2024 Conference on the 8th Council

[abacabb3]

you don’t need Rome if Rome had been heretical for 300 years

You don't, but Ecumenical is a specific sort of definition. The council of Jerusalem in 50 ad was not Ecumenical but no less authoritative

 

[ArmyMatt]

You don't, but Ecumenical is a specific sort of definition. The council of Jerusalem in 50 ad was not Ecumenical but no less authoritative

I agree that an Ecumenical Council has a definition, but I disagree with how you are defining it. IV Constantinople was initially rejected by Rome, then accepted by Rome, then rejected again prior to the Schism. if Rome is needed, we can’t ever call it an Ecumenical Council.

 

[abacabb3]

I agree that an Ecumenical Council has a definition, but I disagree with how you are defining it. IV Constantinople was initially rejected by Rome, then accepted by Rome, then rejected again prior to the Schism. if Rome is needed, we can’t ever call it an Ecumenical Council.

Well, Constantinople 1848 speaks of 7 and 8 councils, so that back and forth has precedent!

But in all seriousness, I'd say the say of someone in schism becomes irrelevant.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Well, Constantinople 1848 speaks of 7 and 8 councils, so that back and forth has precedent!

But in all seriousness, I'd say the say of someone in schism becomes irrelevant.

sure, but the precedent isn’t any need for Rome if Rome has left the Church. and you are right that at the time of Palamas, Rome was irrelevant.