Most of revelation is the last few years just before Christ's return, and 1000 years and eternity after. Only the first few chapters and chapter 12 are historic.
Paul teaches both a physical resurrection later and each time a person in Christ physically dies. Which version of Paul is correct? Even your verse 52, states they will be raised incorruptible. Meaning they have been already changed. They will be raised, from where? Paradise. Except Paradise is where those alive will be changed and end up as well. That is the point, most refuse to see, because they have been taught wrong. The church will be in Paradise for the last 1000 years. Those amil are right in one thing, it will just be a day for them, if they are in Paradise. I doubt God will judge them for getting that time wrong. Some amil are wrong in other doctrine and theology though, so only God knows what will happen to them.Souls go to be with the Lord but it is taught in the bible that there is a physical resurrection of the body of those in Christ first, then 1000 years, then everyone else to stand judgement. What John saw in Revelation 6 after the 5th seal was not bodies but souls. He specified that they were souls so he knew by sight that there was something different about them, and they were clamoring for justice to be done and for their murders to be avenged, they were not overjoyed and happy, they were missing SOMETHING. There were tears to be wiped away, grief to be comforted, anger to be quenched. God told them to be patient.
So while departing from the body is better than living on earth, we are with the Lord, and we won't be in sin any longer, but we are not whole, we will be waiting for the redemption of our bodies before we are whole, before the Lord wipes away all tears and before there will never be sorrow or grief again. That all comes with the resurrection and is fulfilled completely with the new earth.
Now, note that in Revelation 7 there are a bunch of new people in heaven and John does NOT call these souls, just a great multitude. I believe this is the saints, both those who were dead in Christ, and those still alive at the time of the rapture after the 6th seal, note the change in tone between the disembodied souls.... and the redeemed which I believe have been resurrected in a body and are whole.
Revelation 6:9-11
These souls complain, they ask God for something they need, they are not whole, they are not fulfilled and full of joy, they have an unfulfilled need.
Now compare with Revelation 7:9-12
What a tone change! They go from complaint to praise, something happened to fulfill them to where they didn't have an unfulfilled need anymore. I believe having a body is the difference.
So this is not something that happens immediately after your death, but something we wait for, and will happen to all of us all at once.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
The church will be in Paradise for the last 1000 years. Those amil are right in one thing, it will just be a day for them, if they are in Paradise. I doubt God will judge them for getting that time wrong. Some amil are wrong in other doctrine and theology though, so only God knows what will happen to them.
2 Corinthians 5:1-9. But John points out in the opening of the 5th seal, the only change is the robe of white. There is a body, but no robe of covering. John is not going to separate out a special group who gets a robe from the billions of saints of all time. All of Adam in Christ are under the alter. They all come under the Atonement. The Cross brought those before Christ since Adam, together with all who have died in Christ during the last 1990 years. It is a single group. The Rapture of Paul is the completion, because those living die, are changed in mid air, not naturally, because time is over for the church. The church is complete at the 6th seal. Flesh and blood can not enter Paradise. In seal 5, those in Paradise get their Glorified body. The spirit like a white robe is joined back with the incorruptible body. John's 5th and 6th seal covers both a resurrection and rapture. But they are not named. There is no contradiction to Paul's teachings. But right before it happens the wise virgins will comprehend both John and Paul were talking about the same event. They will be prepared.I'm not sure where you're getting that Paul teaches individuals at their time of death undergo a physical resurrection, I only know that Paul taught that we would have a physical resurrection when Jesus comes back.
Why do you continue to ignore the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, which proves the book is not in chronological order?
2 Corinthians 5:1-9. But John points out in the opening of the 5th seal, the only change is the robe of white. There is a body, but no robe of covering. John is not going to separate out a special group who gets a robe from the billions of saints of all time. All of Adam in Christ are under the alter. They all come under the Atonement. The Cross brought those before Christ since Adam, together with all who have died in Christ during the last 1990 years. It is a single group. The Rapture of Paul is the completion, because those living die, are changed in mid air, not naturally, because time is over for the church. The church is complete at the 6th seal. Flesh and blood can not enter Paradise. In seal 5, those in Paradise get their Glorified body. The spirit like a white robe is joined back with the incorruptible body. John's 5th and 6th seal covers both a resurrection and rapture. But they are not named. There is no contradiction to Paul's teachings. But right before it happens the wise virgins will comprehend both John and Paul were talking about the same event. They will be prepared.
I am not going to take Revelation 11 out of context. Are you?
Based on Revelation 10:7, something special happens at the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
In Revelation 11:15 it is the time the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever". How long is "forever"?
Shortly after we find the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others.
This is one of several visions of the Second Coming of Christ, found in the Book of Revolution.
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Since 1000 years is an undetermined amount of time, forever would be symbolic for exactly 1000 years.Based on Revelation 10:7, something special happens at the sounding of the 7th trumpet.
In Revelation 11:15 it is the time the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever". How long is "forever"?
Shortly after we find the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others.
This is one of several visions of the Second Coming of Christ, found in the Book of Revolution.
Since 1000 years is an undetermined amount of time, forever would be symbolic for exactly 1000 years.
Why do you constantly promote the final Judgment and the reign of King Jesus, before the Seven Bowls are over?Why do you continue to ignore the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, which proves the book is not in chronological order?
Why do you constantly promote the final Judgment and the reign of King Jesus, before the Seven Bowls are over?
It is obvious that Revelation 11:15 is a Proclamation of what will happen after the rest of Revelation up to Rev 19:11, has taken place.
You just cannot squeeze in the Judgments and punishments at that point. Revelation 20:11-15 is clear, tall that happens AFTER the Millennium.
Why do you constantly promote the final Judgment and the reign of King Jesus, before the Seven Bowls are over?
It is obvious that Revelation 11:15 is a Proclamation of what will happen after the rest of Revelation up to Rev 19:11, has taken place.
You just cannot squeeze in the Judgments and punishments at that point. Revelation 20:11-15 is clear, all that happens AFTER the Millennium.
The only way you can make your viewpoint work is by ignoring what Paul said about the "flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and what Paul said about the judgment of the living, and the dead at His appearing in 2 Timothy 4:1.
That is why I constantly show the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
This is confirmed by Christ coming as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16.
Ignore all of those passages and maybe you can get somebody to believe the book is in chronological order.
Once again I disprove your wrong belief of 2 Thess 1:6-10, being a Return prophecy. It is a Sixth Seal prophecy, proved by verse 10; where only His faithful people see Him.The only way you can make your viewpoint work is by ignoring what Paul said about the "flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and what Paul said about the judgment of the living, and the dead at His appearing in 2 Timothy 4:1.
Rev 16:15 is in parenthesis, [brackets] in my RE Bible. Jesus does NOT Return unexpectedly.What if Revelation 16:15 was an inside joke between John and Paul? God does have a sense of humor.
The only way you can make your viewpoint work is by ignoring what Paul said about the "flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and what Paul said about the judgment of the living, and the dead at His appearing in 2 Timothy 4:1.
That is why I constantly show the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
This is confirmed by Christ coming as a thief at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16.
Ignore all of those passages and maybe you can get somebody to believe the book is in chronological order.
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Why do you constantly promote the final Judgment and the reign of King Jesus, before the Seven Bowls are over?
It is obvious that Revelation 11:15 is a Proclamation of what will happen after the rest of Revelation up to Rev 19:11, has taken place.
You just cannot squeeze in the Judgments and punishments at that point. Revelation 20:11-15 is clear, all that happens AFTER the Millennium.
We are looking at symbolic parallels.
Symbols have a basic meaning, they must refer to some kind of actual situation.We are looking at symbolic parallels.
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