe, are you Danny? If not, are you one of his relatives?

The reason I ask is that the detail in your last post regarding Danny and Linda's interaction is not something the average person would write. It's kind of like Bystander going on a lengthy, Danny-like diatribe against Linda, calling her "crazy as a fox." The average person who is not Danny and is unrelated to Danny is just not going to write stuff like that.

Mr. Pickle, Are you joking with me? You must be. After everything that has been allowed to be written on the internet, there isn't any inside information left from what I can see. You no longer have to be an insider to know details. All you have to do is read the posts.

 

[noahswife]

Tomatoe, are you Danny? If not, are you one of his relatives?

The reason I ask is that the detail in your last post regarding Danny and Linda's interaction is not something the average person would write. It's kind of like Bystander going on a lengthy, Danny-like diatribe against Linda, calling her "crazy as a fox." The average person who is not Danny and is unrelated to Danny is just not going to write stuff like that.

Bob,

It also resembles the rant that Aletheia went on this past saturday night: http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13079&view=findpost&p=189184

Then she claims that she has seen the divorce papers at: http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13079&view=findpost&p=189220

And yet, how many times did she claim at BSDA that she had never met Danny? http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=12418&view=findpost&p=183877

 

[noahswife]

Now I want everyone to notice exactly what tomatoe has proposed:

• Get the folks who are asking the questions out of the picture.
• Put in their stead people who aren't asking questions.
• Put in their stead people who may have a conflict of interest in 3ABN's favor.
• Have them look at the evidence and release only the conclusions.
• Thus ensure that Linda's request that the evidence against her be released will never be fulfilled.

Can anyone doubt that tomatoe is Danny or a relative of his or someone who is extremely biased in his favor?

The process tomatoe proposes will never guarantee that the questions people have will be answered, since no evidence, no proof of any of Danny's claims will ever see the light of day.

Bob,

Why does this remind me of some of the proposals I read regarding ASI's previously proposed involvement in this matter?

 

[truthmagnet]

Not paying attention again? The judge writes that Linda "insisted." I now reflect on that word "insisted" and wonder how and why the judge chose that word. Surely not because she "insisted" on telling a lie?

Of course, we would never allow that kind of lying standard to anybody else. People who answered honestly and logically and had their replies distorted and misrepresented? Noooooo. You would never do that, would you?

this will be my last response to your posts.
why didn't you post the entire quote you gave in reference to this SP? because you were trying to deceive readers? well i've posted it below here so people will see the only time the word "insisted" was used was when linda mentioned the 800 number. that doesn't make her a liar.
the 800 number has been around for a very long time SP, but you probably know that, right?
it was used for all kinds of things in the past. to the best of my recollection, it was the number posted at the bottom of the screen for years. i'm not sure when they started trying to get people to use the long distance number for things other than prayer but it hasn't always been the same procedure, to my knowledge and i've been a loyal viewer of 3ABN for 10yrs. i can see how the question to her might have been confusing and/or convoluted and/or misunderstood since the procedure had changed. the question, as stated in your post, wasn't specific and i'm not quite sure why it was even asked. what does the 800 number have to do with anything?


Originally Posted by steffanphilip
The judge wrote this about Linda. I have not added a single word. Please refer to the highlights.

I have included the text from pages 32 and 33.

In addition, there is discrepancy in the testimony of Linda Shelton. She stated she did not
receive royalty payments for the CDs (Tr. pp. 595, 617) and later admitted that she did (Tr. p.
619). The CD admitted into evidence, entitled “I think About Grace”, has a copyright mark on
it. (Applicant’s Ex. No. 24). Broadcast Music Incorporated, a private company unaffiliated with
applicant, licenses her songs. (Tr. pp. 617-620). The songs on the CD belong to Linda, and were
copyrighted by her in 2001. (Tr. pp. 620-623). Linda insisted that the (800) area code, toll free
telephone number is strictly for prayer requests (Tr. p. 608, 612); however, it is the number listed
on the inside label of her CD that was admitted into evidence. The (800) telephone number is
listed for ordering additional CDs. The outside label had the (618) area code telephone number
listed with the address of applicant. Applicant’s Fall/Winter 2001-2002 newsletter has an
advertisement for Linda Shelton’s new CD, “I Think About Grace.” The advertisement has the
toll free number listed for orders. (Intervenor’s Ex. No. 8; Applicant’s Ex. No. 24; Tr. pp. 644-

 

[Pinkpanther007]

I can't speak for Rosie but I have some suggestions.
In my opinion, the first thing that would have to happen would be for you and Mr. Joy to back out of the whole picture and shut down your tabloid style site.
Then if someone credible like some leaders in the conference or some well respected ministers like Doug B. or Mark F or David A. and there are several others wanted to form a committee, go to 3abn and have all the questions answered that they want answered, I think it would resolve a lot. After their questions are answered and any evidence shown, they could come to their conclusions and then make a public statement as to what those conclusions are.
As bone dealer would say...just my 2 cents.

I can't speak for Rosie either, but I can say that there are people who are so afraid of what Gailon Joy and Bob Pickle have to say that they would like nothing more than to shut them down. Are you that afraid of them, tomatoe? How about you, Steffan? Are you so afraid of Joy and Pickle that you can't wait to see them shut down? Does what they say frighten you to the point that you have to see them go away?

 

[truthmagnet]

Now I want everyone to notice exactly what tomatoe has proposed:

• Get the folks who are asking the questions out of the picture.
• Put in their stead people who aren't asking questions.
• Put in their stead people who may have a conflict of interest in 3ABN's favor.
• Have them look at the evidence and release only the conclusions.
• Thus ensure that Linda's request that the evidence against her be released will never be fulfilled.

Can anyone doubt that tomatoe is Danny or a relative of his or someone who is extremely biased in his favor?

The process tomatoe proposes will never guarantee that the questions people have will be answered, since no evidence, no proof of any of Danny's claims will ever see the light of day.

well the suggestion is a moot point anyway. it's idealistic and would never happen.

 

[noahswife]

Hey steffan and bonedealer!

So glad you enjoyed giving me a CF rating of 1. Have you enjoyed my posts that much? I had no clue what a CF rating even was until I saw you leave your feedback on my homepage. A moderator told me they had turned that feature off to avoid such spiteful ratings from people who were mad.

Did you need a conference call or instructions to do that? Did tomatoe not get the memo? Just in case, I left the feature enabled so you can continue your childish games.

 

[bonedealer]

bonedealer,

There were no ellipses in that email I just posted about Danny calling the marriage quits because Linda hid his gun, and it is because it is in its entirety.

Why don't you post the original and show us all what part you think got left out?

robert, you didn’t edit the email from danny in regards to the “gun incident” this is true . . . though we have no idea if you did or didn't . . . however, you do misrepresent his words and I find it shocking that so many people are blinded by your words . . . here is what is said by danny:

quote: “please advise linda that it is time to leave me and start a new life for herself. anytime that our relationship would degrade to the point that she would listen to such foolish advice as hiding my gun, the relationship is over. in 22 years that i have known her i have never even gotten mad at her enough to shoot a paper wad at her, let alone a real gun. besides you only had her hide one gun and i have two. i will not try to stop her from leaving and going to the doctor. at this point I would welcome it.”

it is so obvious that danny’s words do not indicate that hiding a gun led to the divorce . . . that in fact is an aside to the real point of his email . . . his emphasis is that the relationship had no foundation what so ever, if linda is willing to listen to ridiculous advice such as she got . . . it is also evident that someone was trying to poison the well between danny and linda by putting inane thoughts in linda’s head . . .

now . . . an example of your hack and edit misrepresentation . . . observations from this page from the site you are heavily involved with:

www(dot)save3abn(dot)com(slash)danny(hyphen)shelton(hyphen)untruths(hyphen)car(hyphen)title(hyphen)1(dot)htm

here are robert's claims:

• danny repeatedly claims to have evidence of linda's affair that he will not show to gailon.
• he has "numerous witnesses" but doesn't name a one.
• whatever evidence he does describe in this letter he admits is not proof of adultery.
• danny claims his divorce and remarriage is the only issue anyone cares about, which of course is not true.
• danny says he has never publicly exposed linda, but what he has done would incline not a few to beg to differ.
• danny asserts that linda is a polished liar who doesn't wiggle or squirm, but we wonder if a different Shelton might appropriately be described this way.

now let’s look at each one . . .

1. danny, nor 3abn, has any obligation and in fact wisely has chosen not to share the evidence with gailon or robert . . . not that they won't share it with the right individuals, just they will not share it with these two . . . the quote from danny is:

quote: "i can tell you now that i will not make certain evidence about linda and the arild's affair available to you."

robert's seeming insinuation that because gailon asks for it, danny should turn it over is the MO of gailon (and bob as time has evolved) . . . they both feel as if they should have special privilege and access to any and all information about anyone.

2. again . . . why would anyone, who is the target of a concerted effort to destroy what they have worked so hard (with God) to establish . . . provide information to a couple of individuals who have made it clear by their words and actions that they desire to bring 3abn down . . . for robert to state this the way he does is an extreme arrogance on his part . . . he does indicate that three of his witnesses are private investigators . . . why would he, or anyone at 3abn, offer up these witnesses to these individuals to be harassed and tortured via phone and email . . .

3. this is an example of his hack and post approach to formulating the truth . . . there are obvious deletions before these comments which automatically calls into question any interpretation even further because one can not know if the email is being presented in context or not . . . anything after an edit or deletion becomes suspect . . . here are danny's quotes, again, they may very well be taken out of context because of robert's editing:

quote:"this is not my proof for adultery."

notice danny does not say he doesn't have proof of adultery, only that he does not consider the watch evidence of adultery . . . (as a side note, is adultery only the physical act of sex? or can giving one's emotional heart over to another - not their spouse - be adultery as well?) . . . next quote:

quote:"once again, i realize this alone does not prove adultery on their parts."

now . . . we do not know what the words "this alone" refer to because the email has been edited just prior to this sentence . . . the context is missing which makes it possible to spin it way in which robert desired . . . without context he can make it mean whatever he wants and he has removed context . . .

danny follows this a statement that clearly indicates that he does believe . . . even knows . . . that linda had an adulterous affair (and i question what qualifies as adulterous . . . can it be more than the physical act?):

quote:"i would not do something so stupid as you seem to think I've done to divorce linda without grounds and to re marry and expect my 3abn board and certain church leaders to support me . . ."

so in essence danny makes a truthful claim that the watch is not the evidence of an adulterous affair . . . in other words he is being honest and forthright in his statements and not lying as robert is attempting to portray it . . . as to the second instance, we don't know what is being referred to . . . and because it is presented out of context one has to wonder if context would give an entirely different meaning to the quote than the one robert attributes to it . . .

4. let's look at the section robert uses for this:

quote: ". . . i am going to keep focused on one main concern that many people have . . . . did danny have biblical grounds for divorce from linda and the the biblical grounds for re marriage?"

the first note must be that, here again robert has edited the email . . . what is the context? we don't know . . can't know . . . unless the entire email is published so we can see the context . . . this alone makes this a baseless claim because it could be as much a potential lie as the potential truth . . . robert is manipulating the email to serve his purpose . . . robert uses the word "claim" (claim being defined as, "to assert or maintain as a fact") and it is obvious that danny makes no claim here . . . but rather indicates he is going to give his personal direction and then via editing robert makes it look as if danny is "claiming" that the only thing people are interested in is his marriage/divorce/remarriage . . . this is a blatant manipulation of the email because of the edit prior to the clip and the one in the middle . . .

5. this one is laughable in that in number 1, robert claims that danny has not provided the incriminating evidence and here he says he has "exposed" linda . . . if he had exposed her then the evidence would be out there and we know that the evidence is still held by 3abn to be used in any up coming court cases . . . at this point, i can't imagine how robert or gailon could even think that they would have their questions answered as we know that legal recourse is pending.

6. isn't anything more than a weakly veiled shot at danny.

there are other examples of misappropriation such as this . . . all you have to do is look without looking for something to find fault with 3abn over . . .

and that is only part of that page . . .

just 2 cents from the bonedealer

 

[Pinkpanther007]

There is much yet to be seen, but of what has already been seen, I know that Danny has committed acts of fraud that he will encounter again. He has lied to the court, and he will face those lies in the most miserable of circumstances that he could imagine. He will be facing lies that he never thought would be brought to light. He thought that he could outsmart everyone, but there is a God in heaven who is smarter even than the great Danny Shelton. That God in Heaven has brought into the view of mankind the heinous acts that you have committed in His holy name. "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord they God in vain, for the Lord wil not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain."

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Indeed, Truthmagnet, the 800 number was used on the the screen at 3ABN 24/7 until Linda left. Then they started using it only during business hour in Central Standard Time. 800-752-3226 was the main telephone number for everything at 3ABN until Linda left. Then it was decided that people should have to pay for it if they needed prayer or pastoral counsel. So after business hours they put up 618-627-4651. The Lord's financial blessings were insufficient to cover the cost of after-hours-prayer after Linda left.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Done taken the poll. Danny? Liar!!!!

Pretty simple, that one.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Poll Results so far.

77%+ think danny is lying
11%+ both are lying
11%+ its just a big misunderstanding

 

[Adventist Dissident]

no one thinks linda alone is lying. hum

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Poll Results so far.

87%+ think danny is lying
11%+ both are lying
11%+ its just a big misunderstanding

Huh? That 109%

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Huh? That 109%

my bad. it's 77%+. that should do it.

 

[Pinkpanther007]

Oh, OK, that works! Well, Icedragon, this Panther is headed for bed. Going to curl up in the panther den and sleep like a cat.