2000 silent years - why?

[Sayre]

OK.

What is God saying through the Church at the moment?

 

[~Anastasia~]

OK.

What is God saying through the Church at the moment?

I would say the communication through the Holy Spirit is generally to individual believers.

Not that He is speaking through the Church to the world, unless it is the need for salvation.

 

[ebia]

OK. What is God saying through the Church at the moment?

get off your backside and do something, mostly

 

[Sayre]

get off your backside and do something, mostly

OK lol - that much I can agree with.

 

[ebia]

OK lol - that much I can agree with.

Except I don't think god would be quite as polite about it as CF rules require.

 

[drich0150]

Don't you find it a little odd that God has been silent for 2000 years?

According to the traditional understanding, the canon is closed, and there is no new Scripture. God hasn't given prophesy to the world (at least, not in a way the world has heard). So why?

2000 years is a LONG time, a long silent dry time. Why?

Who says God has been silent for 2000 years? The spiritually deaf?

 

[Sayre]

Who says God has been silent for 2000 years? The spiritually deaf?

Thanks for being a jack donkey.

 

[AFM]

He has a good point though. God can still speak to people and reveal things, though He uses scripture to do so, as all things can be traced back to scripture in our day. There is nothing new under the sun...

 

[drich0150]

Thanks for being a jack donkey.

If you want to hear God just Ask Seek and Knock as outlined in Luke 11.

 

[Sayre]

He has a good point though. God can still speak to people and reveal things, though He uses scripture to do so, as all things can be traced back to scripture in our day. There is nothing new under the sun...

That isn't true.

Solomon wrote that, and there were new revelations after his words were penned. To say "there is nothing new under the sun" is to presume that everything God would say had been said by that date.

If all things can be traced back to scripture, why are people claiming that God told them to do xyz / change jobs / perform some task? This makes no sense.

 

[ViaCrucis]

OK.

What is God saying through the Church at the moment?

Same now as two thousand years ago,

"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe the gospel." - Mark 1:15

-CryptoLutheran

 

[golgotha61]

Solomon wrote that, and there were new revelations after his words were penned. To say "there is nothing new under the sun" is to presume that everything God would say had been said by that date.

Solomon's statement modifies verse 3 ("What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?" (KJV). It is not in reference to revelation by God through His Prophets. Rather, the verse is defining the vanity of what man does in order to elevate the significance of his own existence.

In the Assyrian royal inscriptions is the appearance of boasting about things that the kings had accomplished and their desire to be viewed as significant. These accomplishments were in the form of "quests or conquests." Also in the building or roads, temples, etc. (The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Old Testament. Walton, John H. et al. 571.).

Don't you find it a little odd that God has been silent for 2000 years?

According to the traditional understanding, the canon is closed, and there is no new Scripture. God hasn't given prophesy to the world (at least, not in a way the world has heard). So why?

2000 years is a LONG time, a long silent dry time. Why?

I don't find it odd at all. There is no more for God to reveal about Himself or about the gospel message. What we have is sufficient. Do you need more?

 

[hedrick]

I've heard it said that there were a Jewish sect that predicted that there are 3 periods of 2000 years. They predicted this before Jesus' coming, I believe. The first was without the law, the second was with the law, and the third, this one, is the one with the law completed through Christ.

Another version is that the first 2000 years was the period when the Jews came to understand God the Father. The second 2000 years is when the Church came to understand God the Son. The third 2000 years, starting now, will be the period of the Holy Spirit. Phyllis Tickle has used this in reference to the increasing importance world-wide of charismatic Christianity, something several Church historians have noted (e.g. Alister McGrath and Harvey Cox).

 

[StormHawk]

Don't you find it a little odd that God has been silent for 2000 years?

According to the traditional understanding, the canon is closed, and there is no new Scripture. God hasn't given prophesy to the world (at least, not in a way the world has heard). So why?

2000 years is a LONG time, a long silent dry time. Why?

God deals in covenants. Once it is drawn up it is signed and sealed.

Part of that covenant is to open your (spiritual) ears and eyes so that you can have a Father-son/daughter relationship with God whereby he teaches and fulfills the things recorded in the New Testament (and the Old).

It seems you, like most of "Churchianity" have not yet entered in by receiving what all the disciples received:

"they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues*, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4)

* miraculous unlearned prayer language

So, if you want to hear God's voice, you could come this way.

 

[Sayre]

It seems you, like most of "Churchianity" have not yet entered in by receiving what all the disciples received:

"they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues*, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4)

* miraculous unlearned prayer language

So, if you want to hear God's voice, you could come this way.

We have to talk in tongues to hear what God is saying to the Church today?

What is churchianity?

 

[ebia]

What is churchianity?

A term popular among charismatics and evangelicals to describe forms of church they don't like.

 

[Sayre]

A term popular among charismatics and evangelicals to describe forms of church they don't like.

Ahh thank you.

 

[StormHawk]

We have to talk in tongues to hear what God is saying to the Church today?

Just as a baby cries as the first sign of life, so people speak in tongues when they are born again, "born of the Spirit" (John 3:8, Acts 2:4, 33; 10:44-48; Romans 8:15-16).

Then, and only then are you able to understand spiritual things:

"as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him.. For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God."
(1 Cor. 2:9, 11)

"the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Romans 8:7-9)

What is churchianity?

Pseudo-christianity ... they talk about Christ but are not taught by him, by His Spirit, so it results in disappointment for people like you that go to them.

Jesus humbly asks that you visit people that are like the church he set up, he is confirming he is alive in them in many ways.

 

[ebia]

Just as a baby cries as the first sign of life, so people speak in tongues when they are born again, "born of the Spirit" (John 3:8, Acts 2:4, 33; 10:44-48; Romans 8:15-16). Then, and only then are you able to understand spiritual things: "as it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him.. For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God." (1 Cor. 2:9, 11) "the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Romans 8:7-9) Pseudo-christianity ... they talk about Christ but are not taught by him, by His Spirit, so it results in disappointment for people like you that go to them. Jesus humbly asks that you visit people that are like the church he set up, he is confirming he is alive in them in many ways.

You seem to be saying those who don't talk gibberish (the tongues in acts 2 are languages understood by the people present) are not really Christians.

 

[StormHawk]

You seem to be saying those who don't talk gibberish (the tongues in acts 2 are languages understood by the people present) are not really Christians.

Acts 2 tongues was recognised because bi-lingual Jews from all over the known World were present. This is very unusual, unique even.
Later in Acts people still spoke in tongues, even though there was no-one else there except apostles who were trying to preach to them.

Tongues never was for preaching to people, it is talking to God, "praying in the Spirit" - see 1 Cor. 14:2, 4, 14-18.

"he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: ..."


Also "the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." (Romans 8:26)
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