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[2009-06-15] Change Is Possible for Gays, Says Psychologist

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Very good article.

[2009-06-15] Change Is Possible for Gays, Says Psychologist

Change Is Possible for Gays, Says Psychologist



APA Admits Homosexuality Also Due to Environmental Factors


By Genevieve Pollock

ENCINO, California, JUNE 15, 2009 (Zenit.org).- A Catholic psychologist who specializes in reparative therapy with homosexuals says it's possible for those with same-sex attractions to change, despite agenda-driven ideologies that state the opposite.

Joseph Nicolosi, founder and director of the Thomas Aquinas Psychological Clinic in Encino, spoke with ZENIT about his experience as a clinical psychologist and the former president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH).

NARTH, a "scientific, non-religious and non-political" organization, recently put out an article about the little known revision of the American Psychological Association's (APA) statement on homosexuality, which was highlighted last month in a WorldNetDaily article titled "Gay Gene Claim Suddenly Vanishes."

Nicolosi explained that NARTH has been actively working on a research project compiling scientific data to dispute the APA's claim on homosexuality, targeting three unscientific assumptions that form the basis of their policy.

He stated that these erroneous assumptions are: "Psychotherapy does not change homosexuality, trying to change the homosexual person will harm him, and there is no greater pathology in homosexual persons than in heterosexual persons."

The psychologist asserted that the "APA is not governed by scientists, but by political interests."

"There has been no new data to justify their policies," he added, "but they tend to give in to social and political pressure," and thus "NARTH has been putting pressure on them to scientifically back up their stance on the biological nature of homosexuality."

Now, Nicolosi reported, the APA has "diminished its position saying homosexuality is biologically determined." They have dropped the specific reference to a hypothetical "gay gene," he affirmed.

In other words, he said, they are beginning to recognize that homosexuality is also due to environmental factors, not just biological elements.

"In fact," he stated, "I and many of my colleagues at NARTH believe it is more environmental than biological."

Nicolosi noted that "the most important scientific information" gives "much more evidence for environmental causes of homosexuality than for biological."

Possible

The most essential point however, the psychologist affirmed, "is that change is possible, that men and women can come out of homosexuality."

"This idea of 'once gay, always gay' is a political position, not a scientific position," he added.

The therapist affirmed that he has seen this in his own private practice, and that it is also substantiated in a body of scientific research.

Nicolosi, also the author of "Healing Homosexuality: Case Stories of Reparative Therapy" and "A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality," asserted that many people have already adopted the erroneous assumptions put forth by the APA.

There is a need to assist and minister to men and women "who are looking for help to come out of homosexuality," he said, "because so many times they are just told 'Well, you're born this way,' pointing to the APA and saying 'because they said it.'"

He expressed the hope that as the APA recognizes the efficacy of therapy with homosexual persons, more psychologists will be encouraged to be involved in this type of treatment.

"Within our profession," the psychologist explained, "we trump politics with science." In other words, if we challenge the APA with scientific data, it "has to override any political or special interest forces."

The therapist emphasized the need for all people to share this message with homosexual persons that "you don't have to be gay."

Encouragement

If you know a homosexual person, he said, "encourage that person, educate him, give that person information, take the opportunity to let him know that choice is possible."

"They need to believe it," he added.

Nicolosi explained: "It is a very hard therapy. First of all, it is hard in itself because you have to dig deep into emotional issues. Homosexuality is not about sexual issues, but emotional. There are the emotional underpinnings that have to be addressed.

"Then not only are you having to deal with those emotional underpinnings that are challenging on an individual level, but you have the other battle of a culture that is saying to you, 'You're homophobic; you're naïve; you're not facing reality; you're just a guilt-ridden Christian, get with it.

"You're fighting a culture that is not supporting you, plus you have your own individual battle. So it's a two-front war."

"With the AIDS epidemic, this could be about life and death here," he asserted. "We're not talking about something insignificant."

The psychologist underlined the need to "inform and educate young people."

He explained: "So when a 15-year-old boy goes to a priest and says, 'Father I have these feelings, I have these temptations,' that priest should say, 'you have a choice; if you don't want to be gay there are things that you can do.'"

"The boy should not to be told, 'God made you this way,'" Nicolosi said.

Scientific data

He continued: "This is not about going after an oppressed minority. It's not about pointing out pathology for the sake of pointing out pathology.

"This is telling young people, look, if you go down this road, you are likely to have a higher level of depression, anxiety, failed relationships, sexual promiscuity, drug and alcohol abuse than people who live their lives heterosexually. You will get involved in more, to be polite, esoteric exotic sexual practices. It goes on and on and on.

"And that's just science, simply a comparison of two groups."

The therapist added, "This notion that you are going to fall in love with a man and live happily ever after is Hollywood. The reality is that it's a hard lifestyle."

Nicolosi, also a national speaker on the topic, urged the development of more Catholic programs, noting that other faiths have already been putting forth a "vital ministry helping people coming out of homosexuality."

"Our doctrine is clear," he said, "and even if we have a weaker ministry, our doctrine on homosexuality is more brilliant than anything the Protestant denominations can come up with."

The psychologist specifically referenced a 1986 document signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became Pope, addressed to the Catholic bishops "On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons."

In the letter, the cardinal, at that time prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, outlined the moral underpinnings and practical considerations of the pastoral care of "those whose suffering can only be intensified by error and lightened by truth."

In this light, Nicolosi underlined the importance of helping homosexual persons who want to change, because "if you are Christian, you have to believe that you are intended for the opposite sex" and that "sexual complementarity is part of the natural law."

This is something that "should be evident to everyone," as "our Christian anthropology," he stated, and yet "it is amazing" how many people are confused about this.

"They actually believe, or want to believe, either for personal reasons or political reasons, that God created two kinds of people: homosexuals and heterosexuals," Nicolosi noted.

"It is seeping into the consciousness without critical evaluation," he cautioned, the resignation that "God just made them that way."

Courage

The psychologist appealed to priests to not be intimidated to teach about homosexuality from the pulpit, noting that he has met many Catholics who are "discouraged that there is no resource for them."

"We have Courage as the only orthodox Catholic ministry, and it's underfunded, underrepresented and essentially pushed to the side," he stated.

He reported that "Courage is only represented in 10% of the parishes in this country" and thus many "men and women who want to come out of homosexuality" are left without resources on a local level, making it "very tough for them."

Nicolosi suggested that if a priest is working with a homosexual person and is uncertain about how to help, to refer him to a reparative therapist, "who really knows about this particular kind of treatment."

"Not to just any generic psychotherapist," he added, "but to a therapist who has training in sexual re-orientation change."

Referencing Cardinal Ratzinger's letter, he warned against a "studied ambiguity" in the face of the real need homosexual persons have for outreach from the Church.

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On the Net:

National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality Web site: www.narth.com

Cardinal Ratzinger's Letter: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html
 
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I guess this is great considering that the Church holds a homosexual orientation as being intrinsically and objectively evil because it leads one to sin.

However, the Church also differentiates between a 'gay' lifestyle' and a homosexual orientation. The Church also holds that sexual relations outside marriage is a worse sin for same sex couples as their relationship can never be made right in the eyes of God like can be done for heterosexuals.

Anyway- regardless if change is possible or not, there is no gay loophole for homosexuals when it comes to adultery, fornication, scandal. There is no license to sin whether you are hetero, homosexual, pedophile... whatever.
 
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I guess this is great considering that the Church holds a homosexual orientation as being intrinsically and objectively evil because it leads one to sin.

However, the Church also differentiates between a 'gay' lifestyle' and a homosexual orientation. The Church also holds that sexual relations outside marriage is a worse sin for same sex couples as their relationship can never be made right in the eyes of God like can be done for heterosexuals.

Anyway- regardless if change is possible or not, there is no gay loophole for homosexuals when it comes to adultery, fornication, scandal. There is no license to sin whether you are hetero, homosexual, pedophile... whatever.

The APA changed the classification in the DSM-IV from being a disorder to a condition genetic and biological in nature back in the early 90's I think (need to verify) which had severe ramifications among therapists and the beliefs of the world on the true nature of the disposition right on down the line to attacking the natural law in the institution of marriage that we have seen several states fall for.

Even influence within the Church, which I suspect accounted for some of the lessening of restrictions in determining if clergy were being admitted with said disorder. We all know how that turned out.

Its a breath of fresh air to find the APA admitting they were wrong!

People still believe the disorder is potentially biological because of the harm the propaganda of the APA has done. This is big news and needs to get out.
 
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"There has been no new data to justify their policies," he added, "but they tend to give in to social and political pressure," and thus "NARTH has been putting pressure on them to scientifically back up their stance on the biological nature of homosexuality."
This is really the bane of social science much more than is the case in the natural sciences, with the possible execption fo global warming and other hot button issues.

Social sciences on the other hand are invariably subject to the influence of those with a social agenda.

And sometimes it is quite innocent too. Those so motivated will do studies in a certain area, building up a skewed data base in their area of interest according to their wants as much as to any real objective data.
 
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Back when I used to frequent CF more often, when I was first aware of my homosexual orientation, I was told that the Church believes that change isn't possible and that homosexuals should remain celibate in life. This was the overwhelming advice/information given in a multi-page thread.

It was one thing I liked about the Church, as I believe 'change' is damaging and impossible (on a regular basis; God can indeed turn water red or the sky green, but I mean as in it's possible on a regular basis etc., like the ability to boil water is, etc.). This due to my own experiences and the experiences of homosexuals (Catholic, Protestant, as well as atheist) that I know.

And if anyone is curious, I am not sure if I will be celibate or engage in same-sex relations. Feel free to flame me for that, but it's something I struggle with very often. I am so far celibate/a virgin, and that is something I am very proud of. More than I can say for every single one of my friends... (most are heterosexual by the way).

But I know I will not 'change'. I have some experience with it, again.

I'm repeating myself, apologies; so can anyone clarify (particularly old school OBOB, <3) for me? Not just political statements, I mean what the church says/teaches/practices.

I know of Courage, which advocates celibacy for Catholic homosexuals, and know it is 'Church-sanctioned'.
 
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Just my opinion, I find Narth to be a scary group:

Joseph Berger, who serves on NARTH's "Scientific Advisory Board" wrote on the organization's website that gender variant children should be sent to school in opposite-sex clothing so they can be "ridiculed" into conforming.


Dr. Gerald Schoenewolf, penned a polemic on the group's website that seemed to justify slavery and said that African-Americans taken away in chains on slave ships "were in many ways better off than they had been in Africa."
 
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Back when I used to frequent CF more often, when I was first aware of my homosexual orientation, I was told that the Church believes that change isn't possible and that homosexuals should remain celibate in life. This was the overwhelming advice/information given in a multi-page thread.

It was one thing I liked about the Church, as I believe 'change' is damaging and impossible (on a regular basis; God can indeed turn water red or the sky green, but I mean as in it's possible on a regular basis etc., like the ability to boil water is, etc.). This due to my own experiences and the experiences of homosexuals (Catholic, Protestant, as well as atheist) that I know.

And if anyone is curious, I am not sure if I will be celibate or engage in same-sex relations. Feel free to flame me for that, but it's something I struggle with very often. I am so far celibate/a virgin, and that is something I am very proud of. More than I can say for every single one of my friends... (most are heterosexual by the way).

But I know I will not 'change'. I have some experience with it, again.

I'm repeating myself, apologies; so can anyone clarify (particularly old school OBOB, <3) for me? Not just political statements, I mean what the church says/teaches/practices.

I know of Courage, which advocates celibacy for Catholic homosexuals, and know it is 'Church-sanctioned'.


I have walked the same walk as you CeeBee, and I agree, I have never met a person who says they have "changed" who could can withstand a good cross examination.

Keep in mind, the "exgay" movement is an idustry, they are all on continuous booktours, selling tapes, books and magic potions.

But I am proud of you , that your celibate, but also be be very aware, that there are wolves in sheep's clothing, who spend inordinate amounts of time, bringing up Gay issues, which always culminate in telling them that God sees them as evil and disordered. Be savvy and use your discernment around them.

I pray for you on your walk, stay strong, stay close to God, and far away from the evil one.
 
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Anything that is opposed to the sin of chasity is a sin against the sixth or ninth commandments. Such sins include lust, masturbation, fornication, adultery, homsexual acts, pornography, prostitution, rape and incest- A Catechism for Adult Catholics, 1988.

...one who finds himself possessed of a homosexual orientation... needs to avail himself of all the helps and supports possible to live a chaste life in accord with God's will and law, making for spiritual, psychological, and physical well being.
Catholic Answer Book vol 2 Rev Peter M Stravinskas.

God's law for all people: sexual intercourse is reserved for the marital state.

...enunciated Catholic teaching on homosexual activity, that is, that it consititute an objective moral disorder...to state that a particular action is morally problematic is not to engage in "bashing" of any kind... if anyone has a problem with either part of the presentation, his difficulty is not with me but with Christ. Sorry.
-Catholic Answer Book Vol. 1 Rev Peter M Stravinskas.

Sorry if believing in the Churchs moral teaching makes me a wolf in sheeps clothing. If you want understanding that is one thing, if you demand acceptance of an objective immoral lifestyle- then that is another.
 
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I disagree with Dr. Nicolosi's conclusion. Whether homosexuality develops as a result of biological or environmental factors, most people can't reverse or correct their sexual orientation. Frankly, I find it demeaning and insulting when these individuals use choice-language like "come out of homosexuality" and "quit homosexuality." Homosexuality happens to be my cross to bear, and I assure Dr. Nicolosi that this is not just a "preference" like my taste in ice cream or movies.

Unless God wills otherwise, I am prepared to live with this for the rest of my life. It is not so bad when you think about it. It forces you to be totally reliant on God's grace in order to live a life of purity. I would prefer to have the "normal" life of marriage and kids, but God can use anything to His glory. :amen:
 
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I am sick of people saying that those who want to
change are doing so out of "self-hate". Not true.
We simply acknowledged that homosexuality and all
the nuts and bolts connected with it gave us no
purpose or meaning.

We choose to seek something better and not to be
defined by sexual impulses.Some of us choose God,
some personal reflection some us us just an escape,
but to speak truth is in noway the same thing as hating
ourslves. We do not hate but love ourselves and because
of that deep love for oursleves we sought another path!
Our entry into homosexuality was chaotic, and so shall
be our exit!

Laura

This is a quote from the Yahoo exgay message board. It seems every time I have ever seen someone say or be quoted they are 'exgay' the homosexual community here attacks them as being liars or in denial.

Please, give God some credit.
 
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He explained: "So when a 15-year-old boy goes to a priest and says, 'Father I have these feelings, I have these temptations,' that priest should say, 'you have a choice; if you don't want to be gay there are things that you can do.'"

"The boy should not to be told, 'God made you this way,'" Nicolosi said.
That is a very Catholic thing to do actually. It is not to deny the propensity to sin, the temptation, but to emphasize that we who are in made in the image of God are endowed with will, and the ability to transcend our nature.

It is the same struggle for all of us.

Pope Benedict addressed this issue of how science leaves god out of the equation some years back. In this case, it is a godless politicized science that it telling young people that they have no choice in the matter, that their sexual destiny is pre-determined in nature-that 'God' made you this way, and you do not have a say.

There is no human dignity in this message. It is a viewpoint of mankind that leaves us helpless at the whims of our instincts, acting out instinctual drives determined outside of us, and nothing more.

We as Catholics do not need scientists to tell us this is true, no need of scientific experimentation to confirm that human will does not exist, that we are made according to the dictates of nature, and not in the image of a God choosing between good and evil.

We may choose. Sin lurks in the grass like a snake, yet we may overcome. Science does not assure of of this.
But God has.

It is no different for homosexuals than for any one else.
We are all at war with our carnal natures, against flesh dictating who we are rather than the Spirit leading us away from temptations.
 
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I'm repeating myself, apologies; so can anyone clarify (particularly old school OBOB, <3) for me? Not just political statements, I mean what the church says/teaches/practices.

I know of Courage, which advocates celibacy for Catholic homosexuals, and know it is 'Church-sanctioned'.

I feel for your plight. I deal with my own flesh in many ways. I deal with a disordered lack of temperance in many areas. You sound as if your winning the good fight! We are all called to do the same regardless of orientation.

This article comes from reputable sources or I would not have posted it. Its in no way meant to be judgmental, offensive or insulting but to share the APA ramifications.

I do not share your plight however so can only commiserate through a sense of Christian altruism and relative temptations of the heterosexual spectrum and I must admit in that area I am weak and have fallen for the seductions of the world. I have been so weak and suffered so much from that errant path that I wish fornication of any flavor was as denounced as it is by what bigots and the prejudiced do not understand. I think it should be, but as we know, our society glamorizes promiscuity into a norm that the majority fall for.

All that being said, I do not think the Church differentiates based on orientation at all, the mentioned difference is with the natural law, but none in how to cope:

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.


Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

We are all equally called to chastity and I admire your courage. If nothing else, I would hope this article can bring you hope and if not that you are only ever met with understanding from "Christians".

Peace be with you and I sincerely hope you feel accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity here. I believe that is possible without approval.
 
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....We choose to seek something better and not to be
defined by sexual impulses.....
I doubt that this sounds even possible to a teenage boy pumped up on hormones in the hyper-sexualized environment of the modern city.

But everything changes, even our sexuality. The five minutes we spend in the actual sex act with our significant others pales in comparison with the rest of the twenty four hours spent building a real life together complete with all the blessing that the sacrament of marriage can bring.

It is a shame when our natures get in the way with the pleasures that God wants all to enjoy in the sacrament of marriage. Whether it be boys, or blondes or big bosoms that cause us to stumble, this is all just fleeting anyways.

In the end though, our full sexuality is not defined in the five seconds of the 'this won't hurt did it crowd', or even the marathon sessions of the tantrists, but int ethe fecundity of life and love that God has given us through our sexuality.

We must all keep our eyes on the prize. Flesh too may be transcended.
 
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I haved no doubt that it is possible to change behavior, because gay people have been adapting their behavior to fit into society for years. Often their marriages are very troubled, and, lately at least, sometimes spouses have left to form unions with same-sex partners. My friend's brother did this about five years ago, to the shock of his children (who eventually came around and supported his decision.)

It's also possible to beat alcoholism and other dysfunctional addictions, although 12 step groups would say that those who have done so are "recovering" rather than "cured."

50 years ago there was lots of support for the decision to "live a lie" and I think it was easier than the alternative. Nowadays there is little support for that choice, and I just hope that those who make it won't "punish" their spouses, eventually, emotionally abandoning them simply because they are who they are. I hope they would be straight with them, "I am a 'cured' gay man or woman," because at least then their spouses would be in on the 'secret' and alert for the need for counseling, etc.
 
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