2 years ago, Canada announced ban on 1,500 types of 'assault-style' firearms

[jacks]

"Canada announces ban on 1,500 types of 'assault-style' firearms."

Of course this is only to its own citizens. It still sells a variety of true assault rifles, 105 millimeter cannons, 30 millimeter chain gun, etc. to other nations. Most notably to Saudi Arabia and Russia. This is nothing compared to the U.S. however who sells more military weapons than any other country in the world. (Tanks, fighter planes, cannons, bombs, grenades, missiles, etc. You want em, we got em.) Though I'm sure none of these weapons would be used to harm innocent people...

 

[RDKirk]

Take away the guns like Canada is doing and the amount of gun deaths will drop. Like in all the other countries who have done it.

If the people outside your house have fewer guns you risk of and armed mob invading your house drops.

Nope. I'm in just as much danger from a young man with a knife or just his fists as I am with him carrying a gun. He doesn't need a gun to do his dirty work. A solid blow to an old man's head would kill him just as dead.

Then you can also go to town on mental health, poverty, inequality, poor health care, legal drug addiction and education. Who knows, America might become less of a third world nation with a massive army in a decade or two.

You've got it backwards. Make the country safe first, and then there will be no argument against guns.

That's what you get wrong about all the other countries...they were generally safe before they passed their gun laws.

 

[Mike from NJ]

Interesting that you would say that, because Democratic leadership in Congress does not agree with your thinking.

Schumer seems to believe that school safety is, indeed, a zero-sum game, and that a bill that might save only a few wouldn't be good enough.

Chuck Schumer Blocks School Safety Bill Named After Parkland Victims (newsweek.com)

Have you read the bill? S.111 - Luke and Alex School Safety Act of 2021
It's nothing. It's as useless as "We offer our thoughts and prayers." All it does is establish a clearinghouse to gather information to put on a website to see what other schools and parents are doing to keep their kids safe. It doesn't do put guards in schools or order background checks for gun buyers. It doesn't regulate the sale of these weapons at gun shows. It does jack and squat regarding the source of the problem. There is nothing that a parent can read on a website that would save kids from a gunman carrying an AK.

All the bill does is kick the can down the road, delay any actually useful bills, and makes people think they are doing something when children continue to die.

I've said this on another thread, but it bears repeating:

Two things are not going to happen in my lifetime:

1. There will be no law banning guns or even severely restricting them.

Sadly, I agree on the first part; though I disagree on the second. The US did have an assault weapons ban, and while the current representatives in Congress seem unwilling to re-enact it at this time, that could very well change.

Too many people continue to want them, and they're serious about that.

As I noted in a response to another poster above, there are those gun users who are for an assault weapons ban but against an overall gun ban. They may be the key in restricting assault weapons.

2. The 400,000,000+ guns currently in circulation are not going to magically disappear.

Agreed, though we can reduce that number.

What could begin to happen in my lifetime is that we can change the social zeitgeist regarding guns the way it's being changed regarding smoking, racism, and other issues. We could begin restructuring society so that Americans don't feel such a need to kill each other or fear being killed by each other.

Without that happening first (or at least getting to the point that it's generally anticipated), those two things I mentioned are not going to happen. Banning guns is not worth talking about with any more seriousness than a Tom and Jerry cartoon, until we first start talking about making basic changes in American culture.

Here is an interesting video about vibrant Swiss gun culture. I'm not embedding it because there is a bit of foul language.

youtube.com/watch?v=EkuMLId8SqE

Thank you. I am not optimistic such a change will come quickly. I can watch videos where I am currently so will have to check it out later.

 

[TLK Valentine]

A OK.. won't stop anything and.. there are will always be so many ways to get guns. Sad but true. It won't stop the problem. You just find another way to do it. So maybe try to figure out why they feel they have to or what ever.

To do that, we need people who understand and care about "feelings."

 

[Occams Barber]

Guns are also a great way to protect oneself from bad guys who are bigger, or armed with knives or clubs, or more numerous. That's why police and personal security companies around the world--even in countries with tight gun laws--carry guns themselves.

Apart from Northern Ireland Police and a limited number of specialist firearm officers (e.g. SWAT type Teams), UK police do not carry guns. The Northern Ireland situation dates back to the IRA 'troubles'.

Police use of firearms in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

OB

 

[Aldebaran]

1,500 types of assault weapons? Sounds like they're opening the door to label just about anything an assault weapon. There certainly aren't that many firearms that could be labeled that way. Not even close, no matter how liberal a definition is applied.
With a number like 1,500, it could easily include all guns, plus other devices that aren't firearms. After all, the term is assault "weapons", not assault "rifles".

 

[jacks]

1,500 types of assault weapons? Sounds like they're opening the door to label just about anything an assault weapon. There certainly aren't that many firearms that could be labeled that way. Not even close, no matter how liberal a definition is applied.
With a number like 1,500, it could easily include all guns, plus other devices that aren't firearms. After all, the term is assault "weapons", not assault "rifles".

HERE is the list. It is strange they name all the possible weapons. I think it is because nobody really can define "Assault style weapon." Basically means "Scary looking gun". It's like pornography you can't define it, but you know it when you see it.
Also by having a list; what stops manufactures from just renaming weapons?

 

[Mike from NJ]

1,500 types of assault weapons? Sounds like they're opening the door to label just about anything an assault weapon. There certainly aren't that many firearms that could be labeled that way. Not even close, no matter how liberal a definition is applied.
With a number like 1,500, it could easily include all guns, plus other devices that aren't firearms. After all, the term is assault "weapons", not assault "rifles".

There's no need to guess. You can see the full list here

It lists several categories, and then gives specific examples below each category. Here are the categories it list:

Item 83:
SG-550 rifle
SG-551 carbine
(including SAN Swiss Arms)

Item 87:
M-16 rifle
AR-10 rifle
AR-15 rifle
M4 carbine

Item 88:
Ruger Mimi-14

Item 89:
US Rifle M-14

Item 90:
Vz58 rifle

Item 91:
Robinson Armament XCR rifle

Item 92:
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbine
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 pistol

Item 93:
Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine

Item 94:
SIG Saucer SIG MCX carbine
SIG Saucer SIG MCX pistol
SIG Saucer SIG MPX carbine
SIG Saucer SIG MPX pistol

Item 95:
Any firearm with a bore diameter of 20mm or greater -- other than one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices

Item 96:
Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules -- other than one referred to ones in some items already listed
___

You'll surely know better than I ever would what those gun types are what this means.

 

[loveofourlord]

Cars work knives work just about anything works.

ALOT easier to outrun a knife, and a car has a limited use.

 

[loveofourlord]

A OK.. won't stop anything and.. there are will always be so many ways to get guns. Sad but true. It won't stop the problem. You just find another way to do it. So maybe try to figure out why they feel they have to or what ever.

Funny how Canada has far less gun deaths then the US per capita yet already has higher limits. over 8X's as many deaths. Many other countries have gotten rid of guns or regulated them and cut down on deaths imensly.

 

[RDKirk]

ALOT easier to outrun a knife,

Not necessarily. Young men are very quick.

Old people and women in heels, not so quick.

 

[RDKirk]

Apart from Northern Ireland Police and a limited number of specialist firearm officers (e.g. SWAT type Teams), UK police do not carry guns. The Northern Ireland situation dates back to the IRA 'troubles'.

Police use of firearms in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
OB

Interesting that you're in Australia...but you couldn't use Australia as your example.

In nineteen countries or territories, the police do not carry firearms unless the situation is expected to merit it: Bhutan, Botswana, Cook Islands, Fiji, Iceland, Ireland, Kiribati, Malawi, Marshall Islands, Nauru, New Zealand, Niue, Norway, Samoa, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu, the United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland), South Korea, Vanuatu and the U.S. Virgin Islands. These countries exhibit gun-homicide rates markedly lower on average than countries with armed police forces. Their police forces commonly adopt a philosophy of policing by consent.

-- Wikipedia

"Policing by consent" is the big factor, and it requires a very special kind of relationship between citizens and police.

 

[ottawak]

Not necessarily. Young men are very quick.

Old people and women in heels, not so quick.

But did you ever hear of a drive-by knifing where innocent bystanders were killed?

 

[tall73]

But nowhere near as efficiently or quickly.

ALOT easier to outrun a knife, and a car has a limited use.

Unfortunately that is not always true.

Vehicle:

Nice
2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 86
Injuries 434

Ürümqi SUV attacks, also using explosives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2014_Ürümqi_attack
Deaths 39
Injuries 90+

Hebei tractor rampage
2010 Hebei tractor rampage - Wikipedia
Deaths 17
Injuries 20+

Barcelona
2017 Barcelona attacks - Wikipedia
Deaths 15
Injuries 131

Berlin Christmas Market
2016 Berlin truck attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 12
Injuries 56

Toronto van incel attack
Toronto van attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 10
Injuries 16

New York Truck Attack
2017 New York City truck attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 8
Injuries 12

Waukesha Christmas Parade Attack
Waukesha Christmas parade attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 6
Injuries 62

Knife:

Sogan colliery attack
At least 50 reported to have died in attack on coalmine in Xinjiang in September
Terrorism in China - Wikipedia
Deaths 50

Kunming attack
2014 Kunming attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 31
Injuries 43

Sagamihara stabbings
Sagamihara stabbings - Wikipedia
Deaths 19
Injuries 26

Nafang Market Rampage stabbings
Huang Guozhen - Wikipedia
Deaths 16
Injuries 2

 

[RDKirk]

But did you ever hear of a drive-by knifing where innocent bystanders were killed?

I don't live in a neighborhood where I'm afraid of a drive-by shooting. You problem don't, either. But a knife mugging is just as possible as a gun mugging in almost any parking lot in America.

And this happened:
Japan knife attack: 19 killed at care centre in Sagamihara - BBC News

 

[tall73]

But did you ever hear of a drive-by knifing where innocent bystanders were killed?

If we are comparing orchestrated attack to orchestrated attack, some knife attacks are quite deadly, if planned. Fortunately most don't plan that well.

 

[RDKirk]

It comes down to the planning. Fortunately, most are bad at planning. Unfortunately for the people in this attack this man was good at planning, and picked the most vulnerable.

It doesn't appear certain to me that the school was his planned target. He crashed his vehicle near the school--that was unplanned--and he found the door unlocked--that was also unplanned.

 

[tall73]

It doesn't appear certain to me that the school was his planned target. He crashed his vehicle near the school--that was unplanned--and he found the door unlocked--that was also unplanned.

I can agree with that. And sorry, started editing while you were responding.

The Buffalo shooting was rather planned, and still killed less than the knife incident you posted, or some of the others listed.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Unfortunately that is not always true.

Vehicle:

Nice
2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 86
Injuries 434

Ürümqi SUV attacks, also using explosives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2014_Ürümqi_attack
Deaths 39
Injuries 90+

Hebei tractor rampage
2010 Hebei tractor rampage - Wikipedia
Deaths 17
Injuries 20+

Barcelona
2017 Barcelona attacks - Wikipedia
Deaths 15
Injuries 131

Berlin Christmas Market
2016 Berlin truck attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 12
Injuries 56

Toronto van incel attack
Toronto van attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 10
Injuries 16

New York Truck Attack
2017 New York City truck attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 8
Injuries 12

Waukesha Christmas Parade Attack
Waukesha Christmas parade attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 6
Injuries 62

Knife:

Sogan colliery attack
At least 50 reported to have died in attack on coalmine in Xinjiang in September
Terrorism in China - Wikipedia
Deaths 50

Kunming attack
2014 Kunming attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 31
Injuries 43

Sagamihara stabbings
Sagamihara stabbings - Wikipedia
Deaths 19
Injuries 26

Nafang Market Rampage stabbings
Huang Guozhen - Wikipedia
Deaths 16
Injuries 2

A list of attacks over more than a decade, some of which involved bombs, all of which are surpassed each and every year with the number of people killed in the US by guns.

If cars, knives or anything else was more effective at killing large numbers of people, armies the world over would use them.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Knife:

Sogan colliery attack
At least 50 reported to have died in attack on coalmine in Xinjiang in September
Terrorism in China - Wikipedia
Deaths 50

Kunming attack
2014 Kunming attack - Wikipedia
Deaths 31
Injuries 43

Both those attacks involved large groups of terrorists, so not exactly comparable to a single gunman. The fact that they only killed the number they did is probably more supportive of gun controls than anything.